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Blue Jays effectively buy Marlins

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Posted: 11/13/2012 6:36 PM

Blue Jays effectively buy Marlins 


Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle and Emilio Bonifacio heading to Toronto. Prospects involved in trade are still being sorted out.

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Posted: 11/13/2012 6:42 PM

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Toronto has been busy
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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:07 PM

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I think the city of Miami should sue the Marlins ownership for negotiating in bad faith the past few years.  What a freaking screw job.


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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:55 PM

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The ownership really needs a shrink if they thought Miami was a baseball town. New stadium- new unis (ugly but new)- new mgr- lots of new contracts = 30% of tickets unsold. Next season they probably go back to less than 2 million either way. They didn't need a new stadium, they needed a new city.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:13 PM

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Loria needs to have the team forcibly taken away from him. He is an embarrassment to the sport and a walking insult to the fanbase. He's an inpudent child with a multi-million dollar toy. If this trade goes through, Selig needs to start the calls to pressure Loria to sell. What a disgrace!

EDIT: Apparently, Fox Sports agrees: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/miami-marlins-j effrey-loria-blockbuster-deal-with-toronto-blue-ja ys-cannot-justify-trade-should-sell-team-111312

With regard to the Blue Jays... if this trade does, in fact, go through, they would have to be considered the team to beat in the A.L. East. As far as I can see it, they really don't have many holes left after this move. Perhaps they need a couple bullpen arms (what team doesn't), but they will be a healthy mix of power, speed, more than servicable defense, and have a dependable rotation... the Yankees better be nervous; the Orioles better retool in quick order; the Rays ought to make a 2-3 year plan to develop & regroup; and the Red Sox might as well commit to the rebuild that Cherington really wants to do, anyways.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”  ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: 11/14/2012 7:03 AM

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I posted that the Cubs should go after both Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle.  My suggested offer was way too low.  In deals like this, I think that Miami would have reached out to everyone to determine interest.

For fun, What are thoughts of doing this deal for Castro, Castillo and a minor league pitcher?

rizzo
barney
reyes
Bonifacio
Soriano
CF
DeJesus
Buck

Garza
Shark
Josh Johnson
Mark Buerhle
Scott Baker

This would make a run at 85 Win Team and the Playoffs, with the Minor League impact potential impact players intact.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:30 AM

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papa46 wrote: I posted that the Cubs should go after both Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle.  My suggested offer was way too low.  In deals like this, I think that Miami would have reached out to everyone to determine interest.

For fun, What are thoughts of doing this deal for Castro, Castillo and a minor league pitcher?

rizzo
barney
reyes
Bonifacio
Soriano
CF
DeJesus
Buck

Garza
Shark
Josh Johnson
Mark Buerhle
Scott Baker

This would make a run at 85 Win Team and the Playoffs, with the Minor League impact potential impact players intact.

I know this was just for fun but that doesn't measure up to what the Blue Jays are alledgedly sending so the fun stops there.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 9:31 AM

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So much for buying a championship....
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Posted: 11/14/2012 3:15 PM

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mhuml32 wrote: I think the city of Miami should sue the Marlins ownership for negotiating in bad faith the past few years.  What a freaking screw job.
i don't think Loria will escape litigation. fraud, misrepresentation, and detrimental reliance are all possible causes of action. the city may actually find itself as a defendant. while it's not necessarily the city's fault, a lot of times in these cases it's an easier target. a verdict against the city could provoke it to sue loria in an indemnification action to be reimbursed.

stay tuned because i think loria really has upset some people. while this move probably was a good baseball move, i think its legal implications are real and will be explored.

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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:52 PM

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Can we get Ricky Nolasco back? He has 1 yr left on his deal and could get you some prospects at the deadline or maybe he pitches better and is someone you can count on.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:28 AM

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doughboy981 wrote: Can we get Ricky Nolasco back? He has 1 yr left on his deal and could get you some prospects at the deadline or maybe he pitches better and is someone you can count on.
We could, but it will take prospects to get him, so you have to see if the prospects you get back are better than those you give up...
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:43 PM

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I'm surprised the Theo backers are praising this move. Both Miami and Boston rid their bad contracts in 1 big move. Theo in year 2 still can't move Soriano or Marmol to complete his rebuild process. Had to pay Zambrano's / Soto's / Dempster's / Byrd's contracts to dump the players. Now Miami & Boston can reload quicker than the slower process the Cubs are taking.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:17 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: I'm surprised the Theo backers are praising this move. Both Miami and Boston rid their bad contracts in 1 big move. Theo in year 2 still can't move Soriano or Marmol to complete his rebuild process. Had to pay Zambrano's / Soto's / Dempster's / Byrd's contracts to dump the players. Now Miami & Boston can reload quicker than the slower process the Cubs are taking.
do you know what you are talking about?  The approach the Cubs took/are taking is completely different than Miami and Boston took

The Cubs would rather pay more to get a better prospect.

Miami and Boston took less prospects back in order for the other teams to pay more.

Another big difference is Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes, and Adrian Gonzalez are all-stars.  Meanwhile, Zambrano got regulated to the bullpen, Soto may be released by Texas, and Byrd got suspended and was hitting .100.  What in the world did you expect the Cubs would get for those guys? 

Theo had a deal for Marmol in place for Dan Haren and pulled out of it, so that part is just wrong.  Marmol is still expected to be traded this offseason and Soriano has a shot. 

Do you even believe half the stuff you say?
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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:28 PM

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ARAMIS13 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: I'm surprised the Theo backers are praising this move. Both Miami and Boston rid their bad contracts in 1 big move. Theo in year 2 still can't move Soriano or Marmol to complete his rebuild process. Had to pay Zambrano's / Soto's / Dempster's / Byrd's contracts to dump the players. Now Miami & Boston can reload quicker than the slower process the Cubs are taking.
do you know what you are talking about?  The approach the Cubs took/are taking is completely different than Miami and Boston took

The Cubs would rather pay more to get a better prospect.

Miami and Boston took less prospects back in order for the other teams to pay more.

Another big difference is Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes, and Adrian Gonzalez are all-stars.  Meanwhile, Zambrano got regulated to the bullpen, Soto may be released by Texas, and Byrd got suspended and was hitting .100.  What in the world did you expect the Cubs would get for those guys? 

Theo had a deal for Marmol in place for Dan Haren and pulled out of it, so that part is just wrong.  Marmol is still expected to be traded this offseason and Soriano has a shot. 

Do you even believe half the stuff you say?
It shows you can move big contracts if you want to rebuild quickly.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:10 PM

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ARAMIS13 wrote:
do you know what you are talking about? 

This question did not need to be asked.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:18 PM

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cubs2007 wrote:
It shows you can move big contracts if you want to rebuild quickly.
Sell crazy somewhere else. No one here is buying. Apples and oranges. Totally apples and oranges.

Would you have been willing to ship off Samardzija and Castro as 'sweetener' in order to get teams to take your expensive guys? That's closer to what Boston did. And you are upset because they haven't moved Soriano yet? rolleyes He is the same guy you are begging them to sign (BJ Upton). Ok, Soriano's legs are gone, like Upton's will be in a couple years. But Soriano hit 30 more RBI and had a 70 point higher OPS in 2012 than Upton. Upton is Soriano-lite.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 9:04 AM

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BJ Upton makes me want to puke, let him be somebody else's problem. 

his OBP last year was .298 and if I remember correctly he's been benched a few times for not running hard.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 9:07 AM

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Toronto traded Vernon Wells whose contract was worse than Soriano's.

The Cubs could have tried trading their big contracts to either save money or acquire prospects.

The point is deals are being made that allow teams to quickly rebuild and change the direction of the team at a much faster pace than what the Cubs front office is doing.

The front office has been very conservative and wanting to avoid risk so far.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:20 AM

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cubs2007 wrote: 

The point is deals are being made that allow teams to quickly rebuild and change the direction of the team at a much faster pace than what the Cubs front office is doing.

IT HAS BEEN ONE YEAR SINCE THEO WAS HIRED.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:48 AM

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cubsfanforlife22 wrote:
cubs2007 wrote: 

The point is deals are being made that allow teams to quickly rebuild and change the direction of the team at a much faster pace than what the Cubs front office is doing.

IT HAS BEEN ONE YEAR SINCE THEO WAS HIRED.
This is the second off-season. Based on the type of signings / trades I think he is taking a very conservative approach. I just don't want the excuse that it takes years to rebuild when other teams show you can move your bad contracts in 1 deal.
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