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Lovie Smiths Tampa Bay

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Posted: 8/8/2014 10:40 AM

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What do you guys think will he turn around that team? Im excited to see bears but also to see how Tampa looks when considering we play them this year. Going to be very interesting and to see how mcown looks in that offence, alot of teams to watch this year with past players coaches.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:03 AM

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I think they will hold their own. They have a fairly tough schedule though so we shall see.  That being said Josh has more trees to throw again so that will help.  Hopefully he has another successful year!   Minus when they play Chicago.

 

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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:14 AM

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He'll have better results long term than that last fool that was there for sure.

The boards here should be epic when we play them. Trestman vs. Lovie. Cutler vs. McCown.

Lol, we better win that game. Imagine this place if we don't.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:31 PM

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FloridaBearsFan wrote: He'll have better results long term than that last fool that was there for sure.

The boards here should be epic when we play them. Trestman vs. Lovie. Cutler vs. McCown.

Lol, we better win that game. Imagine this place if we don't.
True. Imagine this place when we win.  Either way this board is going to explode. Where is Star-Lord when you need him.

 

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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:35 PM

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Well, Lovie may be better in TB than what they've had before, but I don't expect much to change with him. Still won't be an offensive genius, still throw red flags at the wrong time, still won't have any TO's left. Will he have the Hester Package in play or will Hester continue to be an overpriced return man? McCown's his QB, but McCown was a product of Trestman's system and playcalling. I think McC goes back to his old self this year, depending on how much of Trestman's whispers he remembers and can use.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 12:43 PM

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I like McCown, and think he's a good guy. I think he'll be fairly successful when things are going well around him, but it will also be obvious that he's not a star when things don't go so well and he's called upon.

Lovie also is a decent guy and a decent coach, but I think his stubbornness and/or ego gets in the way of him reaching the next level. He seems incapable of putting together a competent offensive system. We'll see how good he is without having defensive stars like Urlacher.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 1:45 PM

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shark86x wrote: Well, Lovie may be better in TB than what they've had before, but I don't expect much to change with him. Still won't be an offensive genius, still throw red flags at the wrong time, still won't have any TO's left. Will he have the Hester Package in play or will Hester continue to be an overpriced return man? McCown's his QB, but McCown was a product of Trestman's system and playcalling. I think McC goes back to his old self this year, depending on how much of Trestman's whispers he remembers and can use.

 So when Josh does well it will be a product of Trestman. If he does bad, it will be  because of Lovie.  As bad as the "Hester" Package was, there really wasn't any other option. However, Hester isn't on his team, so I doubt Lovie will employ the Hester return policy.  He did have bad judgment with the Challenge flags. Won't argue that one.  That being said Trestman wasn't the best at last year either.  Lovie never was an offensive genius nor do I recall him claiming to be. He was a defensive coach. It is a fair statement to say he didn't do well picking offensive coordinators though.  That's definitely a fair assessment.   If the Bucs brought Lovie to help improve their offense that's not going to work. However, their offensive coordinator turns out to work some magic to go along with Lovie's defense, they could be really dangerous. 

This is to the person that said Lovie won't get very far(not going back to look) and can only take a team so far.  He took a pretty crappy offensive team to the SB.  Because he was such a good defensive player. Urlacher was a stud, no doubt. But Urlacher would be the first to tell you that part of that is because Lovie.  Also don't forget that if Cutler doesn't get hurt near the beginning of that game against the Packers, we might have been in that SB. We can't live on ifs I realize that, but we can't also say that Lovie COULDN'T lead team to the SB. He's done it, and almost did it again.

  It's kind of like the elite QB's deal.  People get upset with the QB's like Romo, Stafford, Cutler, and Rivers. Because they haven't led their team to SB's. They want these players off their team and get somebody new. Because apparently someone new might lead them to a SB. They act like these players don't have the talent to win a SB. Sure they do, they just need more talent around them than say guys like Brady, Rodgers, Manning, and Brees(Who still need at least some other talent).  Love is in that boat. Is he a "Elite" Coach? Of course he isn't.  Is he good enough to win the SB if he has the right talent players wise, and a offensive coordinator that fits well with his offensive players? Of course he can.

People's expectations aren't even reasonable.  I hate the Cowboys, I am not a fan of Tony Romo, but when the guy throws 30+TD's and has 10 or fewer ints, maybe he isn't the problem.  Maybe it's that terrible defense they keep trotting out there?

Same people say Cutler "isn't a winner, he can't win the SB" Really?  So having no one to throw to,  getting sacked a ton over the past several years, and a different OC every year didn't play a factor into his development as all.  None of that affected his ability to make better decisions? It's hard to think clearly when every other play you're literally on your back.  It's hard to get consistency when every year you're getting a new offensive coordinator and learning a different system.  So "CAN" he win a SB? Sure he can?  But everything needs to come together, it's not just all on him. How he does is important don't get me wrong, but others need to do their job.

In closing, While I don't think Lovie is the best coach of all time. He certainly is far from the worst, and he did a lot of great things with our Bears all things considered.   He isn't great as some people make him out to be, he also isn't as bad as some people make him out to be either.

 

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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:22 PM

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outkasted2006 wrote:
shark86x wrote: Well, Lovie may be better in TB than what they've had before, but I don't expect much to change with him. Still won't be an offensive genius, still throw red flags at the wrong time, still won't have any TO's left. Will he have the Hester Package in play or will Hester continue to be an overpriced return man? McCown's his QB, but McCown was a product of Trestman's system and playcalling. I think McC goes back to his old self this year, depending on how much of Trestman's whispers he remembers and can use.

 So when Josh does well it will be a product of Trestman. If he does bad, it will be  because of Lovie. 
If Josh does bad it will be because of Josh, I never said Josh doing bad would be Lovie's fault. I never said Lovie was bad, he's just not all that good. I love how you read things that aren't there. Is Hester not on Tampa? My bad, I thought he went there. Regardless, I don't think Lovie will do any different than he did here, and you are arguing my opinions by saying I said things I did not say. My opinions are MY opinions and are not open to argument as if they were facts. Sheesh, no wonder I rarely post anymore.
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:34 PM

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Shark it's all good. It's why I asked. I just wanted some clarification. Because honestly that's how it sounded when you said this line " I think McC goes back to his old self this year, depending on how much of Trestman's whispers he remembers and can use."

Also, I wasn't jumping down your throat, or attacking you. Figured we could have a back and forth discussion about it. 

I thought the point of forums(anywhere) was to post your OPINION on whatever the thread is, than someone else response with their opinion to said thread, and also replies to what other people have said.  Because I replied to you doesn't mean I am attacking you in anyway, or saying anything negative towards you for having an opinion?

You've always been one of the best posters here.  Always have enjoyed reading your posts. 

  If I am wrong about how forums work however, please let me know.  I will only respond with my opinion and reply to others opinions. Although, I think that might get boring after awhile. tonguetongue
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shark86x wrote: Well, Lovie may be better in TB than what they've had before, but I don't expect much to change with him. Still won't be an offensive genius, still throw red flags at the wrong time, still won't have any TO's left. Will he have the Hester Package in play or will Hester continue to be an overpriced return man? McCown's his QB, but McCown was a product of Trestman's system and playcalling. I think McC goes back to his old self this year, depending on how much of Trestman's whispers he remembers and can use.

 So when Josh does well it will be a product of Trestman. If he does bad, it will be  because of Lovie. 
If Josh does bad it will be because of Josh, I never said Josh doing bad would be Lovie's fault. I never said Lovie was bad, he's just not all that good. I love how you read things that aren't there. Is Hester not on Tampa? My bad, I thought he went there. Regardless, I don't think Lovie will do any different than he did here, and you are arguing my opinions by saying I said things I did not say. My opinions are MY opinions and are not open to argument as if they were facts. Sheesh, no wonder I rarely post anymore.

 

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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:19 PM

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Lovie is good with Defense and can do alright with an "average Joe" quarterback. He did alright with Orton.
So I'm guessing he wants to run a conservative offense that just doesn't turn it over much while creating his Defensive foundation in Tampa. I don't really expect a whole lot his first year, but I expect he'll be running a monster D in his 2nd year there.

Real question is will McCown grow a neckbeard?

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Posted: 8/8/2014 5:57 PM

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FYI some of us miss having ya post more often 'ole buddy.
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outkasted2006 wrote:
shark86x wrote: Well, Lovie may be better in TB than what they've had before, but I don't expect much to change with him. Still won't be an offensive genius, still throw red flags at the wrong time, still won't have any TO's left. Will he have the Hester Package in play or will Hester continue to be an overpriced return man? McCown's his QB, but McCown was a product of Trestman's system and playcalling. I think McC goes back to his old self this year, depending on how much of Trestman's whispers he remembers and can use.

 So when Josh does well it will be a product of Trestman. If he does bad, it will be  because of Lovie. 
If Josh does bad it will be because of Josh, I never said Josh doing bad would be Lovie's fault. I never said Lovie was bad, he's just not all that good. I love how you read things that aren't there. Is Hester not on Tampa? My bad, I thought he went there. Regardless, I don't think Lovie will do any different than he did here, and you are arguing my opinions by saying I said things I did not say. My opinions are MY opinions and are not open to argument as if they were facts. Sheesh, no wonder I rarely post anymore.

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Posted: 8/8/2014 9:22 PM

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If Lovie elevates the Bucs to where he got us, their fans would be happy. A super bowl and another NFC championship game is not sold at Walmart. 
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If Josh does bad it will be because of Josh, I never said Josh doing bad would be Lovie's fault. I never said Lovie was bad, he's just not all that good. I love how you read things that aren't there. Is Hester not on Tampa? My bad, I thought he went there. Regardless, I don't think Lovie will do any different than he did here, and you are arguing my opinions by saying I said things I did not say. My opinions are MY opinions and are not open to argument as if they were facts. Sheesh, no wonder I rarely post anymore.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 7:58 AM

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They lost their first pre season game against Jacksonville 10-16. Their first team offense with McCown sputtered and didn't score. To make matters worse he threw a pick six, got sacked twice and lost a fumble. Rookie Blake Bortles for Jax outplayed him.

I think TB is gonna suck on offense. But it's only preseason...

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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:03 AM

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2 for 4 for 20 yards and a pick six. Should have kept him as a starter here.
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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:50 AM

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It's only one preseason game but it appears that paying cutler might have been the right move...


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2 for 4 for 20 yards and a pick six. Should have kept him as a starter here.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 10:00 AM

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That's eerily similar to bears offense circa 2004-2011

Did you see his comment in the post game? Something to the tune of, "it was defense versus defense... And their defense outplayed ours".... And the one sided focus has begun.



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They lost their first pre season game against Jacksonville 10-16. Their first team offense with McCown sputtered and didn't score. To make matters worse he threw a pick six, got sacked twice and lost a fumble. Rookie Blake Bortles for Jax outplayed him.

I think TB is gonna suck on offense. But it's only preseason...

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Posted: 8/9/2014 12:08 PM

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Lies. Should've let Cutty go back to Tennessee and signed Josh to a 30mil contract and saved money! devil  Would've had more money to spend on defense at that point. tongue
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2 for 4 for 20 yards and a pick six. Should have kept him as a starter here.

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Posted: 8/9/2014 12:26 PM

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FloridaBearsFan wrote: 2 for 4 for 20 yards and a pick six. Should have kept him as a starter here.
LOL, that was good!

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Posted: 8/9/2014 4:59 PM

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I wonder what tampa bay fans felt when that fumble and pick six happend yikes

Plenty of time to correct though before we play them and the start of the season

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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:10 PM

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Yeah I definitely smirked a bit when I saw the trouble McCown had. A super nice guy but I think he struck lightening in a bottle here last year. Lovie can not field an offense to save his life. We should not be surprised. I will be shocked if McCown has a successful season. Easy for me to say, but I think Josh should have taken less money and stayed here. Cutty has not played every game in a season the past few years so he would have gotten some playing time and who doesn't want to play with B Marsh and AJ. A QB's dream for padding your stats. Plus we should be much closer to making a run than TB.
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