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Bears attempt to trade for safety or returner before final cut

Posted: 8/31/2014 8:19 PM

Bears attempt to trade for safety or returner before final cut 


I saw a post on here where someone mentioned the Bears might be looking to trade before deadline for safety or return man. 

It was theorized that maybe we could trade someone from our defensive line.

Now that the deadline is past and apparently there is nothing available via waivers that solve our safety deficiency, I am wondering what the value of Fales might be on the market and if Trestman is even open to that.

I am not too keen on trading any of our defensive line talent, or even any of our defensive talent period. We saw glimpses of positive things from DL guys individually, but it was pre-season and the new defense is very much a question mark in itself.

I don't know if we'll ever know, but would be interesting to know :

Who the bears were floating as trade bait 
If any teams made any kind of offer at all
If Fales came up in any of those conversations.

I'd say Fales out of all our players on the roster,  is one that if we could work a deal with, we would least likely end up needing during season. So what is his future worth to Trestman ? What is it worth to other teams in the league ? 

If we do get in a worst case scenario this year where Cutler goes down, it now seems likely Palmer would be available. 

My main fear is that we rob peter to pay paul in a deal involving a defensive lineman for a safety.

Bonus in this situation is we  open up another roster spot by going with 2 QB if fales is in the trade.

Last edited 8/31/2014 8:21 PM by bearlysatisfied

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Posted: 8/31/2014 8:33 PM

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Why exactly is any team giving up anything for Fales?

Posted: 8/31/2014 9:20 PM

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Why exactly were the Bears worried about the potential of losing Fales via waivers ?  because they believed there was no interest ? 

Do I think there's potential that a team out there might possibly  be interested in him as a part of a deal.

Sure.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 9:35 PM

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Because picking up a 3rd QB project for nothing is completely different then actually giving up something of substance.

Was this a trick question?

Posted: 8/31/2014 9:47 PM

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gcoop33 wrote: Because picking up a 3rd QB project for nothing is completely different then actually giving up something of substance.

Was this a trick question?

Every player has value, and as they progress, that value increases. (or decreases)

Any number of Rookie QB's could be seen as a "3rd QB project", and have greater value than a safety upgrade for our team.


What does Jim Harbaugh have to say about fales ? 

"I'm a big fan," Harbaugh said, according to the Sacramento Bee. "My personal evaluation of this class has David in the top five."

Once a player is seen playing on the NFL level, evaluations change. By the time preseason is over, the value of any given QB changes based on how they play. 


Any team can value a given player at higher than another team, and make a deal accordingly. 

I'll just take it as you are saying that Fales has no value at the moment to anybody but us.


Last edited 8/31/2014 9:51 PM by bearlysatisfied

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Posted: 8/31/2014 9:55 PM

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You'd be lucky to get a conditional 6th rd pick....he has no trade value right now.

Posted: 8/31/2014 10:13 PM

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Haha, ala patriots ?

Well, I'm saying this... I think fales has more value on the market than most of our safeties at the moment.

The right team looking for a 3rd QB project to start now, and not next draft,  might happen to have depth at safety and a better option than what we currently have.

Isn't that how trades work ? 

I'm not suggesting we would be looking for a pro-bowler.  

At this point, we just need better.

Last edited 8/31/2014 10:14 PM by bearlysatisfied

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Posted: 8/31/2014 10:18 PM

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Maybe your grasp of how trades in the NFL work is lacking..... But Fales has no trade value. Sorry

Posted: 8/31/2014 10:23 PM

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Are you suggesting that a young qb has never been traded for anything more than a conditional 6th round pick ?
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Posted: 8/31/2014 10:35 PM

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I am suggesting that a 6th rd QB who didn't do much of anything in Tc/preseason and was borderline to even make the 53 has no trade value.

Keeping him for the fear of another team claiming him for nothing does not equal trade value. Just proves that a. Team could possibly pick him if he was to be had for free.


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Are you suggesting that a young qb has never been traded for anything more than a conditional 6th round pick ?

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Posted: 8/31/2014 11:07 PM

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Ok.. so, lets take a 7th round draft pick, Ahmad Dixon of the Cowboys.

If that trade was available... would it be doable ? 

Would it improve our group of safeties ? 

He's a 7th rounder who is on a 53 man roster. 


Not saying he would or wouldn't improve our crew at this point... or that this is a potential trade at  the moment.

If he did improve our team at safety... And we had the option to trade fales. Would that be feasible ?


If so... and they had a need for a QB project, and felt they had significant depth at safety.. might they be interested potentially in such a trade ?
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Posted: 8/31/2014 11:15 PM

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It's an idea worth considering.  If there is a team out there that likes Fales and would part with a quality prospect, It would make sense.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 11:19 PM

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Pipe dream.

No one is trading anything for an unproven third string QB.

Even if someone did want him, he's our project. He's worth more to us than to anyone else.

Let it go man.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 11:24 PM

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njc41980 wrote: Pipe dream.

No one is trading anything for an unproven third string QB.

Even if someone did want him, he's our project. He's worth more to us than to anyone else.

Let it go man.
I agree with that to a point. 

We are now on the brink of regular season, and apparently we aren't as satisfied with our safeties as we expected.

How important is that ? 

Heck.. We likely could have drafted Ahmad Dixon, right ? 

Had we known this would have been the case then, might we have drafted a safety at 6 ? 

But to suggest that this kind of trade logic I detailed in last post is not legitimate... uh.. :/
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Posted: 8/31/2014 11:24 PM

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We all understand that this isn't a likely prospect.  But there may be a team that puts value on Fales.  Again, it's all a big IF.  So no need to get too upset about the prospect of it happening.

Posted: 8/31/2014 11:32 PM

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It's all about what each team decides they need NOW. Injuries happen. Players are not what you expected.. progress slower. etc etc.

Heck, we are scouring waivers i'm sure looking for the scraps of the league.

How important is improving our safety position?

Seems enough that we supposedly putting that out there before the roster deadline.

Posted: 8/31/2014 11:34 PM

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jago56 wrote: We all understand that this isn't a likely prospect.  But there may be a team that puts value on Fales.  Again, it's all a big IF.  So no need to get too upset about the prospect of it happening.
What trade doesn't start with an "if" ?

That's what they are about. 

There are alot of teams that place no value on Ahmad Dixon at the moment. Why ? Because they don't have a need for a safety. right ? 

Kind of confused that what I have said here has not been "grasped".
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Posted: 8/31/2014 11:38 PM

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bearlysatisfied wrote:
jago56 wrote: We all understand that this isn't a likely prospect.  But there may be a team that puts value on Fales.  Again, it's all a big IF.  So no need to get too upset about the prospect of it happening.
What trade doesn't start with an "if" ?

That's what they are about. 

There are alot of teams that place no value on Ahmad Dixon at the moment. Why ? Because they don't have a need for a safety. right ? 

Kind of confused that what I have said here has not been "grasped".
I was actually agreeing with you that it's an idea worth considering, even if it's not likely.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 12:02 AM

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Wouldn't it be easier to address this in the same thread???

Not trying to be a jerk but let's reduce the clutter.

And by the way, Fales has no value.
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Last edited 9/1/2014 12:07 AM by Northsiders

Posted: 9/1/2014 12:02 AM

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jago56 wrote:
bearlysatisfied wrote:
jago56 wrote: We all understand that this isn't a likely prospect.  But there may be a team that puts value on Fales.  Again, it's all a big IF.  So no need to get too upset about the prospect of it happening.
What trade doesn't start with an "if" ?

That's what they are about. 

There are alot of teams that place no value on Ahmad Dixon at the moment. Why ? Because they don't have a need for a safety. right ? 

Kind of confused that what I have said here has not been "grasped".
I was actually agreeing with you that it's an idea worth considering, even if it's not likely.
Yeah, I didn't take offense to what you said. I wasn't upset about it happening or not. 

Just find it odd I have someone telling me I don't grasp what a trade is and how it could potentially apply to our situation.  Kudos to Emery for floating the trade (if it's true). This post was more about what angle they might be approaching it from.

It certainly would give further insight into how they view this roster and what perspective they have on fales.

I know everyone on these types of forums have their own ideas. Kind of a little surprised that suggesting a slight backtracking in what we did in the draft to adjust for a lack at safety is so radical.

Emery not waiving Fales could even potentially be for the specific reason of preserving trade value. If they waive him, he gets picked up for free as gcoop suggested. That gives us nothing.

However, if interest was shown that potentially gets you what you want, but not something they were prepared to move on until after waivers - that's a reason to keep fales on your roster. 

I think Trestman and Emery want to hold onto fales, however sometimes when a given are is lacking far worse than you expected at the time of the draft... you might just adjust.
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