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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:55 PM

Prospect timetable 


From Baseball Prospectus -

1. OF Albert Almora (2016)
2. SS Javier Baez (2015)
3. OF Jorge Soler (2015)
4. RHP Arodys Vizcaino (2011)
5. 1B Dan Vogelbach (2016)
6. OF Brett Jackson (blank)
7. RHP Pierce Johnson (2015)
8. RHP Duane Underwood (2017)
9. 3B Christian Villanueva (2014)
10. RHP Dillon Maples (2017)

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Posted: 11/7/2012 6:55 PM

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Much more important than the timetable is that the list is their top 10 prospects in order.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 8:59 AM

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RAMBLE wrote: Much more important than the timetable is that the list is their top 10 prospects in order.

I thought the more important note was that you have 2 more years before you hope to have some impact players from the minors.

Does this mean 2-3 more years of signing and trading for stop gap solutions ?
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:33 AM

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Dan Vogelbach is going to be a great hitter in the league I think, that dude can rake a baseball.  Saying that I don't think he'll be raking any baseballs with us and I fully expect him to be part of some trade at some point to get a pitching prospect.

Hard to believe that Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson could return the #4 prospect in our system and that is taking into consideration he hasn't even pitched in a year.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:11 AM

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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:22 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
RAMBLE wrote: Much more important than the timetable is that the list is their top 10 prospects in order.

I thought the more important note was that you have 2 more years before you hope to have some impact players from the minors.

Does this mean 2-3 more years of signing and trading for stop gap solutions ?

Why wouldn't it?  Does the idea of a long term plan not register with you?  (That's rhetorical)

That said, if they see a deal like the Rizzo one out there they will take it.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:05 AM

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SPOONER wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
RAMBLE wrote: Much more important than the timetable is that the list is their top 10 prospects in order.

I thought the more important note was that you have 2 more years before you hope to have some impact players from the minors.

Does this mean 2-3 more years of signing and trading for stop gap solutions ?

Why wouldn't it?  Does the idea of a long term plan not register with you?  (That's rhetorical)

That said, if they see a deal like the Rizzo one out there they will take it.
Long term should be building an organization - no reason the major league team can't be improved short term as you build your long term organization.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:38 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SPOONER wrote:
cubs2007 wrote:
RAMBLE wrote: Much more important than the timetable is that the list is their top 10 prospects in order.

I thought the more important note was that you have 2 more years before you hope to have some impact players from the minors.

Does this mean 2-3 more years of signing and trading for stop gap solutions ?

Why wouldn't it?  Does the idea of a long term plan not register with you?  (That's rhetorical)

That said, if they see a deal like the Rizzo one out there they will take it.
Long term should be building an organization - no reason the major league team can't be improved short term as you build your long term organization.

Not getting sucked in again sorry.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:18 PM

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SPOONER wrote:
Not getting sucked in again sorry.
No need - just keep contributing your smartass comments.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:36 PM

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cubs2007 wrote: From Baseball Prospectus -

1. OF Albert Almora (2016)
2. SS Javier Baez (2015)
3. OF Jorge Soler (2015)
4. RHP Arodys Vizcaino (2011)
5. 1B Dan Vogelbach (2016)
6. OF Brett Jackson (blank)
7. RHP Pierce Johnson (2015)
8. RHP Duane Underwood (2017)
9. 3B Christian Villanueva (2014)
10. RHP Dillon Maples (2017)

comparing it to the MLB.com list - McNutt, Szczur and Lake are out - Vogelbach, Underwood, and Maples are in. I think Lake has a good chance to be an everyday player.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 9:16 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SPOONER wrote:
Not getting sucked in again sorry.
No need - just keep contributing your smartass comments.

Because it is so intereting to read your repetitive posts where you continue to viciously attack a horse that died long ago.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 9:29 AM

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SPOONER wrote:

Because it is so intereting to read your repetitive posts where you continue to viciously attack a horse that died long ago.

Posting insults is a poor way of contributing to a topic. Either try and add to the discussion or not post at all.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 9:56 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SPOONER wrote:

Because it is so intereting to read your repetitive posts where you continue to viciously attack a horse that died long ago.

Posting insults is a poor way of contributing to a topic. Either try and add to the discussion or not post at all.
So is plagiarizing. So is repeating the same thing again and again and again and again...

cubs2007, you supply a different perspective from many posters on the board, which is a good thing. You clearly care about your position, which is also a good thing. Just please cite references when using them (sometimes you do), and please try to refrain from the circular, repetitive arguments. I (and others) have and will try to avoid them as well.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:03 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
So is plagiarizing. So is repeating the same thing again and again and again and again...

cubs2007, you supply a different perspective from many posters on the board, which is a good thing. You clearly care about your position, which is also a good thing. Just please cite references when using them (sometimes you do), and please try to refrain from the circular, repetitive arguments. I (and others) have and will try to avoid them as well.
Another topic that is getting old. I never claim so one elses work as my own. If you want to debate the Cubs then I will express my opinion and if you need documentation I will provide it.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:19 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
So is plagiarizing. So is repeating the same thing again and again and again and again...

cubs2007, you supply a different perspective from many posters on the board, which is a good thing. You clearly care about your position, which is also a good thing. Just please cite references when using them (sometimes you do), and please try to refrain from the circular, repetitive arguments. I (and others) have and will try to avoid them as well.
Another topic that is getting old. I never claim so one elses work as my own. If you want to debate the Cubs then I will express my opinion and if you need documentation I will provide it.
It is intellectual dishonesty. When you copy and paste an author's paragraph verbatim and don't reference it, you are representing it as your own. Whether you think it is getting 'old' or not, I will point it out and criticize you for it every time I see you do it. Obviously I won't catch them all.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:27 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
It is intellectual dishonesty. When you copy and paste an author's paragraph verbatim and don't reference it, you are representing it as your own. Whether you think it is getting 'old' or not, I will point it out and criticize you for it every time I see you do it. Obviously I won't catch them all.
Again - The authors name is usually in the post or I state where it came from. It is this kind of crap that probably stops many from participating in baseball discussions.

Do you have any comments on prospects reaching the Cubs roster ?
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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:32 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
It is intellectual dishonesty. When you copy and paste an author's paragraph verbatim and don't reference it, you are representing it as your own. Whether you think it is getting 'old' or not, I will point it out and criticize you for it every time I see you do it. Obviously I won't catch them all.
Again - The authors name is usually in the post or I state where it came from. It is this kind of crap that probably stops many from participating in baseball discussions.

Do you have any comments on prospects reaching the Cubs roster ?
If you say, "as Dave Kaplan said" and then paste the quote, that is fine. That isn't plagiarizing. Only when you lift text without attribution.

As for this being the stuff that stops people from posting, you are the main culprit for this activity, and people calling you out for it doesn't stop you from posting, so I'm guessing that's not it.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:34 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
If you say, "as Dave Kaplan said" and then paste the quote, that is fine. That isn't plagiarizing. Only when you lift text without attribution.

As for this being the stuff that stops people from posting, you are the main culprit for this activity, and people calling you out for it doesn't stop you from posting, so I'm guessing that's not it.

Any comments on these prospects ?

1. OF Albert Almora (2016)
2. SS Javier Baez (2015)
3. OF Jorge Soler (2015)
4. RHP Arodys Vizcaino (2011)
5. 1B Dan Vogelbach (2016)
6. OF Brett Jackson (blank)
7. RHP Pierce Johnson (2015)
8. RHP Duane Underwood (2017)
9. 3B Christian Villanueva (2014)
10. RHP Dillon Maples (2017)

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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:56 AM

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cubs2007 wrote:
SportsGoblin wrote:
If you say, "as Dave Kaplan said" and then paste the quote, that is fine. That isn't plagiarizing. Only when you lift text without attribution.

As for this being the stuff that stops people from posting, you are the main culprit for this activity, and people calling you out for it doesn't stop you from posting, so I'm guessing that's not it.

Any comments on these prospects ?

1. OF Albert Almora (2016)
2. SS Javier Baez (2015)
3. OF Jorge Soler (2015)
4. RHP Arodys Vizcaino (2011)
5. 1B Dan Vogelbach (2016)
6. OF Brett Jackson (blank)
7. RHP Pierce Johnson (2015)
8. RHP Duane Underwood (2017)
9. 3B Christian Villanueva (2014)
10. RHP Dillon Maples (2017)

On the timeline, they really should go to 11 or so, because Vitters I suspect to get another shot in 2013, and he needs it. Vitters, Jackson and Vizcaino I see getting a shot to contribute in 2013.

Baez...others really seem to like him. Gary Sheffield bat speed is what they say. According to Phil Rogers, a longtime baseball exec. expects him to be "far more impactful than Starlin Castro". Now that is a huge endorsement:

http://sulia.com/source/58131/

I think Ramble originally gave us this link, and it is a good one. Lots of nice info.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 11:25 AM

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SportsGoblin wrote:
On the timeline, they really should go to 11 or so, because Vitters I suspect to get another shot in 2013, and he needs it. Vitters, Jackson and Vizcaino I see getting a shot to contribute in 2013.

Baez...others really seem to like him. Gary Sheffield bat speed is what they say. According to Phil Rogers, a longtime baseball exec. expects him to be "far more impactful than Starlin Castro". Now that is a huge endorsement:

http://sulia.com/source/58131/

I think Ramble originally gave us this link, and it is a good one. Lots of nice info.
I think Vitters and Jackson won't reach their projected ceilings. They may play in the majors but it does not look like they will become impact starters. They could be an average starter or end up bench players.

Vizcaino still needs to show he can stay healthy as a starter. My guess is he ends up the closer in 2014 after Marmol leaves.

Lets wait to see how Baez does at AA and if he can stay at SS before getting too excited.
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