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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:14 AM

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Not to be a hater, hoping I'm wrong in the long term here but....................

Did anybody see Jay yelling/gesturing at the sidelines when either Trestman or Kromer didn't get the call in as quick as he wanted it?   I realize, the clock is running, and Jay needs the play in ASAP as the Q.B. and the leader, BUT....

In a meaningless FIRST PRE-season game, and after all the $ Chicago threw at him, he's still got the attitude?

I know that it's one play, and most of you don't think it's a problem, but MOST non-Bears fans, AND a lot of Bears fans continue to think his attitude is crap.  Not that a crap attitude can't win a S.B., but it sure doesn't make him loved as a teammate or player IMO.

Supporters here will scream that 'body language', demeanor, etc. don't impede performance, and that Brady, Manning, etc. have outbursts too.

However, those Q.B.'s are generally liked/ respected by teammates and fans alike, while Jay continues down the path (or image) of the whiny, doesn't care, po'd  person that most outsiders think of him as having.

Still pulling for him and our Bears, I just don't think he'll ever put it all together as the true leader we all hope him to be.  I hope I'm very wrong..
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:25 AM

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His exact words were "what the fvck are you doing?"

His teammates like him just fine, saying otherwise is just engaging in spreading media hyped bullshit. Locker room cancers and bad teammates that no one likes playing with don't get elected to team captain.

As far as the rest of it....body language, fans don't like it, media don't like it, you don't like it.....

DOOOOOOOOOOON'T CAAAAAAAAAAAAARE!
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:33 AM

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chicago bear jim wrote:

Did anybody see Jay yelling/gesturing at the sidelines when either Trestman or Kromer didn't get the call in as quick as he wanted it?   I realize, the clock is running, and Jay needs the play in ASAP as the Q.B. and the leader, BUT....

In a meaningless FIRST PRE-season game, and after all the $ Chicago threw at him, he's still got the attitude?

On one hand: Yah he could relax or maybe let them know without being a dick about it. On the other hand: even in a meaningless preseason game, Jay cares enough about the snap and enough about getting the play in quick to give it a chance to be successful as he apparently does in a regular season game.

So, giant a**hole, or ultra competitive leader by example? Both?
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:34 AM

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Ever seen Tom Brady rip into one of his coaches or players? Or Peyton Manning ripping into RB for missing a block or a WR for running the wrong route? Cuz I have...several times. What about Rodgers getting into it on national tv with his HC?

It happens and the only reason this is even being brought up is because it's Jay Cutler and not one of the media darlings that I mentioned above.

Point being, this is a non-issue. Nothing to see here....no offense.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:35 AM

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For the record, I'm a total Cutler apologist and as long as he's wearing a Bears uniform, he'll be "our *******", to me.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:43 AM

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chicago bear jim wrote: Not to be a hater, hoping I'm wrong in the long term here but....................

Did anybody see Jay yelling/gesturing at the sidelines when either Trestman or Kromer didn't get the call in as quick as he wanted it?   I realize, the clock is running, and Jay needs the play in ASAP as the Q.B. and the leader, BUT....

In a meaningless FIRST PRE-season game, and after all the $ Chicago threw at him, he's still got the attitude?

I know that it's one play, and most of you don't think it's a problem, but MOST non-Bears fans, AND a lot of Bears fans continue to think his attitude is crap.  Not that a crap attitude can't win a S.B., but it sure doesn't make him loved as a teammate or player IMO.

Supporters here will scream that 'body language', demeanor, etc. don't impede performance, and that Brady, Manning, etc. have outbursts too.

However, those Q.B.'s are generally liked/ respected by teammates and fans alike, while Jay continues down the path (or image) of the whiny, doesn't care, po'd  person that most outsiders think of him as having.

Still pulling for him and our Bears, I just don't think he'll ever put it all together as the true leader we all hope him to be.  I hope I'm very wrong..
   I can't speak to whether or not you are wrong....but i will say that everyone and everything you spoke of was total crap. 
   First of all, being a hardcore competitor and expecting performance from those around you, including the coaches, does not constitute  a bad attitude. It happens to be just the attitude i want to have on my team and anyone that is bothered by that obviously has the kind of attitude i would not want in my locker room.
  And, secondly. The whole "don't care" crap is just made up nonsense. He shows and has said that he does not care what the fans or media think or say. So has just about every coach or player that has ever been in the game. Cutler just did not wrap it up in politically correct bullshit like most. So, the worst he is guilty of is being honest and not perpetrating the exact crap that most of us claim to abhor. 
   This kind of nonsense is popular for one reason alone. The majority of the American Public is ignorant and eat this **** up. Same reason reality TV, Facebook, etc.. is so successful. People are stupid.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:49 AM

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This is such a non-issue.  Any workplace is going to have heated exchanges going on from time to time, even between bosses and underlings.  Why should anyone expect an NFL team to be different?  It was a moment of frustration in a fast paced situation.  It happens.  I don't think anyone involved (Trestman, Kromer, Cutler) dwelt on it for more than a minute.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 12:25 PM

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Maybe they should have gotten the play in quicker?
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Posted: 8/12/2014 12:25 PM

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You want the play in quick to keep the pace up and to be able to do pre snap reads.  In football I just don't see the need to be cautious of using vulgar language or hiding emotion.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 1:36 PM

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I like Cutler.

He's tough, ugly, and he doesn't care what people think.

He's a hard worker, competitive, fearless, deliberate, proud, and determined.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 2:17 PM

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Jay's job is to lead the offense. Part of that is time management. The Bears have had problems since he has arrived with getting play calls in on time. If I were him, this would be a major source of frustration for me as well.

Personally, as much as I have criticized Jay's inability to stay healthy and win a big game. I also used to criticize his inability to come back but that has been completely eliminated.

While I don't think he has matured as quickly as everyone expected, he has been put into REALLY shitty situations that were out of his control. Having to run so many different offenses over his career has really prevented him from taking the next step. 

The sky is the limit for him and I like what I'm seeing with Trestman.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 3:23 PM

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Jay yelling for the play in faster= not a leader and won't win a SB.

Jay gets paid money=. He needs to say please and thank you.

C'mon this whole thing is nonsense already.

You don't have to hope you are wrong...you are wrong.

Him yelling to get the play in does not make him a leader. It doesn't make him not a leader. It means he needs the damn play faster.

Football is a group of intense individuals and yelling is not taboo nor does it make someone a bad person. Nor does it predict his future success.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 3:32 PM

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DoubleDown11 wrote: Maybe they should have gotten the play in quicker?
End of thread.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 4:25 PM

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Yes, I want the nice and polite McCown back and we wasted money on Jay.

I know we are trying to be nicer around here so I won't respond directly to the OP.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:37 PM

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I've made up my mind that hearing about Jay Cutler's "problems" will be a permanent thing.

Even if the Super Bowl ring comes, we'll keep hearing about this sh!t.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 8:42 PM

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And the problem is that yelling at the sideline makes him a bad guy. Why?

Perception doesn't matter if your team likes you. End of story.

Was Jim mcmahon a good guy? Did the entire team love him? Did the media think he was a jerk?

Who fukin cares. He's a good citizen and doesn't cause any trouble off the field.

It's unbelievable that the nit picking continues.


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Even if the Super Bowl ring comes, we'll keep hearing about this sh!t.

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Posted: 8/13/2014 12:05 AM

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chicago bear jim wrote: Not to be a hater, hoping I'm wrong in the long term here but....................

Did anybody see Jay yelling/gesturing at the sidelines when either Trestman or Kromer didn't get the call in as quick as he wanted it?   I realize, the clock is running, and Jay needs the play in ASAP as the Q.B. and the leader, BUT....

In a meaningless FIRST PRE-season game, and after all the $ Chicago threw at him, he's still got the attitude?

I know that it's one play, and most of you don't think it's a problem, but MOST non-Bears fans, AND a lot of Bears fans continue to think his attitude is crap.  Not that a crap attitude can't win a S.B., but it sure doesn't make him loved as a teammate or player IMO.

Supporters here will scream that 'body language', demeanor, etc. don't impede performance, and that Brady, Manning, etc. have outbursts too.

However, those Q.B.'s are generally liked/ respected by teammates and fans alike, while Jay continues down the path (or image) of the whiny, doesn't care, po'd  person that most outsiders think of him as having.

Still pulling for him and our Bears, I just don't think he'll ever put it all together as the true leader we all hope him to be.  I hope I'm very wrong..
What did you want him to do stand there with his thumb up his ***, Cutler is 100% right get the damn play in quickly and don't play around. Sure it's Pre season but this is what Pre season is all about getting the timing by everyone down not just the players.


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Posted: 8/13/2014 10:43 AM

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let,s just wait and see how he plays this season before we start with the negative shots at cutler in the pre season !!!
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Posted: 8/13/2014 11:35 AM

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I don't see any big deal in it actually and I can understand Cutler's frustration.  I think I'd be the same way after a few times of not getting the play in and the clock is ticking away.  It leaves no time for adjustments at the line of scrimmage.  I yell the same thing when that and more happens - "What the F*&^ are you doing?!?"  Some might say, "Well, its just preseason.  What's he getting all worked up about'??  "Preseason" means nothing when these guys are out there playing in a live game in front of a packed house of fans.  Their competitiveness doesn't drop off any more when its just "preseason".  Besides, preseason is basically practicing for when the games count.  You practice the way you will play when its for real, whether its on the practice field or in a scrimmage, or preseason game.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:35 PM

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What happened is what happened.

What could/should have happened:

 - Jay makes a couple of innocent/normal hand gestures to the sideline once or twice.  If a play is not provided he could simply call a quick huddle, and get into a play call himself.   Thereby showcasing intelligence, leadership, mental aptitude for the offense and  superior control.

There is exactly where JC6 needs to improve.

And until he does, he will never thought of as a media darling or a legit franchise QB with occasional temper tantrums.
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