This thread kind of got started on the other board, but apparently we are here now....so..

We were talking about Emery would he/wouldn't he extend Lovie.  When would he do it, or would he possibly say...screw off I want my own coach.

According to  Boers, on the Score, who did some snooping around.....The Bears are having on going talks, and are looking to extend Lovie two years, giving him a total of 3 plus seasons after this one.

Lovie is looking for three years.

So apparently.....Phil isn't as ready to get rid of the Head Coach that some were trying to spin.

We will see.

God damn it.

Players play hard for him every week and when his starting QB is healthy, they win games together. Keep this man!

I can't name more than 4 NFL coaches I would rather have then Lovie.

Lovie Smith with Jay Cutler as a starter over the last 30 games (dating back to the start of the 2010 season):

Victories: 21.
Losses: 9.

Winning Percentage: 70%.

idiosyncronaut wrote: Lovie Smith with Jay Cutler as a starter over the last 30 games (dating back to the start of the 2010 season):

Victories: 21.
Losses: 9.

Winning Percentage: 70%.

edit: Hey now, you cherry picker!  You didn't include 2009's 7-9 record, which brings it to an actual 28-18;  61%

And how many of those losses since 2009 are against Green Bay? 6. Six losses to Green Bay.

Jay is 1-7 lifetime against Green Bay.

Since 2004 (jesus) Lovie is 75-58 for a 564%.

concealed78 wrote:

idiosyncronaut wrote: Lovie Smith with Jay Cutler as a starter over the last 30 games (dating back to the start of the 2010 season):

Victories: 21.
Losses: 9.

Winning Percentage: 70%.

edit: Hey now, you cherry picker!  You didn't include 2009's 7-9 record, which brings it to an actual 28-18;  61%

And how many of those losses since 2009 are against Green Bay? 6. Six losses to Green Bay.

Jay is 1-7 lifetime against Green Bay.

Since 2004 (jesus) Lovie is 75-58 for a 564%.

Yep, I mentioned I'm starting counting at 2010. But I think 30 games is a pretty decent sample size to call it a trend for the Jay & Lovie combination. You can't discount the 2009 season in terms of his total body of work. And I'm not immune to the idea that Jay Cutler will continue to **** the bed at times--as he has routinely done against the Green Bay Packers as you have rightly pointed out.

But in general, the last few years, this has been an incredibly successful combination. I think a lot of us see this as a playoff team. I would be shocked if we didn't make it in some form or fashion. Last year's team was a playoff caliber team, and it's only hypothetical as Jay went down, but you can't convince me that we didn't make the playoffs if Jay was starting those last 6 games of the season.

There are a few if's and but's, sure. However this is 3 straight years of, when Lovie coaches and Jay plays QB, the Bears being playoff teams and at times even looking like Super Bowl contenders.

In a league of parity and uncertainty, I think that's pretty awesome.

edit: and I'm slightly joking here (slightly), but I have two words regarding the 2009 season: RON. TURNER.

concealed78 wrote:

idiosyncronaut wrote: Lovie Smith with Jay Cutler as a starter over the last 30 games (dating back to the start of the 2010 season):

Victories: 21.
Losses: 9.

Winning Percentage: 70%.

edit: Hey now, you cherry picker!  You didn't include 2009's 7-9 record, which brings it to an actual 28-18;  61%

And how many of those losses since 2009 are against Green Bay? 6. Six losses to Green Bay.

Jay is 1-7 lifetime against Green Bay.

Since 2004 (jesus) Lovie is 75-58 for a 564%.

It's very rare for teams to have sustained success year after year. Teams go through peaks and valleys. The Bears team from that early success of '05/'06 has been basically completely restocked with the exception of a few core guys on Defense and Devin Hester.

concealed78 wrote:

idiosyncronaut wrote: Lovie Smith with Jay Cutler as a starter over the last 30 games (dating back to the start of the 2010 season):

Victories: 21.
Losses: 9.

Winning Percentage: 70%.

edit: Hey now, you cherry picker!  You didn't include 2009's 7-9 record, which brings it to an actual 28-18;  61%

And how many of those losses since 2009 are against Green Bay? 6. Six losses to Green Bay.

Jay is 1-7 lifetime against Green Bay.

Since 2004 (jesus) Lovie is 75-58 for a 564%.

I wouldn't call it "cherry picking". It's demonstrating a trend. The last 30 is more relevant to today than the last 46, the last 20 even more than the last 30, and this season more than any of the others.

All 46 Games 60% wins (28-18)
Last 30 Games 70% wins (21-9)
Last 20 Games 70% wins (14-6)
Last 10 Games 90% wins (9-1)
This season 80% wins (4-1)

Outside of his first year, Lovie has never done worse than 7-9. The day Jerry Angelo got him a legit QB and pass rushing DE, BOOM!

Last year many of the NFL talking heads were saying the Bears were the team that you dont want to see in the playoffs. Cutler(despite poor #s) was playing some of the best football in the NFL. Hottest team in the NFL. That was easily a 10-11 win team. I dont care about what they do vs Green Bay. Theyre one of 31 other teams in this league, 1 of 3 others in the division.

concealed78 wrote:

Since 2004 (jesus) Lovie is 75-58 for a 564%.

Is that tops in the NFC or second?

I don't think it's Lovie Smith per say, but his defense and his player rating system he uses when he drafts player, plus the power over the draft he has more so than other head coaches.

Let's face it, nobody really likes the defense he runs.  I mean, it works and all, but it is not very Chicago Fan friendly.  We don't want the bend but don't break defense, we want the bend the quarter back over and break his face defense.  But, you cannot argue the results.

If you want Smith as you head coach, you automatically are going to run the Cover Two defense.  And you are going to draft undersized players who are more athletic than football player.  You will never get a Ravens defense with flat out ballers, nor will you get the overpowering force of a 49ers type defense.

Personally, I am fine with Emery getting another head coach.  It's not like any other coach will not emphasize defensive turnovers and how to coach that.  I would rather draft football players first, and athletes second.

I've yet to hear a legitimate argument against Lovie. He makes slightly more in-game mistakes than an average head coach, but that is a fraction of what makes a head coach. There was the argument a while back that his defense was outdated, but that has proven totally false.

He is among the winningest head coaches in the league. He was in the NFCCG in 2010, had another really good team in 2011 before the QB got hurt, and is 4-1 in 2012. His defensive philosophy is to score points, and mindbogglingly, they actually do that every single week. Contrary to popular belief, he does a fine job making half time adjustments - it's just that people seem to use "half time adjustments" and "magically becoming a better team in the second half" interchangeably. The team seems to respect the hell out of him, and they play hard for him every single week. I have never, ever gotten the impression that anyone on the team has quit on him.

I hope he's here for a long, long time.

AngryBearsFan wrote:
Personally, I am fine with Emery getting another head coach.  It's not like any other coach will not emphasize defensive turnovers and how to coach that.  I would rather draft football players first, and athletes second.

I think one argument against that is: The veterans in this scheme are not yet done. When the key stars like Briggs and Tillman are on the obvious decline (hard to tell if Urlacher will ever get his legs under him this season or next), I'm okay with moving away from the Cover-2 at some point, which would automatically mean moving away from Lovie.

To me, it's a safe bet the the Bears Tampa/Lovie-2 will be effective enough for the next 2-3 years. This Defense still has a window to make a run this year and hopefully next year.

That's worth a Lovie contract extension to me. But hey, we'll see how this season plays out, you know. A lot can change, it's a long season and an unpredictable game.

After this next extension though, I am up for the debate that Phil Emory and Ted Phillips will have: Do we bother re-stocking this Defense for another run at the Cover-2? They have some of the key pieces to run it with youth: penetrating Under Tackle, Free Safety, Pass-Rushing Defensive End. I think it'll be a fascinating debate when it happens.

idiosyncronaut wrote:

AngryBearsFan wrote:
Personally, I am fine with Emery getting another head coach.  It's not like any other coach will not emphasize defensive turnovers and how to coach that.  I would rather draft football players first, and athletes second.

I think one argument against that is: The veterans in this scheme are not yet done. When the key stars like Briggs and Tillman are on the obvious decline, I'm okay with moving away from the Cover-2, which would automatically mean moving away from Lovie.

To me, it's a safe bet the the Bears Tampa/Lovie-2 will be effective enough for the next 2-3 years. This Defense still has a window to make a run this year and hopefully next year.

That's worth a Lovie contract extension to me. But hey, we'll see how this season plays out, you know. A lot can change, it's a long season and an unpredictable game.

It has crossed my mind more than once that replacing Urlacher with another great MLB is extremely important with Lovie as HC. If Lovie is here for a while (hopefully), we should think long and hard about taking Manti Te'o in the first. The defense isn't gonna run as smoothly with some JAG at MLB.

The defense is not Chicago Fan Friendly?

Might be one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this board.

Let's cater the defense a NFL Franchise runs based on meatball idiots.

Wow!!!

How fun is it watching the defense score 5 TD's in in 3 weeks.

Gimme a break.

Just wow!!!

ChiFan24 wrote: I've yet to hear a legitimate argument against Lovie. He makes slightly more in-game mistakes than an average head coach, but that is a fraction of what makes a head coach. There was the argument a while back that his defense was outdated, but that has proven totally false.

He is among the winningest head coaches in the league. He was in the NFCCG in 2010, had another really good team in 2011 before the QB got hurt, and is 4-1 in 2012. His defensive philosophy is to score points, and mindbogglingly, they actually do that every single week. Contrary to popular belief, he does a fine job making half time adjustments - it's just that people seem to use "half time adjustments" and "magically becoming a better team in the second half" interchangeably. The team seems to respect the hell out of him, and they play hard for him every single week. I have never, ever gotten the impression that anyone on the team has quit on him.

I hope he's here for a long, long time.

I like Lovie and would be happy to have him as coach, but if you are forcing me to find faults, I would say. Terrible with challenges, makes bad time management decisions, but MOST importantly - only one playoff appearance in the last five seasons.

If you watch enough football from around the league....the criticism of his challenges are highly overrated.

Look at some of the goofs coaching right now

Hell Rex Ryan...everyone wanted a coach like Rex.

Ron Rivera....should we bring that conversation back up. How's that defense?

TexasBearsFan wrote:

ChiFan24 wrote: I've yet to hear a legitimate argument against Lovie. He makes slightly more in-game mistakes than an average head coach, but that is a fraction of what makes a head coach. There was the argument a while back that his defense was outdated, but that has proven totally false.

He is among the winningest head coaches in the league. He was in the NFCCG in 2010, had another really good team in 2011 before the QB got hurt, and is 4-1 in 2012. His defensive philosophy is to score points, and mindbogglingly, they actually do that every single week. Contrary to popular belief, he does a fine job making half time adjustments - it's just that people seem to use "half time adjustments" and "magically becoming a better team in the second half" interchangeably. The team seems to respect the hell out of him, and they play hard for him every single week. I have never, ever gotten the impression that anyone on the team has quit on him.

I hope he's here for a long, long time.

I like Lovie and would be happy to have him as coach, but if you are forcing me to find faults, I would say. Terrible with challenges, makes bad time management decisions, but MOST importantly - only one playoff appearance in the last five seasons.

Which goes back to what I was sayin'... Jerry Angelo was a problem & on top of that, Injuries..