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My Mock Off Season/Draft

Posted: 2/19/2013 2:18 PM

My Mock Off Season/Draft 


Resign Henry Melton to a 5yr/35 million with 18 million guaranteed
Resign Brian Urlacher to a 1 year deal
Try to restructure Julius Peppers' contract
Resign Roach, Idonije, Bowman, Louis, Hayes, Scott, Moore, McCown, Hayden and Collins
Release Campbell, Okoye, Nolan, Mare, Bell, Rachal, Davis and Spencer

Sign LT Brandon Albert
Sign OG Donald Thomas
Sign CB Tracy Porter

Trade Michael Bush for a 5th round pick

1) TE Tyler Efiert Notre Dame - The kid is an absolute stud.  QB throws it up anywhere near him and he makes the catch.  Bears need this guy for the middle of the field and make plays.  Also gives Jeffery and Bennett more single coverage.

2) WR DeAndre Hopkins Clemson - The kid is an absolute burner and can develop into a very good 4th wideout on this team, which is scary.

4) LB Shayne Skov Stanford - One year under Brian Urlacher's should help and be ready for season 2.

5) RB Marcus Lattimore South Carolina - Replaces Michael Bush.  Can be elite if he stays healthy.

5) QB Landry Jones Oklahoma - Trestman needs a QB he likes.  Jones fits that.

6) OT Xavier Nixon Florida - Depth

What do you guys think?  Think it can be realistic?

Last edited 2/19/2013 2:30 PM by GGGilliniballa18

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Posted: 2/19/2013 3:33 PM

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Because I do not believe Albert is going to get even a whiff of the FA market, I think OL has to be in round one or two at the latest. I also do not know why the Bears would get rid of Bush. given his contract and the fact that he did a decent job last year, I don't see it happening. My understanding is that Trestman likes to use a two RB system. Forte and Bush both are complete back with good hands. WRin the second also doesn't make sense given the other needs on the team UNLESS there is absolutely no one decent at any other position at pick 50 and even then a trade down would make more sense.

I like your resign/release scenario. I just do not like your draft at all.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:47 PM

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I disagree about Albert. The Chiefs not only used a 3rd rounder on a LT (Stephenson) last season, but they also have the 1st pick in the draft...a draft where a LT (Joeckel) will probably go #1 overall.

With that in mind, I can't see the Chiefs making Albert a high priority to re-sign. He's a good player, but always hurt. They could re-sign him and move him inside to guard, but I don't see them paying big money for a guard...especially when they have invested high picks on Allen, Hudson and Asumoah (sp?) in recent drafts.

My guess is that Albert's going to be available come March 12th and he's going to go to the highest bidder.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:54 PM

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As for the OP's mock offseason, I don't like it for one reason........no OL until the 6th round. That's very JA-esque.

I actually like the idea of trading Bush. $11 million invested in two RB's for next season is a lot of money. If you can trade Bush, then you trade him. Forte is on the field for almost 80% of the snaps...you can find a short-yardage back in the draft or a cheaper option in free-agency. I've brought up that scenario in the past.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 2:46 PM

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But in the new system, I don't believe forte will take 80% of the snaps.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 3:02 PM

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Though that may be true. History shows that Trestman's offense is going to throw the football a ton. So that again leaves me to question if having $11 million invested in two RB's is a smart move? One is an all-purpose back, who will be on the field a ton and the other is a goalline back who might make the field for 15-20 snaps a game.

Again, that's a lot of money, when what Bush will be asked to do, can easily be replaced with a cheaper option. Just my two cents.

It's not that I don't like Bush. I just don't see the point in investing big money in two RB's in todays NFL? That's more of a Lovie philosophy than anything else. Hell, the Patriots have a stable of RB's...all are either undrafted free-agents or mid-rounders and they run the ball very effectively when they do actually run the football.

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But in the new system, I don't believe forte will take 80% of the snaps.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 3:57 PM

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Bush is far more than just a goal line back IMO.  I think Bush is being type cast as a goal line back because of his size and the previous Bears regime not being creative enough with him.  He has good hands, he has fairly nimble feet for a back his size, and had proven in OAK when McFadden went down that he can carry the run game for stretches by himself.

I think he and Forte can be used on the field simultaneously in the WCO.  Just my thoughts on Bush.

EDIT:  So to stay on the topic of Offseason/Draft.....I wouldn't touch the RB position at the two deep.  Let Armando Allen battle some UDFA's for the 3rd spot.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 5:07 PM

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Bush is far more than just a goal line back IMO.  I think Bush is being type cast as a goal line back because of his size and the previous Bears regime not being creative enough with him.  He has good hands, he has fairly nimble feet for a back his size, and had proven in OAK when McFadden went down that he can carry the run game for stretches by himself.

I think he and Forte can be used on the field simultaneously in the WCO.  Just my thoughts on Bush.

EDIT:  So to stay on the topic of Offseason/Draft.....I wouldn't touch the RB position at the two deep.  Let Armando Allen battle some UDFA's for the 3rd spot.

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If Bush is as talented as you say, then wouldn't it be a safe bet to assume that we could trade him and his contract for a mid-round draft pick or two, to fill other holes on the roster?? Especially in a cash-strapped season due to the salary cap?

I just don't get the concept of paying big money to two RB's. RB's these days, are a dime a dozen so to speak. You can find good ones, with the same skill set of a Bush, in a late round or even in undrafted free-agents.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Forte (myself included), he is an all-purpose, every-down back who a team CAN afford to keep on the field for 75% of the snaps. When he needs a break, you don't need a Michael Bush to "spell" him, you just need a guy with a hard-nosed running style who can not only pick up the tough yards, but also help wear down a defense to close the game out. I'm not saying Bush doesn't have any value...I'm saying that if you can get something significant in return for him and also free up some additional cap space, then you do it! You then fill his roster spot with a younger, cheaper option in the mold I mentioned above.

I will go out on a limb and say that with Trestman calling plays etc., that no one will even notice Bush being on the roster (like I didn't notice him last season), unless Forte gets hurt. I just can't help but think that even then, a young, hungry RB could do just as well (or better), than the almost 30 year Bush.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 5:57 PM

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Bearsfan247 wrote:

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Bush is far more than just a goal line back IMO.  I think Bush is being type cast as a goal line back because of his size and the previous Bears regime not being creative enough with him.  He has good hands, he has fairly nimble feet for a back his size, and had proven in OAK when McFadden went down that he can carry the run game for stretches by himself.

I think he and Forte can be used on the field simultaneously in the WCO.  Just my thoughts on Bush.

EDIT:  So to stay on the topic of Offseason/Draft.....I wouldn't touch the RB position at the two deep.  Let Armando Allen battle some UDFA's for the 3rd spot.

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If Bush is as talented as you say, then wouldn't it be a safe bet to assume that we could trade him and his contract for a mid-round draft pick or two, to fill other holes on the roster?? Especially in a cash-strapped season due to the salary cap?

I just don't get the concept of paying big money to two RB's. RB's these days, are a dime a dozen so to speak. You can find good ones, with the same skill set of a Bush, in a late round or even in undrafted free-agents.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Forte (myself included), he is an all-purpose, every-down back who a team CAN afford to keep on the field for 75% of the snaps. When he needs a break, you don't need a Michael Bush to "spell" him, you just need a guy with a hard-nosed running style who can not only pick up the tough yards, but also help wear down a defense to close the game out. I'm not saying Bush doesn't have any value...I'm saying that if you can get something significant in return for him and also free up some additional cap space, then you do it! You then fill his roster spot with a younger, cheaper option in the mold I mentioned above.

I will go out on a limb and say that with Trestman calling plays etc., that no one will even notice Bush being on the roster (like I didn't notice him last season), unless Forte gets hurt. I just can't help but think that even then, a young, hungry RB could do just as well (or better), than the almost 30 year Bush.

So, if "RB's are a dime a dozen" and can be had in "a late round or UDFA", then why would another team give up a "mid round pick or two" for a 30 year old Bush?  If they can swing it, kudos, just don't see it happening.

I agree that it wasn't ideal to sign him to that contract and tie up that much money in the RB position.  But, at this point, it is what it is.  He is more than likely to be a Bear next year and can be valuable to the offense.  He still has 3M in signing bonus money due, another 1.1M in possible miscellaneous bonus money due and his contract salary escalates to 1.5M this year but then to 2.8M in 2014 and 3.5M in 2015.  No other team is going to take that contract on in a trade IMO.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 6:29 PM

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Here is my crack at the mock draft, I usually hate even attempting them until after FA since all the teams needs will change based on what transpires:

Round 1:  Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford..........it could be possible to even trade back a few spots and still get him....I won't include a specific trade for the purposes of the mock
Round 2:  Barrett Jones, G/C, Alabama.......... I really think he could still be there at 50
Round 4:  Nico Johnson, ILB, Alabama.......... Although a run stuffing ILB, I think he is athletic enough to man the MLB spot in the Tampa 2.  It might be a stretch for him to be here, but the Ertz possible trade scenario could account for this
Round 5:  William Gholston, DE, MSU.............. Peppers is aging, this kid has the physical tools to potentially replace him in a couple of years if he works hard and hones his skills.  He is my "MY GUY" for a mid-to-late prospect...boom or bust
Round 6:  Brennan Williams, OT, NC............ the labrum injury might push him down boards but he is worthy of a 6th round flier due to his massive potential

UDFA Target:  Marquess Wilson, WR, Washington State.  In 2011 he was in the conversation for best WR in the country.  He quit on his team in 2012 which is a huge knock and probably makes him undraftable, but bring him in and see if he has the work ethic to be a pro.  The talent is there.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 6:30 PM

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Bearsfan247 wrote:

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--- IRUSHTHROUGH wrote:

Bush is far more than just a goal line back IMO.  I think Bush is being type cast as a goal line back because of his size and the previous Bears regime not being creative enough with him.  He has good hands, he has fairly nimble feet for a back his size, and had proven in OAK when McFadden went down that he can carry the run game for stretches by himself.

I think he and Forte can be used on the field simultaneously in the WCO.  Just my thoughts on Bush.

EDIT:  So to stay on the topic of Offseason/Draft.....I wouldn't touch the RB position at the two deep.  Let Armando Allen battle some UDFA's for the 3rd spot.

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If Bush is as talented as you say, then wouldn't it be a safe bet to assume that we could trade him and his contract for a mid-round draft pick or two, to fill other holes on the roster?? Especially in a cash-strapped season due to the salary cap?

I just don't get the concept of paying big money to two RB's. RB's these days, are a dime a dozen so to speak. You can find good ones, with the same skill set of a Bush, in a late round or even in undrafted free-agents.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Forte (myself included), he is an all-purpose, every-down back who a team CAN afford to keep on the field for 75% of the snaps. When he needs a break, you don't need a Michael Bush to "spell" him, you just need a guy with a hard-nosed running style who can not only pick up the tough yards, but also help wear down a defense to close the game out. I'm not saying Bush doesn't have any value...I'm saying that if you can get something significant in return for him and also free up some additional cap space, then you do it! You then fill his roster spot with a younger, cheaper option in the mold I mentioned above.

I will go out on a limb and say that with Trestman calling plays etc., that no one will even notice Bush being on the roster (like I didn't notice him last season), unless Forte gets hurt. I just can't help but think that even then, a young, hungry RB could do just as well (or better), than the almost 30 year Bush.

So, if "RB's are a dime a dozen" and can be had in "a late round or UDFA", then why would another team give up a "mid round pick or two" for a 30 year old Bush?  If they can swing it, kudos, just don't see it happening.

I agree that it wasn't ideal to sign him to that contract and tie up that much money in the RB position.  But, at this point, it is what it is.  He is more than likely to be a Bear next year and can be valuable to the offense.  He still has 3M in signing bonus money due, another 1.1M in possible miscellaneous bonus money due and his contract salary escalates to 1.5M this year but then to 2.8M in 2014 and 3.5M in 2015.  No other team is going to take that contract on in a trade IMO.

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And that's my point. If you can trade him for a mid-round draft pick, then do it. I don't think the can because of what I mentioned above, but IF the opportunity pops up then they should jump all over it.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 8:01 PM

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IRUSHTHROUGH wrote: Here is my crack at the mock draft, I usually hate even attempting them until after FA since all the teams needs will change based on what transpires:

Round 1:  Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford..........it could be possible to even trade back a few spots and still get him....I won't include a specific trade for the purposes of the mock
Round 2:  Barrett Jones, G/C, Alabama.......... I really think he could still be there at 50
Round 4:  Nico Johnson, ILB, Alabama.......... Although a run stuffing ILB, I think he is athletic enough to man the MLB spot in the Tampa 2.  It might be a stretch for him to be here, but the Ertz possible trade scenario could account for this
Round 5:  William Gholston, DE, MSU.............. Peppers is aging, this kid has the physical tools to potentially replace him in a couple of years if he works hard and hones his skills.  He is my "MY GUY" for a mid-to-late prospect...boom or bust
Round 6:  Brennan Williams, OT, NC............ the labrum injury might push him down boards but he is worthy of a 6th round flier due to his massive potential

UDFA Target:  Marquess Wilson, WR, Washington State.  In 2011 he was in the conversation for best WR in the country.  He quit on his team in 2012 which is a huge knock and probably makes him undraftable, but bring him in and see if he has the work ethic to be a pro.  The talent is there.
Ertz over Eifert? Irush, I'm speechless biggrin



 

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Posted: 2/21/2013 9:09 AM

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jimmyray78 wrote:
Ertz over Eifert? Irush, I'm speechless biggrin

Haha.  I know.  It pained me.  I would prefer Eifert (slightly), but I just have a feeling it will be Ertz for some reason.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 5:29 PM

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Efiert separated himself from other TEs in the draft at the combine. I really think the Bears should take this kid with the 20th pick.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 5:49 PM

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Efiert separated himself from other TEs in the draft at the combine. I really think the Bears should take this kid with the 20th pick.

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I agree 100%.

Though, I really like Ertz, I think Eifert is just too good of a player to pass up at #20 IF he's there.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:21 PM

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I should've just stuck with my initial preference on Eifert, he performed really well today and has the tape to back it up.

Round 1:  Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame..........He is the premiere TE on tape and also in measurables now.  His go up and get it ball skills are elite.
Round 2:  Barrett Jones, G/C, Alabama.......... I really think he could still be there at 50
Round 4:  Nico Johnson, ILB, Alabama.......... Although a run stuffing ILB, I think he is athletic enough to man the MLB spot in the Tampa 2.  It might be a stretch for him to be here, but the Ertz possible trade scenario could account for this
Round 5:  William Gholston, DE, MSU.............. Peppers is aging, this kid has the physical tools to potentially replace him in a couple of years if he works hard and hones his skills.  He is my "MY GUY" for a mid-to-late prospect...boom or bust
Round 6:  Brennan Williams, OT, NC............ the labrum injury might push him down boards but he is worthy of a 6th round flier due to his massive potential

UDFA Target:  Marquess Wilson, WR, Washington State.  In 2011 he was in the conversation for best WR in the country.  He quit on his team in 2012 which is a huge knock and probably makes him undraftable, but bring him in and see if he has the work ethic to be a pro.  The talent is there.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:40 PM

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IRUSHTHROUGH wrote: I should've just stuck with my initial preference on Eifert, he performed really well today and has the tape to back it up.

Round 1:  Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame..........He is the premiere TE on tape and also in measurables now.  His go up and get it ball skills are elite.
Round 2:  Barrett Jones, G/C, Alabama.......... I really think he could still be there at 50
Round 4:  Nico Johnson, ILB, Alabama.......... Although a run stuffing ILB, I think he is athletic enough to man the MLB spot in the Tampa 2.  It might be a stretch for him to be here, but the Ertz possible trade scenario could account for this
Round 5:  William Gholston, DE, MSU.............. Peppers is aging, this kid has the physical tools to potentially replace him in a couple of years if he works hard and hones his skills.  He is my "MY GUY" for a mid-to-late prospect...boom or bust
Round 6:  Brennan Williams, OT, NC............ the labrum injury might push him down boards but he is worthy of a 6th round flier due to his massive potential

UDFA Target:  Marquess Wilson, WR, Washington State.  In 2011 he was in the conversation for best WR in the country.  He quit on his team in 2012 which is a huge knock and probably makes him undraftable, but bring him in and see if he has the work ethic to be a pro.  The talent is there.
I LOVE your first 2 picks.  The bottom 3 I'm not so sure because mainly I don't know much about them.  But a draft of Efiert, Jones and signing Albert in free agency and the Oline can become a lot better.
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