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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:00 PM

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I haven't heard a word about how they are looking.

Who is going to start?
How is McCellin doing?
Are they making any plays?

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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:15 PM

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Williams looking good against the run, but not expected to play on passing downs.
Jones looks athletic but raw.  He'll make the team if he can do anything at all on STs.
McClellin looks lost and tentative unless blitzing.
Greene has gotten a few props especially for an int.
Bostic doesn't seem to be progressing as much as hoped (it hasn't all clicked yet).
No mentions of Briggs' play, just his leadership and attitude.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:30 PM

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The impression I'm getting based on everything I have read and heard.

Power Rankings:

1. Lance Briggs - No-brainer. I'm more optimistic about him than I was in the off-season because there hasn't been any talk about his shoulder, during the offf-season he kind of implied that it was still not 100% and might have to be managed through the season. The fact that he hasn't even missed any practice after a week is an encouraging sign that it's not bothering him that much.

2. Jon Bostic - Even though the LB competition is said to be on-going, I don't think that when the dust settles, there will be a starting combination that doesn't include Bostic. I think the only thing in question is weather Bostic will bump Shea or Williams. Much has been made about how the linebacker keys have been changed to something that Bostic is apparently much more comfortable with. It could be just talk, the proof will be in the pudding. Apparently though, Bostic has been reported as being much improved in coverage. JS seems to think he's much further along than he was last year which should be the case.

3. D.J. Willliams - There really hasn't been anything said about him so far. I'm guessing that means he has been solid but unspectacular. Which brings us to Shea.

4. Shea McClellin - I have a hunch that the hope of the coaching staff is for Bostic to win the Mike job and for Shea to win the SAM job. Based on the footage that JS provided and the reports so far, it seems like Shea is showing alot of potential when used as a blitzing linebacker. Tucker also seems intent on using him in this way. Problem is, it also sounds like he is struggling in coverage. I understand it's early and he is learning, but I'm reluctant to give him the benefit of the doubt considering how poorly he played last year. I think if Shea improves in coverage to a point where he is at least competent, I think he'll get the starting nod so they can use him in their blitz packages. If not, they go with DJ at Mike and Bostic slides to SAM. To this point Shea hasn't proven he's anything more than a passrusher.

5. Khaseem Greene - He's been reported as making some plays. I'm interested to see if he can advance past being more than just  the backup WIL.

6. Jordan Senn - I put him here not because I think he's the 6'th best linebacker but because he's the 6'th linebacker most likely to make the team. This guy was hand picked by the staff to be a leading core special teams player. He is definitely going to make the team.

7. Christian Jones - First it was James Brown, then it was Cornelius Washington and now we have Christian Jones, highly ranked players once thought to be 3'rd rounders who tumbled through the draft and were considered bargin pickups. Don't get me wrong, I'm not down on him, I'm just not going to make the mistake of overestimating him. I'm not going to register him as a blip on the radar until I see him starting to get more 1'st/2'nd team reps.

8. DeDe Latttimore - This far down, why bother ranking guys who aren't going to make the team. There have been a few reports of him flashing here or there, I suppose that's enough to get you the 8-spot. I believe he's the 3'rd team Mike.

There you have it. Take it or leave it. Just my uninformed perceptions based on what extremely limited information I have been able to obtain to this point.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 3:37 PM

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McClellin has perhaps the worst instincts of any football player I have ever seen.  I just don't believe he can all of a sudden turn into a smart football player.

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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:54 PM

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405134 wrote: McClellin has perhaps the worst instincts of any football player I have ever seen.  I just don't believe he can all of a sudden turn into a smart football player.

I heard from some Bears beat writer on the radio today say that there is no way that Jones does not make the team.  He actually said the 6th spot was between McClellin and Greene.


Briggs
Williams
Bostic
Jones
Senn

Either Shea or Kasheem

 

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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:21 PM

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Rich Cambell on the Score.

The way the numbers look for this team....I might not be that shocked if Shea gets cut.


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405134 wrote: McClellin has perhaps the worst instincts of any football player I have ever seen.  I just don't believe he can all of a sudden turn into a smart football player.

I heard from some Bears beat writer on the radio today say that there is no way that Jones does not make the team.  He actually said the 6th spot was between McClellin and Greene.


Briggs
Williams
Bostic
Jones
Senn

Either Shea or Kasheem

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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:33 PM

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IMO Shea's still not a fit for this D. I think he's a 3-4 OLB only. He's not supposed to be taking on ots straight up or covering one on one. He's supposed to be coming off the edge or dropping back into an area. That's his skill set.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:47 PM

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Shea probably makes the team because they're going to have to eat 4-million in dead cap money if they release him.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:02 PM

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Ontherebound wrote: IMO Shea's still not a fit for this D. I think he's a 3-4 OLB only. He's not supposed to be taking on ots straight up or covering one on one. He's supposed to be coming off the edge or dropping back into an area. That's his skill set.
I agree he'd fit better in a typical 3-4 than 4-3, but I believe Tucker wants a hybrid that Shea should be perfect for except that he's almost rookie-raw at doing what's now expected of him.  But I don't see anyone else on the roster that I believe would be better in the role I believe Tucker envisions.  And Shea is supposed to be a smart player, so I'm hoping he can figure it out.
I actually had difficulty understanding your post, because you wrote "He's supposed to be coming off the edge or dropping back into an area. That's his skill set."  Exactly.  That is his skill set.  But, to date, he has insufficient experience at "dropping back."  He has that skill and speed, but he can't read his keys fast enough.  But that deficit should be coachable.  I have faith in Herring.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:11 PM

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Agreed. I've maintained from day one of the switch that it will not work. I stand by it. His cap hit is the only thing keeping him on this team.
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McClellin has perhaps the worst instincts of any football player I have ever seen.  I just don't believe he can all of a sudden turn into a smart football player.

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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:14 PM

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ghostd00d wrote:
405134 wrote: McClellin has perhaps the worst instincts of any football player I have ever seen.  I just don't believe he can all of a sudden turn into a smart football player.

I heard from some Bears beat writer on the radio today say that there is no way that Jones does not make the team.  He actually said the 6th spot was between McClellin and Greene.


Briggs
Williams
Bostic
Jones
Senn

Either Shea or Kasheem

Kaseem has been good so far in TC...so it makes it hard to decide which of the two makes it.  If McClellin's value is only in blitz packages, does he still make the team?  I also think his football instincts are crap.

BTW, I heard on ESPN yesterday that Clinton-Dix is behind in the chart, behind last year's 5th round pick safety...LOL.  How do you like that Anytime? BWAHAHAHA
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Posted: 8/1/2014 10:01 PM

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638507 wrote:
Ontherebound wrote: IMO Shea's still not a fit for this D. I think he's a 3-4 OLB only. He's not supposed to be taking on ots straight up or covering one on one. He's supposed to be coming off the edge or dropping back into an area. That's his skill set.
I agree he'd fit better in a typical 3-4 than 4-3, but I believe Tucker wants a hybrid that Shea should be perfect for except that he's almost rookie-raw at doing what's now expected of him.  But I don't see anyone else on the roster that I believe would be better in the role I believe Tucker envisions.  And Shea is supposed to be a smart player, so I'm hoping he can figure it out.
I actually had difficulty understanding your post, because you wrote "He's supposed to be coming off the edge or dropping back into an area. That's his skill set."  Exactly.  That is his skill set.  But, to date, he has insufficient experience at "dropping back."  He has that skill and speed, but he can't read his keys fast enough.  But that deficit should be coachable.  I have faith in Herring.
What I meant by that was, I think in a base 4-3 he'll end up too often in single coverage against a RB or TE, or responsible for a larger area of the field on downs they play zone.  In a 3-4 he'd usually drop into a smaller area of responsibility and cut down on putting him in a situation he might struggle.  Just think a 3-4 would cut down on playing into his weakness.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 12:10 PM

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Seems like Jones has to be on 53 squad. He'd get snapped off waivers in a minute if put on PS ( like we did with Bass last year ). Lattimore probably goes on PS.

So, it's Briggs, Williams, Bostic, Senn for ST, Jones, ...then Greene and/or McClellin. Maybe we keep 7 with SM being insurance for D-line.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 12:32 PM

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How many LBs make the team depends on how many D lineman we keep. Don't be surprised if Jones knocks Senn off the 53. Jones was on all ST units at FSU, has NFL size and speed you want. Jones stepping up is the key, he makes it and Senn is on the block against keeping an extra d-lineman
Briggs
Williams
Bostic
McClellin
Greene
Jones

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Posted: 8/2/2014 1:19 PM

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IMO, there is no way McClellin doesn't make this roster. The reason Herring was hired to get the young LB corp up to speed. I believe the staff has set a realistic level of performance for McClellin at LB. It will be all up to him, so let's see the guy play in a game at LB before all these unfounded determinations are make about his ability at the position. I believe all the young players stick because Briggs and Williams are on their last leg. At some point you gotta develop your own and Bostic, McClellin, Greene and Jones appear to be the future. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out, instead of baseless predictions.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 12:39 AM

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McClellin is listed as the starter at SLB. That might change, but it doesn't seem like his roster spot would be in danger.

I'm still a little confused. I remember Emery saying that Bostic was more of an outside LB after the end of last season, but he seems back at middle. To be honest, I'd like to see McClellin at middle and Bostic at stong.
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Posted: 8/4/2014 7:55 PM

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njc41980 wrote: I'm still a little confused. I remember Emery saying that Bostic was more of an outside LB after the end of last season, but he seems back at middle. To be honest, I'd like to see McClellin at middle and Bostic at stong.
I think they were thinking the same thing initially but through the process of OTA's and Mini Camps, Shea was doing better at the SAM so they went with it. I remember Herring commenting that Shea fit better at the SAM.

The Bears seem commmitted to using Shea as a linebacker. Not only was he listed as a starter on the opening depth chart but he was also the first linebacker off the bench in the nickel sets when Briggs sat out.

Of coarse that will change if he looks awful in the PS games.
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Posted: 8/5/2014 10:16 AM

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I think McClellin is giving it maximum effort and I have my fingers crossed for the kid but the odds are stacked against him.  How many first round picks have switched positions after two seasons and gone on to have success?  I can't think of one.  I guess there's always a first time but chances are slim.  I have been hearing that he is looking lost out there and it makes sense--learning a new position in the NFL is a tough assignment.  They should just make him a situational pass rusher and create a few packages with him in it, then have him learn only those plays.  They're not cutting him this year anyways because of the salary cap hit they would take.

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Posted: 8/5/2014 12:24 PM

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Muntz wrote: I think McClellin is giving it maximum effort and I have my fingers crossed for the kid but the odds are stacked against him.  How many first round picks have switched positions after two seasons and gone on to have success?  I can't think of one.  I guess there's always a first time but chances are slim.  I have been hearing that he is looking lost out there and it makes sense--learning a new position in the NFL is a tough assignment.  They should just make him a situational pass rusher and create a few packages with him in it, then have him learn only those plays.  They're not cutting him this year anyways because of the salary cap hit they would take.


You're right.... it's a lot for a guy to learn.  That is why you throw him in now, and, if they see enough this year, sign him for a reasonable contract, they can continue the learning process next year as well.  I think people are hoping he'll turn into  an impactful LB'r this year, which is the long shot... but after a year of playing at the new position and a whole year of tutoring, and another offseason and preseason.. there's a much better chance of seeing it next year.





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Posted: 8/6/2014 10:18 AM

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Here's a thought:
Why can't we trade him to a team that runs a 3-4??   Yes, the cap hit will hurt. 

But, maybe there is a team that truly thinks they can get that L.B. ability out of him in the right system, that doesn't 
want to 'hope' to be able to claim him if we cut him.

He did show good ability in college in that 3-4 D; maybe we can still salvage something (i.e. draft pick) for him.  I'd hate to keep a guy based on draft status, and cut a Jones or Senn who SHOULD make the team..
Then 6 make the team:
Briggs
Williams
Bostic
Senn
Greene
Jones
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