I am not saying that this will happen or should happen but do you think there is a chance we will trade Devin Hester in the off season?  We have the same type of players in Hester and Knox so would one be traded to fill another need or picks?

Yes, they will 100% trade Hester that is a guarantee.  Especially after they made him their number one WR, gave him a contract for it and he also looks better returning punts this year.

No reason to even think of going into next season with an ok group or WRs.  Really, all we need is Knox.

....jeesh

Trade Hester? Sure, why not....

But why stop there. What about Briggs? And Tillman? And Jay Cuter.....

I brought up the idea of trading Hester and Briggs already in this thread here.  Hester is good will continue to be good, but he'll never be THE receiver we need.  Knox can already be the type of receiver Hester is so why not trade him for some value in the draft?

Same with Briggs, great guy who will be 30-years-old and on the downside of his career a lot sooner than later.  His trade stock after this year will likely be as high as it ever will be, with as well as Roach and Williams have played, why not get value for Briggs and move on from him?

ABF as far as Hester's contract is structured, it's structured so that he only gets big money as a receiver if he achieves certain levels of production as a receiver.  If he doesn't achieve the level of production required, he doesn't get paid as a number one receiver.

BrettASUSunDevils wrote:

 

 

"Same with Briggs, great guy who will be 30-years-old and on the downside of his career a lot sooner than later.  His trade stock after this year will likely be as high as it ever will be"

 

Butthead.

Will never happen.

Seems like a pointless thread to be honest.

Trading Briggs would be the dumbest thing the Bears have ever done.

Also will never happen.

What is wrong with this place these days?

Roach and Williams have played well? I guess I have been watching different games.

OK at best.

BrettASUSunDevils wrote:

I brought up the idea of trading Hester and Briggs already in this thread here.  Hester is good will continue to be good, but he'll never be THE receiver we need.  Knox can already be the type of receiver Hester is so why not trade him for some value in the draft?

 

Same with Briggs, great guy who will be 30-years-old and on the downside of his career a lot sooner than later.  His trade stock after this year will likely be as high as it ever will be, with as well as Roach and Williams have played, why not get value for Briggs and move on from him?

 

ABF as far as Hester's contract is structured, it's structured so that he only gets big money as a receiver if he achieves certain levels of production as a receiver.  If he doesn't achieve the level of production required, he doesn't get paid as a number one receiver.

Northsiders wrote:

Will never happen.

 

Seems like a pointless thread to be honest.

 

Trading Briggs would be the dumbest thing the Bears have ever done.

 

Also will never happen.

 

What is wrong with this place these days?

 

Besides being a good run defender what else does Briggs bring to the table?

1. Leadership

2. Leads team in tackles

3. Best LB on team

4. Top LB in league

5. Best defender on our team

I guess if we want to totally blow up our D and wait 2-3 years to be decent at all it makes sense.

Actually, he's the only LB we really have that's worth a damn.

BrettASUSunDevils wrote:

 

Northsiders wrote:

Will never happen.

 

Seems like a pointless thread to be honest.

 

Trading Briggs would be the dumbest thing the Bears have ever done.

 

Also will never happen.

 

What is wrong with this place these days?

 

Besides being a good run defender what else does Briggs bring to the table?

Northsiders wrote:

1. Leadership

2. Leads team in tackles

3. Best LB on team

4. Top LB in league

5. Best defender on our team

 

 

I guess if we want to totally blow up our D and wait 2-3 years to be decent at all it makes sense.

 

Actually, he's the only LB we really have that's worth a damn.

 

Leadership?  If Briggs were a leader he would have stepped up and been the man to take control of the defensive play-calling and alignments instead of saying he didn't want to do it.

So leadership, no Briggs is not a leader and that situation CLEARLY makes that point.

The rest of your so-called things that Briggs brings to the table don't fit into any criteria that I didn't already cover.

So since you won't state the obvious I"ll do it for you.

Briggs is one of the worst blitzers in the league.  He brings zero pass rush to the team or defense and that really hurts his value.

He's worthless in pass coverage against TEs and RBs if he has to cover anywhere else on the field but in the flat he isn't a threat to make any plays.

My biggest problem was when he didn't take over the head set and make the defensive alignments.  For someone that whined during his contract hold out about wanting to be out of Urlacher's shadow and to be the front man of a defense he has been a disappointment.

So yes given that Briggs likely has two or three years left before his production completely falls off the map I would make a deal and trade him.

Especially if Lovie Smith is no longer here, because Briggs is a weak-side Tampa-2 LB only.  Slide him into just about any other defense and ask him to do more than what his role here in Chicago is and he's going to be that good run defender and nothing else.

I'd be willing to trade Hester for a Brandon Marshall or other quality receiver who may be on the outs with there team.

  I'll tell you what,unless Tommie Harris reverts back to the disruptive force he once was,he'd be on the trading block at season's end.If I could squeeze a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him he'd be gone.There are some teams out there that value high profile names(T.B.,Denver,Wash.Oakland,N.E.)that might be willing to take the risk.Here's a dream trade Harris and Hester to Denver for Marshall and a 2nd round draft pick.But even if that were to happen we still need to lose the coaching staff.They are pathetic and the main cause of this teams underachieving.

I have to agree about trading Briggs this offseason.  I brought this up in another thread already.  The main reason is that the D is going to be bad with or without him.  Lets not kid ourselves about him being a game changer.  He is a very good LB, but he isn't a game changer.  We need an O lineman.  Getting 1st round picks for players isn't easy, but Briggs could "possibly" get us one and if he can, then he needs to be traded.  That pick should then be turned into the best O lineman available. 

I love Briggs and he is the best player on our D, but the bottomline is that by the time our D gets its act together, Briggs won't be the Briggs we know now.  He is being wasted.  It would be extremely smart to trade him because keeping Cutler upright and actally giving our RB's a chance is what should be number 1 on the agenda right now. 

Trade your best Linebacker is foolishness, trading Hester is just plain stupid. Trades will be made none the less. Urlacher could be one of them; unless some kind of fire is lit under Tommie's ass  he could be another not that we could get anything for him,  Nick Roachor Hunter are more of a possiblity than Lance.

Why would it be foolishness if the defense if going to be bad with or without him?  Truely think about that.  This is now an offensive leauge and he isn't a game changer, nor does he play a position that is that hard to replace.  If you want to get real technical, I don't even know if he could get us back a 1st rounder.  He is a solid player, but he isn't a franchise QB, DE, DT, or OT.    The truth is that LB's and RB's are now more replaceable than ever. 

I know some people have a hard time fathoming letting a good player go.  However, in today's NFL, you have to stay ahead of the game by trading players like Lance a year or 2 too early as opposed to a year or 2 too late.  The only reason we are talking about this is because we are a mediocre team and that really does make a difference because the time it is going to take to get back on top, a player like Lance could be replaced by some young 3rd rounder because of the position he plays. 

Ufan you bring up valid points.Look at Billichick with the Pats.He's let some quality people walk because he understands that it is a business.Why overpay when you might be able to bring somone else in that  is better.Loyalty is an overated commodity.This is why I questioned angelo's obsession to resign your own when they do not justify the expenditure.Tommie Harris was injured when angelo resigned him.Now I'm all for resigning a player who's giving the team a discount,however,at the time I believe Harris signed a contract that made him the highest paid DT in the league.That was just plain dumb.

I think we have bigger concerns on the team than worrying about the WR position.  That being said, I'm not at all against trading Hester if you got the correct value for him.  I also think that Knox can fit the #2 WR role quite well and we can happily move Bennett to the slot.  We would still need a #1 overall WR, which I would prefer to be a prototype #1.  A 6'4" giant with great hands and a big enough body to come down with the jump ball.

mmontalto wrote:

I think we have bigger concerns on the team than worrying about the WR position.  That being said, I'm not at all against trading Hester if you got the correct value for him.  I also think that Knox can fit the #2 WR role quite well and we c

Yan happily move Bennett to the slot.  We would still need a #1 overall WR, which I would prefer to be a prototype #1.  A 6'4" giant with great hands and a big enough body to come down with the jump ball.

2011 draft A.J Green from Georgia or Julius Jones from Alabama?  Which player do you want?  I'm willing to make this team worse temporarily to make it better for the long haul.

Yeah I know it sounds crazy but there is some young talent that is up and coming that are going to be difference makers in the NFL.  So if the Bears are in better position to land a guy like Green or Jones...I think we jump on it.

I don't want to trade away Hester, interestingly enough I wanted to try and use him as trade bate for Boldin last offseason but now that it appears that he's starting to click at WR I would really like to keep him around. If a good enough deal were on the table though it'd be tough to say no.

Briggs is perfect trade bate. This is exactly when you want to trade a player like Briggs. You'd have to get a good deal for him though. I'd want a 1st... anything less than that and it'd be iffy. 2nd and conditional 4th/5th could be tempting. UFan is correct 4-3 OLBers aren't anything special, they're like RBs. If Briggs were willing to shift to the middle earlier this season and take charge of this defense he'd be worth a ton more to me, but he clearly doesn't want to... probably because he can't. 4-3 Mikes are LBs that you don't trade away, the guys on the outside though are nothing special. Briggs is good no doubt, and I'd hate to see him go but if he fetches a 1st rounder you'd be foolish not to take it. He likely wouldn't garner that though so I probably wouldn't end up trading him. Its a good situation, you shop him around in private and if you don't have any interest well then you end up keeping a good player anyways.

Olsen is an interesting trade prospect. I really liked K Davis was looking pretty good early this season, but the past 2 games he's been a no show. If K Davis starts making plays again as the season goes on though I think the Bears might want to start testing Olsen's market value. Then you'd work things just like you did with Clark and Olsen the past two seasons. Clark will be the starter and K Davis will be your #2.