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Bears Release First Depth Chart of Season

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Posted: 9/2/2014 12:33 PM

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Posted: 9/2/2014 1:05 PM

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Charles Leno listed as the swing tackle. I don't like it. If something happens to Bushrod, does anyone have confidence he can step in and play LT? Letting Britton go was a mistake.

If Conte is cleared to play Sunday, it sounds like he will be the starter.



 

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Posted: 9/2/2014 1:19 PM

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jimmyray78 wrote: Charles Leno listed as the swing tackle. I don't like it. If something happens to Bushrod, does anyone have confidence he can step in and play LT? Letting Britton go was a mistake.
I believe that's a formality more than anything. Michael Ola is the swing tackle and backup guard. De la puente would be next in line at guard if ola is called into action I'd imagine

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Posted: 9/2/2014 1:22 PM

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The only thing I might quibble about is carrying 4 running backs. I would have rather saved that spot for extra depth at a position on defense, preferably safety or linebacker.

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Posted: 9/2/2014 2:42 PM

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For the first time since 1998, Pat Manelly will not be snapping the ball.  Weird.

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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:00 PM

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Looks like they have to revise it already:  Wilson on temp IR and Hayden re-signed.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:39 PM

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jimmyray78 wrote: Charles Leno listed as the swing tackle. I don't like it. If something happens to Bushrod, does anyone have confidence he can step in and play LT? Letting Britton go was a mistake.
I believe that's a formality more than anything. Michael Ola is the swing tackle and backup guard. De la puente would be next in line at guard if ola is called into action I'd imagine
I don't trust Ola at LT either. That's asking a lot from a guy who was in the CFL last year.



 

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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:52 PM

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jimmyray78 wrote:
NeckbeardUK wrote:
jimmyray78 wrote: Charles Leno listed as the swing tackle. I don't like it. If something happens to Bushrod, does anyone have confidence he can step in and play LT? Letting Britton go was a mistake.
I believe that's a formality more than anything. Michael Ola is the swing tackle and backup guard. De la puente would be next in line at guard if ola is called into action I'd imagine
I don't trust Ola at LT either. That's asking a lot from a guy who was in the CFL last year.
I agree exactly which is why I'm bummed that they brought back Hayden instead of Britton.  But I've still got my fingers crossed and I'd give odds that the Bears roster is still not set.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 5:40 PM

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I have faith in Trestman making the right decisions in terms of offense personnel. 

Trestman seems like he has more specific blueprint for each position and flexibility plays into that more than with many other coaches in my opinion. (lovie smith)  Our cast of TE in preseason are an example of that.

I definitely have opinions about the individuals on the offensive line, but I also believe that Trestman likely has far more informed decisions about his offensive line as a unit than we are capable of given what we know.  

Even something like the playbook can make a given technique or skillset more important than another. That's not something we can assess at this point, but he obviously can.  However, I see trestman as being meticulous enough that he is factoring in those kinds of things when it comes down to the lower end of the depth chart for the offensive line.

Also, I think it might be best to have more flexibility with defensive personnel than offensive given the question marks on defense. Fuller hasn't even played his first game at corner and was injured in preseason. So, having hayden back in the mix doesn't seem all that bad a move. (given our current options)

Risk assessment would seem to suggest that our cbs are the larger risk for something to go wrong. ie.. tillman decline or injury. Fuller injury persists or does't perform at level expected. 

Secondary as a whole is where I'd think our largest risks lie.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 5:48 PM

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I said before preseason that our secondary will be terrible again and got blasted for it.

I stand by it.


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Secondary as a whole is where I'd think our largest risks lie.

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Posted: 9/2/2014 6:17 PM

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FloridaBearsFan wrote: I said before preseason that our secondary will be terrible again and got blasted for it.

I stand by it.


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Secondary as a whole is where I'd think our largest risks lie.

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I'm with you on the downside.

My only reason for being optimistic is that if Peanut is healthy and Fuller steps up as a solid cover guy, that goes a long way towards minimizing our deficiency at safety. Defensive line pressure and run stop ability can also maximize the limited talent at safety.

Bostic vs Urlacher is also another factor in why the safeties are a little more vulnerable than before he left. Urlacher had alot of speed and smarts to make up for lack of talent at safety. 

So... Bostic improves. Defensive Line improves. Peanut and Fuller are solid. That will improve safety play and flexibility significantly. Not saying it's enough,  but doesn't take much to improve what we saw last season.

Peanut going down and our CB depth being non-existent, no urlacher , briggs down, middle of line unable to stop run, created a perfect storm to full exposure of our sub par safeties. haha. 

Not saying we should have kept urlacher by the way, just saying that Bostic as compared to a healthy Urlacher was a significant part of the perfect storm.

My optimism is somewhat akin to a house of cards, i'll agree. :)

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Posted: 9/2/2014 6:28 PM

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Good, I'm glad they brought back some extra secondary depth while Wilson is on IR.


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Looks like they have to revise it already:  Wilson on temp IR and Hayden re-signed.

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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:02 PM

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Bears are an offensive team now, so their biggest risks are on offense: no backup LT or FB (or QB?).  Remember when assessing risk that the Bears nearly (shoulda) made the playoffs last year with no defense whatsoever.

The Bears' biggest weaknesses remain on defense.  I'm worried that Seeters assessment of Allen as a "steaming pile" might prove correct.  I haven't seen much of him this year (who has? other than Bears' coaches who will understandably be suffering cognative dissonance).  I just hope they can ignore the money and bench him in favor of Scott if the need arises.

LBs will not be great, and I still don't know anything positive about Tucker's concepts, but many modern teams have discovered how to survive with mediocre LBs in run stoppage and pass coverage.

I worry (from past experience which is no predictor of the future) that Tillman is too slow and/or fragile to play any more.  Teams have caught on to his strategy of allowing the catch then stripping the ball (in fact this now happens more often against the Bears than for them).  I worry that Jennings has been paid (and now has a convenient booboo).

I'm reassured by the knowledge that Lovie started a rookie DB in 6 of his first 8 years, 5 of them safeties.  The importance of safeties might be overrated.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:05 PM

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Right. Corner isn't my concern. Tillman while old was still doing well before getting hurt. If he goes down I'm trying to be optimistic that our first rounder can deliver.

It's the LB and safety position that I beleive will be another disaster.

In addition to my (and I quote) "gloom and doom opinions" of the secondary, I'm not sold on the Dline like everyone else is. Seems like a crap shoot to me. But, to that point I digress until the real games start, maybe the line will surprise me.

Now the secondary, nope. And then there is Tucker......eh, another thread.

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FloridaBearsFan wrote: I said before preseason that our secondary will be terrible again and got blasted for it.

I stand by it.


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Secondary as a whole is where I'd think our largest risks lie.

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I'm with you on the downside.

My only reason for being optimistic is that if Peanut is healthy and Fuller steps up as a solid cover guy, that goes a long way towards minimizing our deficiency at safety. Defensive line pressure and run stop ability can also maximize the limited talent at safety.

Bostic vs Urlacher is also another factor in why the safeties are a little more vulnerable than before he left. Urlacher had alot of speed and smarts to make up for lack of talent at safety. 

So... Bostic improves. Defensive Line improves. Peanut and Fuller are solid. That will improve safety play and flexibility significantly. Not saying it's enough,  but doesn't take much to improve what we saw last season.

Peanut going down and our CB depth being non-existent, no urlacher , briggs down, middle of line unable to stop run, created a perfect storm to full exposure of our sub par safeties. haha. 

Not saying we should have kept urlacher by the way, just saying that Bostic as compared to a healthy Urlacher was a significant part of the perfect storm.

My optimism is somewhat akin to a house of cards, i'll agree. :)

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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:08 PM

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Let's make sure it's clear. Seeters said he'd be a steaming pile of dead money by the end of his contract.

And I'm pretty sure I was the only other person on this entire board to have the same opinion.

And I stand by it.

By the way, Tillman wasn't too slow when he got hurt. That's entirely false. He was having a great year until he got hurt.

Fragile now, maybe. Slow is unfounded at this point.
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Bears are an offensive team now, so their biggest risks are on offense: no backup LT or FB (or QB?).  Remember when assessing risk that the Bears nearly (shoulda) made the playoffs last year with no defense whatsoever.

The Bears' biggest weaknesses remain on defense.  I'm worried that Seeters assessment of Allen as a "steaming pile" might prove correct.  I haven't seen much of him this year (who has? other than Bears' coaches who will understandably be suffering cognative dissonance).  I just hope they can ignore the money and bench him in favor of Scott if the need arises.

LBs will not be great, and I still don't know anything positive about Tucker's concepts, but many modern teams have discovered how to survive with mediocre LBs in run stoppage and pass coverage.

I worry (from past experience which is no predictor of the future) that Tillman is too slow and/or fragile to play any more.  Teams have caught on to his strategy of allowing the catch then stripping the ball (in fact this now happens more often against the Bears than for them).  I worry that Jennings has been paid (and now has a convenient booboo).

I'm reassured by the knowledge that Lovie started a rookie DB in 6 of his first 8 years, 5 of them safeties.  The importance of safeties might be overrated.

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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:12 PM

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I'm with you there. 4 RBs surprised me.
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The only thing I might quibble about is carrying 4 running backs. I would have rather saved that spot for extra depth at a position on defense, preferably safety or linebacker.

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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:27 PM

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FloridaBearsFan wrote:

In addition to my (and I quote) "gloom and doom opinions" of the secondary, I'm not sold on the Dline like everyone else is. Seems like a crap shoot to me. But, to that point I digress until the real games start, maybe the line will surprise me. 

I'm right with you on that, DL is still a big question mark. I am optimistic, only because I have seen flashes of life at times in terms of individual players and Jared Allen I believe is significant upgrade from Peppers. I am less optimistic about them stopping the run than pressuring the QB.  Which doesn't put us that far ahead of what happened last year on DL.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:30 PM

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Surprised that Carey is bumped up to second string now. Didn't think he had beaten Droughn out of that spot yet.

Also surprised to see Conte at second sting SS. Thought he was going to start at free. Conte is not a fit at "strong" safety IMO.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:42 PM

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Who is seeters ? 

I think Jared Allen beyond this year is definitely a risk. But seeing him actually play in a real game will be the best way to gauge this year with any confidence. 

I don't think I'd debate year 2 and beyond as a trip to vegas. If the drop off is immediate, yeah.. this years outlook and money situation in future get really ugly, really quick.

But, till I see some dropoff , I'd be betting on him being a plus this year. My impression is he wants a ring, and that's the mindset you want.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 7:42 PM

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njc41980 wrote: Surprised that Carey is bumped up to second string now. Didn't think he had beaten Droughn out of that spot yet.

Also surprised to see Conte at second sting SS. Thought he was going to start at free. Conte is not a fit at "strong" safety IMO.

I think he's in that spot due to his injury status if I recall correctly.  If he's ready to go, I'd think he'd be the starter on Sunday.

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