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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:28 PM

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:31 PM

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How many actually believe the Cubs will buy high on any starting pitcher this off-season ?
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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:45 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: How many actually believe the Cubs will buy high on any starting pitcher this off-season ?
Never say never or always.  Especially if we are talking pitching.  You can never have enough and pitchers don't block prospects like position players do.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to give Sanchez 6/90.  I say try because I think he will get more before it's all said and done.  I'm pretty sure the FO understands the argument you've been making for months about having the money and not getting handcuffed by one or maybe two big contracts, and I'm sure they'd consider it as long as the bidding doesn't get out of hand.  I just think the fact we are rebuilding and the competition for the quality starters will drive the price out of the range the Cubs are willing to pay.  In the end, if the FO thinks Sanchez is a piece they would like to have for the long run then they would go for it.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:54 PM

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zighawk73 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: How many actually believe the Cubs will buy high on any starting pitcher this off-season ?
Never say never or always.  Especially if we are talking pitching.  You can never have enough and pitchers don't block prospects like position players do.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to give Sanchez 6/90.  I say try because I think he will get more before it's all said and done.  I'm pretty sure the FO understands the argument you've been making for months about having the money and not getting handcuffed by one or maybe two big contracts, and I'm sure they'd consider it as long as the bidding doesn't get out of hand.  I just think the fact we are rebuilding and the competition for the quality starters will drive the price out of the range the Cubs are willing to pay.  In the end, if the FO thinks Sanchez is a piece they would like to have for the long run then they would go for it.
So is your answer a yes they will sign Sanchez or a no but they will give it a try but rationalize that they were not getting a good value.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:45 PM

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If the Cubs are going to buy high on a player this year it will be Sanchez.  He fits as far as age, giving that he will be in his prime years as the Cubs move forward.  However, if the term is 6 years, I would hope they have reservations about signing him.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:14 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
zighawk73 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: How many actually believe the Cubs will buy high on any starting pitcher this off-season ?
Never say never or always.  Especially if we are talking pitching.  You can never have enough and pitchers don't block prospects like position players do.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to give Sanchez 6/90.  I say try because I think he will get more before it's all said and done.  I'm pretty sure the FO understands the argument you've been making for months about having the money and not getting handcuffed by one or maybe two big contracts, and I'm sure they'd consider it as long as the bidding doesn't get out of hand.  I just think the fact we are rebuilding and the competition for the quality starters will drive the price out of the range the Cubs are willing to pay.  In the end, if the FO thinks Sanchez is a piece they would like to have for the long run then they would go for it.
So is your answer a yes they will sign Sanchez or a no but they will give it a try but rationalize that they were not getting a good value.
What do you think the limit should be for a Sanchez contract? Do you think they should offer 7/120, 7/135? Is there any limit to what they should pay?
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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:48 AM

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absolutebadger wrote:
What do you think the limit should be for a Sanchez contract? Do you think they should offer 7/120, 7/135? Is there any limit to what they should pay?
I wouldn't go 7 years for any pitcher.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:45 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
zighawk73 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: How many actually believe the Cubs will buy high on any starting pitcher this off-season ?
Never say never or always.  Especially if we are talking pitching.  You can never have enough and pitchers don't block prospects like position players do.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to give Sanchez 6/90.  I say try because I think he will get more before it's all said and done.  I'm pretty sure the FO understands the argument you've been making for months about having the money and not getting handcuffed by one or maybe two big contracts, and I'm sure they'd consider it as long as the bidding doesn't get out of hand.  I just think the fact we are rebuilding and the competition for the quality starters will drive the price out of the range the Cubs are willing to pay.  In the end, if the FO thinks Sanchez is a piece they would like to have for the long run then they would go for it.
So is your answer a yes they will sign Sanchez or a no but they will give it a try but rationalize that they were not getting a good value.
Not sure what you are asking.  You are acting like Sanchez is a must have, the kind of guy you overpay to get to come to Chicago.  I don't think he is.  I think he is a guy who would make the rotation better, but let's not get blinded by the lack of selection.  He's gonna end up making ace money for #3 production.  That's not value.  If you can get him for 6/90, I think you should, but if the money gets bigger (which I think it will), well you gotta have a cutoff.  He's not gonna put this team into the playoffs and the money could be used to put more, solid players in the many holes the Cubs have as opposed to one, good player into just one of the holes.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:54 AM

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zighawk73 wrote:
Not sure what you are asking.  You are acting like Sanchez is a must have, the kind of guy you overpay to get to come to Chicago.  I don't think he is.  I think he is a guy who would make the rotation better, but let's not get blinded by the lack of selection.  He's gonna end up making ace money for #3 production.  That's not value.  If you can get him for 6/90, I think you should, but if the money gets bigger (which I think it will), well you gotta have a cutoff.  He's not gonna put this team into the playoffs and the money could be used to put more, solid players in the many holes the Cubs have as opposed to one, good player into just one of the holes.
I'm with you that 6/90 is the max you should offer. I differ that you need pitchers like him to make the playoffs. The team can afford a number of contracts like his that will be needed to field a competitive team and provide sustained success. I have not said Sanchez is a must have but there is a limited number of free agents that are at the right age / talent level that are currently available. By signing a player like him you fill a hole and then you move on to fill the holes at 3b & in the OF. This does not prevent you from making additional acquisitions.
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