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Cold Business

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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:17 AM

Cold Business 


I was reading this morning how the deadline to sign Mark Reynolds is midnight tonight and according to Mark he has not heard a word from the Orioles. He said that this was all new to him, he had never been through it before but he thought he would at least hear from somebody. He said. " I guess I'm probably gone."

Of course the Orioles still have about 12 hours, perhaps Reynolds will hear from somebody.

But it reminds me of the Orioles handling of Arthur Rhodes at the end of the 1999 season.  The Orioles had drafted Rhodes and brought him up through the Oriole system to the ML club as a relief pitcher. In 1996 he got a chance to start and went 9 and 1, the next year he went 10 and 3 and returned to the bullpen. He was under contract through the 1999 season.  At the end of the season he went home expecting to hear from the Orioles about resigning with them like he had done for nine years. He never heard a word and came to the conclusion he was out of work and better find a job pitching for some ML club.

We read how our ML teams are one happy family, but we must never forget it's a cold business.

 

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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:42 AM

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I'm hoping that something happens at the last minute and we end up offering arbitration. Just got a bad feeling that if he leaves it will hurt us a lot more than we think.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:53 AM

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I'm praying for a miracle between now and Midnight. If not, His amazing Toe and Electric Defense at first will be missed.
I just hope if he does leave, he goes far away from the AL East, i could see him haunting us if he went to Boston.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 12:47 PM

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You're right it is a cold business sometimes but does it truly have to be in cases like this? I realize that MAYBE DD has been trying to trade him but why do an interview and say that you may try to sign him prior to the deadline and then not even talk with his agent. It's all very confusing IMHO and lack communications.
If Davis was as good or better first baseman then why did the O's not play him more at first prior to moving Reynolds over?
I hope this is the right move for the O's, I guess we will wait and see.




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Posted: 11/30/2012 4:09 PM

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I never dreamed I would ever be a Mark Reynolds advocate...but he really showed me something defensively second half. The O's were foundering like a ship full of holes before he moved over to 1B...and despite what the guys who like to play baseball on paper with a zillion stats might say, he 'looked' pretty darn good over there. I don't think there were too many that felt he hurt the team defensively.

Having said that, to screw my own argument, looks like the O's brass were not that impressed. Yeah, tough business.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 4:21 PM

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insagt1 wrote: I never dreamed I would ever be a Mark Reynolds advocate...but he really showed me something defensively second half. The O's were foundering like a ship full of holes before he moved over to 1B...and despite what the guys who like to play baseball on paper with a zillion stats might say, he 'looked' pretty darn good over there. I don't think there were too many that felt he hurt the team defensively.

Having said that, to screw my own argument, looks like the O's brass were not that impressed. Yeah, tough business.
I'd say the defensive turnaround was more due to Nate McLouth and Manny Machado coming up than Mark Reynolds. Reynolds did do a fine job at a new position though. I was very impressed with him.

I'm a bit nervous that a better player than Mark won't be available to us, and that Duquette's unwillingness to pay Mark a bit more than he's worth will hurt us. I suspect Duquette has something in mind though. I'd bet on a trade over the offseason for a good hitter that we can put third in the order, between Markakis and Jones.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:36 PM

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POPPA wrote:
We read how our ML teams are one happy family, but we must never forget it's a cold business.
Rhodes turned in some good years as a reliever after leaving the O's too.  I don't understand the NOT communicating on the part of the front office and the GM saying one thing to the media and doing something totally different.

It's got to make the manager's job tougher keeping the "One Happy Family" atmosphere going when the front office doesn't say what is really means.

Sounds like the men who run the country in DC.




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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:39 PM

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I know Mark is streaky with the bat, but who can forget those times when he carried the team offensively? I hope we find a way.......

 

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Posted: 11/30/2012 9:40 PM

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In the case of Reynolds - I'd be happy if they brought him back but if he walked I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

I think the O's are wise to let these guys test the market

DD and Buck have earned the benefit of the doubt at this point but damn they make it difficult don't they?!
...stay classy 'skins fans
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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:08 PM

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sure looks like in two hours Mark will be an ex-Oriole...and they are willing to just let him walk? Not even worth signing to trade? What about McLouth? IS he heading to ex-Orioleville too?
Oh well--we have Danny Valencia. I guess all is right with the world........
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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:13 PM

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Reynolds just confirmed that he will be non-tendered and although he's open to coming back, tonight was the first time he got a phone call from Duquette this offseason and it was just to inform him the news.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:27 AM

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Heck of a way to run a railroad. But it seems to be a common practice. I remember Mike Hardgrove saying, " A Call ?  Nobody ever gave me a call."

 

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Posted: 12/1/2012 2:58 PM

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A call saying, "Hey, we're gonna let you test things out and then we'll see where we are.  Hope you understand."  wouldn't have hurt anyone.  I mean, as Poppa points out, it is a business, but it doesn't have to be heartless.

BUT... as much as I like Mark Reynolds and  advocate for his resigning, he's not an 11 million dollar a year player.  I can't imagine another team offering him that much given his strike outs, streakiness, and inability to play other than 1B.  The NL is basically out unless he's going to a team with a 1B need.  And in the AL he's a marginal DH.  He's still young too, so after a couple years of more steady play, I would think he'd have earned his bigger payday by then.

The interesting thing will be if someone like Adam LaRoche comes in around the 11 million range.  That would be an upgrade.  I'd miss the Sheriff, tho.pirate  He's got a great personality for this club.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:50 AM

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drjohnnyfeva wrote:

The interesting thing will be if someone like Adam LaRoche comes in around the 11 million range.  That would be an upgrade.  I'd miss the Sheriff, tho.pirate  He's got a great personality for this club.

This is just me but I'm not so sure that LaRoche would be an upgrade over Reynolds. A few reasons I'm thinking:

1. Reynolds is a few years younger than LaRoche and has a bit more speed.

2. Reynolds has shown that he can hit around 35 homeruns a season.

3. Looks at LaRoche's career stats, he looks like he's been hurt a few times that resulted in him missing time.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 3:58 AM

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DrBNic wrote: You're right it is a cold business sometimes but does it truly have to be in cases like this? I realize that MAYBE DD has been trying to trade him but why do an interview and say that you may try to sign him prior to the deadline and then not even talk with his agent. It's all very confusing IMHO and lack communications.
If Davis was as good or better first baseman then why did the O's not play him more at first prior to moving Reynolds over?
I hope this is the right move for the O's, I guess we will wait and see.
you answered your own question. it makes absolutely no sense to say publicly you will not re-sign a guy if he has an ounce of trade value.

Throw the 2 seamer for strikes dammit.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:36 AM

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Adam LaRoche will be 33, career stats   http://www.thebaseballcube.com...?P=Adam-LaRoche

Mark Reynolds will be 29, career stats http://www.thebaseballcube.com...P=Mark-Reynolds
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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:20 AM

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Steve Melewski said that people who listened to Duquette said the reason why they didn't offer Reynolds arbitration was because Duquette believed Reynolds would have gotten between $12-14 million while many execs thought it would have been around $9 million. Even if that were the case, if it's true that Reynolds didn't get a call the whole offseason then there was no negotiation.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:04 PM

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$12-$14M would have been too much. He is valuable, but not at those prices. He doesn't have the stats to support that kind of contract. Will be interesting to see who will offer him what..and when.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:55 PM

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Roch is reporting that Duquette has an interest in Michael Morse and thinks a deal might be worked out. Morse is 30 years old, hit for a higher average then Reynolds ( .291 ) with 18 HR's and 63 RBI's last year. He was paid 3.5 million last year.

 

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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:11 PM

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POPPA wrote: Roch is reporting that Duquette has an interest in Michael Morse and thinks a deal might be worked out. Morse is 30 years old, hit for a higher average then Reynolds ( .291 ) with 18 HR's and 63 RBI's last year. He was paid 3.5 million last year.
From what I have read the Nats may only be interested in trading Morse if they re-sign LaRoche.




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