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Brian Roberts ? --

Posted: 1/17/2013 2:57 PM

Brian Roberts ? -- 


Has insurance paid for any of his salary the past 3 years?
Losers whine about their best...... Winners go home and        %##%# the prom queen.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 5:07 PM

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For those of us who think that the lead off spot and/or second base is taken care of with Roberts return.

Roberts doing 'good,' but still dealing with health issues

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/article.jsp? ymd=20130117&content_id=41004310&notebook_ id=41004292&vkey=notebook_bal&c_id=bal




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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:40 PM

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I have a feeling we're going to see one of the following:

1) a lot of Flaherty/Casilla/Navarro

2) Schoop called up by early Summer

3) Late-offseason/early Spring Training signing (Kelly Johnson anyone?)

But we won't be seeing Roberts. I think he's done. I wish it wasn't so. It's just soooo frustrating with this health stuff. I feel for him. But seriously, at what point do the O's just move on and find a REAL solution?
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:19 AM

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Played in just 115 games over past 3 seasons.
Had another surgery(sports hernia) in DEC. setting him back again.
In 4th and final year of a GREAT 4 year contract O's signed him to!
GOOD BYE and THANKS for the memories BROB BUT its been so long since you've provided us with any that were positive. I'm thinking you took more PED than you wanted to admit to and they've caught up to your body and torn it down?
I think what bothers me more than anything about this player is that money always seems to be an issue with PA and this BIRDS organization and it was spent on a player who basically hasn't given them anything in return for 3 seasons.crazy

Last edited 1/18/2013 8:22 AM by ItsmeRP

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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:46 AM

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There are those who have thought that the O's 'offseason improvement' rested with the return to everyday service of Roberts, as well as Reimold and Nicky. Many of us here have been very suspicious of Roberts ever returning to action...not a baseless worry either given how little he has played lately and the overall fragility of his body.

I still maintain the O's need a couple more pieces to avoid sliding back to where they have dwelled for over a decade...minus last season. It would be a shame to stop forward progress now. I sure hope the O's capable management has a plan between now and April 1. And I also hope we don't lose any key player to injury if they play in that stupid world tournament, which I wish would just go quietly into the sunset.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:47 AM

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Convinced now more than ever that the FO must makes some moves before ST or this team is going to reverse course. One of two key pieces they are banking on is clearly done and what we currently have as backup plans are not offensive weapons. So we now are almost totally reliant on having a healthy Reimold. Does not make me feel like we are in a good position.
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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:58 AM

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ripken4prez wrote: I have a feeling we're going to see one of the following:

1) a lot of Flaherty/Casilla/Navarro

2) Schoop called up by early Summer

3) Late-offseason/early Spring Training signing (Kelly Johnson anyone?)

But we won't be seeing Roberts. I think he's done. I wish it wasn't so. It's just soooo frustrating with this health stuff. I feel for him. But seriously, at what point do the O's just move on and find a REAL solution?
I think you're right - I'm surprised Kelly Johnson is still available
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:48 AM

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I am too, DJ. I don't feel like looking this up but I wonder if Johnson is a Type A/B free agent. Teams probably don't think it's worth giving up a pick for a player of Johnson's caliber (good but not great).

He's solid....averages about 20 HR per 162 games and has been around long enough where you know what you're going to get. But, again, he's just...average. Not worth giving up the pick if you ask me (if he is, in fact, a Type A or B F.A.).
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:27 AM

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I think from what I've heard and read that it's the fans who are counting on BRob more than the team is. The team had options last year, and they've got options this year. If BRob can play, good, but the Orioles aren't counting on him to play 150 games or be the igniter to the offense. With McLouth, Markakis and Reimold, the O's have options for him as a lead off man, and there are options to play second base, too.

And lest anyone be confused by what I have said, I think that collectively the Orioles will get more from Roberts, Reimold, Markakis and Machado in 2013 than in 2012, but I'm not going to guess what they as individuals will do. I'll leave that to Bill James or PECOTA, but the biggest problem around those predictions revolve around playing time. If the playing time is right, the numbers usually are. Maybe somebody somewhere is running an over/under for how many games Nick, BRob or Reimold may play in 2013, but we've got a little less than a month to spring training, and are still two and a half months to opening day. Lots can happen between now and then...

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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:25 PM

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ripken4prez wrote: I am too, DJ. I don't feel like looking this up but I wonder if Johnson is a Type A/B free agent. Teams probably don't think it's worth giving up a pick for a player of Johnson's caliber (good but not great).

He's solid....averages about 20 HR per 162 games and has been around long enough where you know what you're going to get. But, again, he's just...average. Not worth giving up the pick if you ask me (if he is, in fact, a Type A or B F.A.).
Type A or B free agents don't exist anymore, with the new CBA. The new thing is qualifying offers. If a player turns down a qualifying offer (which I believe has to be over $13 M/year), then when they hit FA, a team must lose their 1st round draft pick to sign them. (or 2nd round if they pick in the Top 10)

Also, I heard that Kelly Johnson's bat speed was terrible last year.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:55 AM

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The question that was asked was did the O's have insurance that covered any of BRob's salary the last three years. My understanding is that after Mike Hampton (who signed for big bucks and then was injured most of the time), the number of companies willing to write insurance on big contracts dropped significantly, and the price skyrocketed for those policies. I don't know if the Orioles had insurance, but my guess is probably not.

The other thing that happened with Mike Hampton (8 years, 121 million, IIRC) was that there was a year when he might have been able to come back, but if he pitched for the Braves(this was August), the Braves would have had to pay him his full salary and waive the insurance money, so they decided not to let him pitch rather than take the hit to their payroll.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 10:31 AM

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Albert Belle's contract had an insurance policy for 100% of his contract year to year. Each spring training he had to report and take a physical for the Orioles receive the check for the season. Since that time frame ins outfits dotn insure 100% of the contract but a % if I heard correct.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:29 PM

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dmason85 wrote:
ripken4prez wrote: I am too, DJ. I don't feel like looking this up but I wonder if Johnson is a Type A/B free agent. Teams probably don't think it's worth giving up a pick for a player of Johnson's caliber (good but not great).

He's solid....averages about 20 HR per 162 games and has been around long enough where you know what you're going to get. But, again, he's just...average. Not worth giving up the pick if you ask me (if he is, in fact, a Type A or B F.A.).
Type A or B free agents don't exist anymore, with the new CBA. The new thing is qualifying offers. If a player turns down a qualifying offer (which I believe has to be over $13 M/year), then when they hit FA, a team must lose their 1st round draft pick to sign them. (or 2nd round if they pick in the Top 10)

Also, I heard that Kelly Johnson's bat speed was terrible last year.
Oh cool, thanks for the update, dmason.

As for Johnson, I didn't know about that tidbit. Wonder if he got a bit lazy with working out or something.
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