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FO Screwed the Pooch on this One!

Posted: 3/11/2014 6:13 PM

FO Screwed the Pooch on this One! 


I have not been a fan of the O's current FO. However, I started to warm up to them (maybe even a bunch) with their work the last two weeks. Then they go and pull this crap. Giving Manny a whopping raise..... NOT. I know that he is totally under the O's control for a few years but players tend to not forget crap like this when the time comes when they actually have some say.

http://t.foxsports.msn.com/mlb...th-new-contract
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Posted: 3/11/2014 7:42 PM

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ifsteve wrote: I have not been a fan of the O's current FO. However, I started to warm up to them (maybe even a bunch) with their work the last two weeks. Then they go and pull this crap. Giving Manny a whopping raise..... NOT. I know that he is totally under the O's control for a few years but players tend to not forget crap like this when the time comes when they actually have some say.

http://t.foxsports.msn.com/mlb...th-new-contract
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Posted: 3/11/2014 8:15 PM

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can't say I agree - every ML player goes through this 

and if I recall Manny got several million dollars before he ever to an AB in the minors.
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Posted: 3/11/2014 8:32 PM

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DiscoJamal wrote: can't say I agree - every ML player goes through this 

and if I recall Manny got several million dollars before he ever to an AB in the minors.
Manny Machado got a 5.25 million dollar signing bonus.  I'd say he's doing okay. 
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100817&a mp;content_id=13543630&vkey=draftcentral2010&a mp;fext=.jsp

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Posted: 3/11/2014 9:07 PM

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verycoolnin wrote:
ifsteve wrote: I have not been a fan of the O's current FO. However, I started to warm up to them (maybe even a bunch) with their work the last two weeks. Then they go and pull this crap. Giving Manny a whopping raise..... NOT. I know that he is totally under the O's control for a few years but players tend to not forget crap like this when the time comes when they actually have some say.

http://t.foxsports.msn.com/mlb...th-new-contract
Try running a business.

Have and I didn't give my up and coming star a slap in the face raise....
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Posted: 3/11/2014 10:14 PM

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I'll have to agree with others on this one.  He's got one full season in the majors...let him play 2 full seasons first and come closer to finishing out his contract.  Like others said, he signed a good contract out of high school...think about the risks the O's took on him then along with the fact that he currently provides cost control. 

Mike Trout was in a similar situation, and got a little over 500K after having a monster rookie year that was statistically far better than Machado.  He had another great year and was awarded a 1M/1 yr contract before having to go to arbitration while they worked on a LT deal. 

If the O's offered Machado an extension at this point, he would go from 500K to at least 10M per season.  With that jump in salary and the fact that the O's aren't selling out games, there's no way they would've brought in the players they signed this off-season nor would they be willing/able to keep Davis and Wieters.
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Posted: 3/11/2014 10:28 PM

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Yep--I was going to use Trout as exhibit A...you have to pay your dues first. The contract was fair and Manny should just shut up and cash his checks. His payday is right around the corner. More examples of overpaid pampered athletes making more money than god. I like Manny...but he needs to recognize his career is just getting started.
OTOH, when that time DOES come, the O's better be prepared to do the right thing...assuming his career continues as most think it will. I don't think they messed up at all. At least not yet.
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Posted: 3/11/2014 10:39 PM

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I am not saying they should have given him any kind of a huge contract or raise. But I would have given him something more like $600K. But perhaps you guys are right. He did get a huge payday upfront so maybe he should just shut up and play ball?
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Posted: 3/11/2014 10:51 PM

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Yeah, anything more the O's would give him than that would just be there to make better feelings. But it shouldn't be something that he expects really.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 12:07 AM

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I disagree. He just went through his first full season and had a bad injury at the end. It's not like he's hurting for money as someone mentioned that he was paid $5.25 million when drafted. Give him a couple of years when he goes through arbitration and he'll probably end up getting minimum of $10 million, if not Ellsbury money.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 8:37 AM

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Oh Jesus. Dude give me a break. He's in the freakin pre-arbitration period of his career. All these pre-arb guys get paid in the mid-hundred-thousands. Are you aware of that?

He's gonna get a long-term deal at some point this year. That's what teams always do with young stars - right before their last pre-arb year they buy out their arbitration years. This is nothing new at all.

If anything, Manny should shut up and play ball.

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Posted: 3/12/2014 8:47 AM

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I think it just the media taking some piece of a quote and running wild with it
(per usual)

This is the system the players union agreed to and it's the system that allows us the ability to have guys like Manny and still afford the Cruz/Ubaldos of the world
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Posted: 3/12/2014 8:55 AM

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ifsteve wrote: I am not saying they should have given him any kind of a huge contract or raise. But I would have given him something more like $600K. But perhaps you guys are right. He did get a huge payday upfront so maybe he should just shut up and play ball?
well ifsteve---at least you got some pretty unanimous feedback!!biggrin PLayers salaries have gotten so far out of hand, as soon as a guy has one good season he suddenly thinks he is entitled to the Kings Ransom. Pretty soon these guys won't have a clue about the value of their paycheck. And definitely, Manny needs to get his head together on this.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 9:29 AM

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Ok so I lose however I will stand with my original point. I would not have given him $19K over the MINIMUM.  There is no doubt they are all overpaid crybabies and that salaries have gotten way out of hand.

However, lets wait and see a couple of years down the road. Then we will really know if this was the media overblowing this or if Manny was truly insulted and it weighs on his future decision.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 10:53 AM

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But that's how it works, ifsteve. Don't you get it? There's no sentimentality in this stuff.

Mike Trout was paid $510k in 2013 after his insane 2012 season. And after his equally amazing 2013 season, he's now making $1m for 2014.

That's how it works. Sorry if you don't like it!


Edit: If Manny is insulted then he's an idiot and a brat. Like I said, he needs to STFU and play ball.

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Posted: 3/12/2014 11:15 AM

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Has nothing to do with me "liking it." It has everything to do with how this will affect the team trying to keep Manny down the road. Hopefully it doesn't. And to bring Mike Trout into the equation just adds more data to my point.

Forget that they are all WAY overcompensated for what they do. That is irrelevant. It is what it is.

The question is would giving these young overpaid players an extra $100K give you a better position down the road when they are able to negotiate. Are they more inclined to stick with you and give you the "home team discount."  Or would it not make any difference one way or the other. If you believe that it wouldn't help or hinder keeping him in the fold down the road then by all means dont' give them a dime more now.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 11:35 AM

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The Orioles did the same thing to Guthrie going into his third year, people have already mentioned Trout, and quite a few other teams have been following the same route with their rising stars recently. This is how many franchises are doing business these days. Machado will get his big payday soon enough.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 11:37 AM

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I think the whole thing is just way overblown

but coming off an injury where he really needs to prove himself - the comment is poorly timed.


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Posted: 3/12/2014 11:39 AM

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ifsteve wrote: Has nothing to do with me "liking it." It has everything to do with how this will affect the team trying to keep Manny down the road. Hopefully it doesn't. And to bring Mike Trout into the equation just adds more data to my point.

Forget that they are all WAY overcompensated for what they do. That is irrelevant. It is what it is.

The question is would giving these young overpaid players an extra $100K give you a better position down the road when they are able to negotiate. Are they more inclined to stick with you and give you the "home team discount."  Or would it not make any difference one way or the other. If you believe that it wouldn't help or hinder keeping him in the fold down the road then by all means dont' give them a dime more now.
It's the system and it was agreed upon by the players and the owners.  Just like players will always say, "it's a business" so will the franchise. 

Let's call a spade a spade, if Machado is really concerned over 100K that he'll let it affect his play or future negotiations, then he's a huge baby.  Countless others have had to go through it.  If he were the first to have to go through this, then I understand, but he's not...and he won't be the last. 

Like another poster said, it's likely that he's disappointed that he's only making 19K over the minimum...I'd be disappointed to but I wouldn't let it be an issue in negotiations and nor should it.  Remember, that salary is part of the contract that he signed when drafted and this isn't the NFL where players are allowed to re-negotiate their contracts and have to deal with non-guaranteed money.  In baseball, you sign a contract for 5.25M, you're getting 5.25M regardless of whether you overperform or underperform...get injured or not. 

The only way I see the O's, or any franchise, tearing the existing contract up and re-negotiating a LT deal is if it comes with a significant discount.  Let's say for example that we remove the arbitration eligibility process abd the combination of Machado's performance,age and potential and warrants a 15M/year salary.  Given that all the leverage is with the franchise for at least another year, potentially 2, I'd say it would be VERY generous of the O's to offer a deal that averages 10M simply because they don't have to...let's not overlook the impact that it would have if any team circumvents the process whether it be giving more than traditionally provided or re-doing his contract. 

If you give significantly more than traditional, then the starting point for abtritation eligible cases would increase significantly each year.  If you re-do his contract before the original deal expires, then it will set precedent for future players.  That would then put players in a position to make the astronomical contracts they're signing now look like bargains! 

In the long run, you would then make ARod (and his multiple 200M+ contracts) be the norm rather than the exception.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 12:18 PM

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If $100K is a game breaker for a young kid with so little time in grade, he doesn't get it. Plus he must not be looking at other players in his same situation. The big paydays come with service and performance...and honestly, if he lets this influence whether he wants to remain an Oriole...then let him go. somebody with some maturity needs to sit down with this kid (coming off a serious injury) and tell him the facts of life. Don't mope, don't *****, just go out and play and be happy you have the talent to make more money in 10 years than 99% of us will make in a lifetime.
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