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Caleb or Matt fun

Posted: 8/9/2014 11:04 PM

Caleb or Matt fun 


Can you identify who is who?

Caleb Joseph's major league stat line vs Matt Wieters this year and last year (no looking up tongue). This is just for fun (it's nice to have that luxury these days), because extrapolating with relatively small sample sizes is impossible in baseball.

Player A: .227/.287/.429/.715 .... 19.25 AB/HR .... 7.33 AB/RBI
Player B: .247/.296/.431/.726 .... 25.59 AB/HR ....  7.12 AB/RBI

Ready..... GO!

Also, apologies for my absence most of this summer.

Throw the 2 seamer for strikes dammit.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:38 AM

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Pretty sure Player A is Joseph seeing that he wasn't called up to the majors until this season and just a few weeks ago he was batting around .200.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:45 AM

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stephenjames1979 wrote: Pretty sure Player A is Joseph seeing that he wasn't called up to the majors until this season and just a few weeks ago he was batting around .200.

Joseph is Player A, I was watching his BA yesterday with every at-bat on the scoreboard tongue
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Posted: 8/10/2014 10:03 AM

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Now dont go Jim Traber-Eddie Murray on us and think Joseph is punching his HOF ticket only to be gawd awful after you traded away your Hall of Famer.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:32 AM

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Caleb is very hot right now as Poppa alluded....so you ride him for as long as possible and then someone else will pick him up. Pearce was our 'savior' surprise for 2 full months. Now he can't crack the lineup.
The one that continues to amaze me is Delmon Young. He just goes out there and hits whenever he is asked to play. Talk about one heck of a valuable guy. Our only .300 hitter...although several are now creeping up in the .280's. I expect Jones to finish around .300...he usually does.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 10:32 PM

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The point of the exercise, other than fun with numbers, is that, really, with Caleb Joseph, the Orioles haven't "lost" anything in terms of offense from the catching position.

For what we've gotten over the past couple of years, it's been steady. There's no telling what Matt Wieters could have done this year, but we're basically seeing near identical run production and slightly better power (though that will regress to more Wieters' like norms).

Throw the 2 seamer for strikes dammit.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 8:27 AM

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its fun watching players you expect nothing from...overachieve. Although Steve Pearce has taken his bats and put them in storage...he was sure fun to watch for 2 months...when we really needed his production. Now Joseph...who could barely crack .100 in his first few weeks on the team. Now look...he has certainly caught 'Oriole Fever'.
This is what championship teams are made of....the entire roster contributes. (yeah, even Flaherty occasionally surprises us!!!)
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Posted: 8/12/2014 9:54 AM

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I wouldn't say Joseph is horribly overachieving. With the homers, yes, but I think he was underachieving at the outset. I'd expect .225-.250 average out of him with 20 hr power. I think Matt Wieters had been a terrible underachiever with the bat which is why their production is close.

Joseph, for me, is the perfect backup option. Great defensively throwing guys out and actually has pop. Back when I used to write for this site, he used to say (all the way back in his Frederick days) that backing up Matt Wieters wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Now, you look at what other catchers are providing offensively, and he's certainly climbing out of the bottom of the league. When it comes to base-stealing he's the best, and he could use some more work on blocking pitches in the dirt.

With 5 more years of control, it's hard to see Joseph not being a key part of the team, be it as a back up or occasional starter, for the foreseeable future.

Throw the 2 seamer for strikes dammit.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 12:33 PM

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He is 'overachieving' relative to himself and the way he started this season. the way he was hitting, no one expected anything. that he is now hitting for power and watching his BA go up--and with little major league track record to back up anything...this is why I would plug him into that category.(getting a lot more than expected) ..even if it might not totally 'fit'.
Pearce definitely overachieved for two months. And it really helped.

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Posted: 8/13/2014 12:47 AM

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I disagree, I think there was an expectation from him offensively. The guy has had back-to-back 20 HR years in the high minor leagues. Yes, a little below average versus righties, about MLB average vs lefties.

Above the Mendoza line was clearly an expectation from Joseph, based on his split playing time after his early struggles (he was benched because he wasn't performing as expected). Just because the guy hit below .100 doesn't mean he's overachieving by hitting .220. He's pretty much projected as .225-.250, your prototypical backup catcher, with slightly more pop than your average backup catcher.

Throw the 2 seamer for strikes dammit.

Last edited 8/13/2014 12:47 AM by OsMagik

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Posted: 8/13/2014 12:17 PM

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If thats how you wish to see it, thats fine. Different strokes for different folks!
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Posted: 8/13/2014 12:29 PM

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Posted: 8/13/2014 1:30 PM

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If he is batting .225-.250 with power and that arm he shouldnt be a backup catcher. He should be a starting catcher. Next season will be unique if indeed he can bat .240 thats about what Wieters has been batting the prior couple of seasons. They will have 2 defensive catchers who can knock in the long ball say 20 a season. That's super for a catcher. How you can play Caleb at 1st and Matt though I think Caleb moves better but you can carry a 3rd catcher if need be or you have an extra spot on the roster for a bullpen guy or another UT guy. As fun as 2014 I have this gut feeling 2015 is going to be a dozy . I cant wait to see what the next 14 months brings us.
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