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What do the O's do to avoid a terrible slide?

Posted: 5/15/2013 4:41 PM

What do the O's do to avoid a terrible slide? 


The pitching, especially the starting pitching, is headed in the wrong direction. And the bats have started to slip a bit.  Not sure what to do different but the looks of this team right now has the makings of a significant tail off which they can't afford. Maybe its just a couple of days funk but Chen and Gonzo out. Tillman looks pretty good but his pitch count is going to catch up to him. Garcia doesn't seem to be a very good answer.

We need some help but not sure where its going to come from.
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Posted: 5/15/2013 5:52 PM

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Jair Jurrjens might be getting the ball on Saturday. Can't say I'm too excited about that. Gonzalez will be back on Tuesday though, and Wada is starting his rehab stint.

It isn't a good situation right now, and I don't like the way Duquette let Arrieta start the season in the rotation again. But I do remember having to deal with Arrieta, Hunter, and Matusz in the rotation last year and they got it figured out a few months in.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 7:31 AM

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They are 23-17 in 2nd place and not 17-23 so there is wiggle room to play with. I expect MiGo to come back next week giving us Hammel,Tillman,MiGo your 1-2-3 but like you I'm worried about the 4th and 5th rotation spot. What does Jair have to offer? He is Daniel Cabrerra like where he can be dominate but he needs to trust the catchers location. Cabrerra never was comfy with the catchers location making it a battle amoung the batterymates giving the downfall for DCAB being a quality pitcher. We will see if it clicks with him after 2 or 3 starts. It did click in for Tillman maybe it works out for Jair. Its to early to call up Gausman but you never know what they are thinking. Maybe another 4 starts for him and he is up June 1st. That all said happens we have no lefty in the rotation until July when Chen likely pops back into the rotation unless Wada gets it going okay but thats a big if.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 7:36 AM

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The starting pitching is a major issue right now. And 2nd base is a big black hole. They need to ship Flaherty out; figure out if Casilla can do the job, and/or shop for someone else. Please O's--don't plan on Roberts ever being able to play regularly again.
Reimold? Perhaps its time to cut bait with him too. Pearce...probably not a full time DH. McLouth--needs to be more consistent to be in there everyday.
Strop---please issue him a ticket to NOrfolk and let him get straightened out there rather than clog up a roster spot on the big club.
Outfield....time to start taking fly ball practice out there.

O's are a decent ballclub--that with some tweaking will be able to compete IMO. But there are some nasty holes that need to be fixed.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 8:18 AM

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Arreitta for Doumit and 2 Million dollars.....

Arreitta is 27 --- can't really hope for a breakthrough at this point and Minnesota needs pitching

Doumit's salary is only 3.5 million -- 2 million covered by twins and would get to hit in Camden rather than target field..
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Posted: 5/16/2013 9:33 AM

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insagt1 wrote: The starting pitching is a major issue right now. And 2nd base is a big black hole. They need to ship Flaherty out; figure out if Casilla can do the job, and/or shop for someone else. Please O's--don't plan on Roberts ever being able to play regularly again.
Reimold? Perhaps its time to cut bait with him too. Pearce...probably not a full time DH. McLouth--needs to be more consistent to be in there everyday.
Strop---please issue him a ticket to NOrfolk and let him get straightened out there rather than clog up a roster spot on the big club.
Outfield....time to start taking fly ball practice out there.

O's are a decent ballclub--that with some tweaking will be able to compete IMO. But there are some nasty holes that need to be fixed.

The bolded part is confusing to me...He's been pretty solid this season IMO, and he doesn't just hack at the ball like Davis and Jones when he's at bat.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 12:11 PM

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Check out his performance lately. That is what prompted the comment.. 5-40 past 10 games; 0 for his last 14 and no RBI in over 10 games. Gotta do better than that to play everyday. Overall I do like the guy.
The Arrieta for Doumit trade would be good. Doumit has a decent bat and would be a legitimate backup catcher giving Wieters more of a break. He can also DH and occasionally play the outfield (although he isn't very good out there...he cost the Twins a game against Boston last week)
overall, I'd do that trade yesterday.
Willingham is also off to a slow start and might benefit from a change. Twins have enough outfielders to replace him. Any interest there?

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Posted: 5/16/2013 1:24 PM

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Doumit is ok but I think we should be able to package Arrieta and Reimold for a better return.

Willingham would be a good option. I am ok if we end up sucking (at bat wise) at 2B but we can't get very far with a weak hitting 2B and DH. W can DH and play some in the field and we know he has shown he can hit.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 1:41 PM

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In a long season, there will be plenty of ups and downs, win streaks and losing streaks. This is an above .500 team again. A Division winner? maybe but they wont go far with this Pitching staff in the post season.

Last year it was one of those years where all kinds of momentum and magical stuff happened but now we have come to the realization that our bullpen isnt as good as last year and the starting pitching is def. a drop off.

So how do we fix it? I dunno if you can. This is the reason Duquette always tries to give journeymen a chance as you never know when a pitcher might catch lightning in a bottle again.

Out of all the years of development, we are not really much further along in pitching.I wouldnt count on Bundy or Gausman at all this year and no need to rush.Maybe next year.

We gotta just keep our finger's crossed and hope the light bulb goes off again in the second half of the season for our staff.If any kind of trade can be made for any pitcher or a Bat that might help, I am all for it.

There is nothing to truly panic about at the moment in a long season but as mentioned, Im sure the Orioles realize some deficiencies right now and there is always room to make a trade to improve a club down the road.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 2:42 PM

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Orioles wont be making trades for bats in my opinion. Looking at Buck and DD's plan last year to bring up Machado they may very well bring up Schoop and Urrita at some point this season. Henry and Nate as a platoon will be as good as Roenicke(sp) and Lowentstein. Now Schoop is no where near the player Machado is but he will be servicaeble at 2nd for a long time to come in my opinion even if my opinions are wrong most if the time.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 4:21 PM

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Willingham would cost a LOT more than doumit.... I unlike a lot of trade poster on scout like to be realistic. I think Doumit & 1.5-2 mill for Arrietta is a good match for both teams.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 5:44 PM

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They can start by not panicing over a 2 game losing streak

They really need to do something about 2nd base and DH

I think the pitching will come around - we have enough options
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Posted: 5/16/2013 6:01 PM

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JMUplayermike wrote: Willingham would cost a LOT more than doumit.... I unlike a lot of trade poster on scout like to be realistic. I think Doumit & 1.5-2 mill for Arrietta is a good match for both teams.

Certainly Doumit would cost a lot less than Willingham but I don't see Doumit fitting in the O's lineup at all. They need a DH that hits for power and/or average and Doumit is neither.
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Posted: 5/16/2013 7:20 PM

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I don't like Doumit because his eyes freak me out. Dude has no sclera....it's creepy.
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Posted: 5/17/2013 8:43 PM

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The bats better come back awake since they fell asleep after the second inning. Clearly they can and have in the past. But this is starting to look like a very ugly weekend and with the Yankees next in town this could hurt.

Somehow we need to find two GREAT starts tomorrow and Sunday or we will have no pen left by the time the NYers get here.
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Posted: 5/17/2013 9:33 PM

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Pitching is awful right now. I think what we see from Hammel is pretty much how the season is gonna unfold. He just doesnt seem to have it so that is a pretty big concern given his spot in the rotation.

I think we all knew that the bullpen wouldnt be as good as last year but it is a def. concern atleast to this point.
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Posted: 5/18/2013 8:09 AM

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why the O's are messing around with Alex Burnett is beyond me. The flat out stinks and has stunk for a long time. When he was with the Twins/REd Wings I cringed every time he went out there. Release this stiff ASAP and find a real pitcher....O's are struggling enough on the hill without automatic losers like Burnett.
Nice to see JJ Hardy dialed in again...but right now, its the pitching that is of biggest concern
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Posted: 5/19/2013 1:19 AM

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Gotta get through this rough stretch and hope this is not indicative of the pitching rest of season.

At some point Matusz might be back in rotation.
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Posted: 5/19/2013 7:09 AM

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U can almost see on his face as another starter fails to get a quality start
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Posted: 5/19/2013 8:06 PM

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guess we did not avoid the terrible slide. We're in it and it doesn't feel good.
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