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Cubs sign Dioner Navarro

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:30 PM

Cubs sign Dioner Navarro 


New backup catcher - I guess better than Clevenger
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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:47 PM

Re: Cubs sign Dioner Navarro 


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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:07 PM

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cubsfanforlife22 wrote: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...er-navarro.html

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/
Thanks for the link. It is nice when someone learns information and posts where he heard/read it from.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:54 PM

Re: Cubs sign Dioner Navarro 


Does 1 year at 1.75 million seem fair market value for a backup catcher ?

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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:09 PM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
cubsfanforlife22 wrote: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...er-navarro.html

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/
Thanks for the link. It is nice when someone learns information and posts where he heard/read it from.
No worries. I will always post them from now on. If you ask.
#23 OF CHICAGO SPORTS:
         23 - SANDBERG
         23 - JORDAN
         23 - HESTER
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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:59 PM

Re: Cubs sign Dioner Navarro 



cubsfanforlife22 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
cubsfanforlife22 wrote: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...er-navarro.html

http://muskat.mlblogs.com/
Thanks for the link. It is nice when someone learns information and posts where he heard/read it from.
No worries. I will always post them from now on. If you ask.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:54 PM

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I don't really understand this signing.  I thought Castillo was ready to be a starter and Clevenger is good enough to be a backup?  Maybe Dale and the gang don't like Castillo's pitch calling ability and he's not going to get the gig.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:23 PM

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doughboy981 wrote: I don't really understand this signing.  I thought Castillo was ready to be a starter and Clevenger is good enough to be a backup?  Maybe Dale and the gang don't like Castillo's pitch calling ability and he's not going to get the gig.

Clevenger was just plain bad last year.  He didn't earn anything.  Nothing wrong with some competition.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:53 PM

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SPOONER wrote:
doughboy981 wrote: I don't really understand this signing.  I thought Castillo was ready to be a starter and Clevenger is good enough to be a backup?  Maybe Dale and the gang don't like Castillo's pitch calling ability and he's not going to get the gig.

Clevenger was just plain bad last year.  He didn't earn anything.  Nothing wrong with some competition.
If you recall, Clevenger was actually good last year...for a very short period of time. .500 BA for 27 plate appearances in March - May. 1.250 OPS. eek

Then, he sprained his oblique...and never recovered. Sure, he rejoined the team. But the guy that showed up looked nothing like the guy from before the injury.

Navarro sounds like decent insurance. If he continues to put up numbers like he did in 2012, he could even challenge for more playing time.

Consider that Navarro is a switch hitter who put up a .750 OPS last year against both righties and lefties.

Castillo flat out crushed lefties (.476 BA, 1.199 OPS), but struggled against righties (.195 BA, .609 OPS). 

They can take advantage of these splits in a platoon situation if they want.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:33 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:

Does 1 year at 1.75 million seem fair market value for a backup catcher ?


You're really grasping at anything now.  That's a pretty fair deal, to say the least, considering that Boston recently signed backup catcher David Ross to a two-year, $6.2 million contract.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:36 PM

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27 PAs early in the year?  Was that sarcasm?  He was the same guy.  He was just regressing to the mean.

That said, he's not going anywhere.  He will have a shot to show what he can do.  Navarro was a minor signing and probably not even worth the scrutiny of this thread.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 10:36 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:

Does 1 year at 1.75 million seem fair market value for a backup catcher ?


You're really grasping at anything now.  That's a pretty fair deal, to say the least, considering that Boston recently signed backup catcher David Ross to a two-year, $6.2 million contract.
$1.75M seems kind of steep for a guy who spent pretty much all of 2012 in AAA and hasn't posted an OPS above .600 since 2008.  It's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but I don't see how this guy is any better than Clevenger as a backup. 

Based on Navarro's stats since 2008, he really shouldn't be getting anything more than a minor league invite without the guaranteed cash.  Who knows, maybe that's what it will end up being once announced.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:45 AM

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SPOONER wrote: 27 PAs early in the year?  Was that sarcasm?  He was the same guy.  He was just regressing to the mean.

That said, he's not going anywhere.  He will have a shot to show what he can do.  Navarro was a minor signing and probably not even worth the scrutiny of this thread.
Actually not sarcasm, although I agree it is a very small sample size. Clevenger put up good numbers in Spring training, earned a shot and came out on fire. Then, he hurt himself, went on the DL and was not the same when he returned.

Bob Brenly (former catcher himself) commented how that injury can impact your swing.

Regression to the mean? Yes, I'm sure that is most of it; he wasn't going to go on to a career of .500 BA. But he fell to hitting like .120 or some nonsense other than the hot start, and I don't think that was only because he 'regressed'. My guess is .225 -.250 is where he normally would hit, with little power. Just a guy, but not as bad as he showed in 2012 after the injury.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:25 AM

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SPOONER wrote: 27 PAs early in the year?  Was that sarcasm?  He was the same guy.  He was just regressing to the mean.

That said, he's not going anywhere.  He will have a shot to show what he can do.  Navarro was a minor signing and probably not even worth the scrutiny of this thread.
Clevenger may not be on the 40 man roster when it has to be submitted on 11/20. I could see a team taking him in the rule V draft.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:15 AM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:

Does 1 year at 1.75 million seem fair market value for a backup catcher ?


You're really grasping at anything now.  That's a pretty fair deal, to say the least, considering that Boston recently signed backup catcher David Ross to a two-year, $6.2 million contract.
I did not say it was a good or bad deal - just asking a question

He can earn an additional 250k in bonuses
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:57 AM

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Navarro is only 28 (seems like he's been around forever) and GMs can't seem to get his 2008 season out of their head.  I think he was a pretty highly regarded prospect at one time as well.  For the money, it seems like a good risk to take to add a little competition and maybe give a guy who's trying to prove himself a chance to do so.  Guys like Navarro and Baker should be hungry (for money) to prove themselves and that's gotta be good.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:36 PM

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zighawk73 wrote: Navarro is only 28 (seems like he's been around forever) and GMs can't seem to get his 2008 season out of their head.  I think he was a pretty highly regarded prospect at one time as well.  For the money, it seems like a good risk to take to add a little competition and maybe give a guy who's trying to prove himself a chance to do so.  Guys like Navarro and Baker should be hungry (for money) to prove themselves and that's gotta be good.
Also he's a good defensive catcher and can work with Castillo in that area.  Not saying this is an exciting signing but nothing to be upset over either.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:53 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: Navarro is only 28 (seems like he's been around forever) and GMs can't seem to get his 2008 season out of their head.  I think he was a pretty highly regarded prospect at one time as well.  For the money, it seems like a good risk to take to add a little competition and maybe give a guy who's trying to prove himself a chance to do so.  Guys like Navarro and Baker should be hungry (for money) to prove themselves and that's gotta be good.
Also he's a good defensive catcher and can work with Castillo in that area.  Not saying this is an exciting signing but nothing to be upset over either.
From what I have read he is viewed as a bad defensive catcher. He is a backup C and I don't think anyone is upset.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:56 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: Navarro is only 28 (seems like he's been around forever) and GMs can't seem to get his 2008 season out of their head.  I think he was a pretty highly regarded prospect at one time as well.  For the money, it seems like a good risk to take to add a little competition and maybe give a guy who's trying to prove himself a chance to do so.  Guys like Navarro and Baker should be hungry (for money) to prove themselves and that's gotta be good.
Also he's a good defensive catcher and can work with Castillo in that area.  Not saying this is an exciting signing but nothing to be upset over either.
From what I have read he is viewed as a bad defensive catcher. He is a backup C and I don't think anyone is upset.
Positive defensive WAR over the past five seasons.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 2:11 PM

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KatieCubFan wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
KatieCubFan wrote:
zighawk73 wrote: Navarro is only 28 (seems like he's been around forever) and GMs can't seem to get his 2008 season out of their head.  I think he was a pretty highly regarded prospect at one time as well.  For the money, it seems like a good risk to take to add a little competition and maybe give a guy who's trying to prove himself a chance to do so.  Guys like Navarro and Baker should be hungry (for money) to prove themselves and that's gotta be good.
Also he's a good defensive catcher and can work with Castillo in that area.  Not saying this is an exciting signing but nothing to be upset over either.
From what I have read he is viewed as a bad defensive catcher. He is a backup C and I don't think anyone is upset.
Positive defensive WAR over the past five seasons.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c...efense-rankings
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