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OT: Good News in Blackhawkville....

Posted: 7/9/2014 12:15 PM

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http://espn.go.com/chicago/nhl...ws-patrick-kane

Mods feel free to move this but I figure it big enough to be on the main board. Bowman said it was a top priority and he got it done.
"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth

Last edited 7/9/2014 12:17 PM by Cubfan41

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Posted: 7/9/2014 12:51 PM

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Great news. Just as good as Kompon going away and taking his pathetic excuse for a power play with him.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 2:12 PM

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Worthy of main board. We're talking minimum 8peat my friends

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Posted: 7/9/2014 2:57 PM

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Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Go Hawks!
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Posted: 7/9/2014 3:42 PM

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10.5 mil per year. They are now the highest paid players in the NHL. The 2 contracts will take up about 28% of the cap as it currently stands. Most hockey writers seem to think they are fair and reasonable deals.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 5:17 PM

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10.5 mil per year. They are now the highest paid players in the NHL. The 2 contracts will take up about 28% of the cap as it currently stands. Most hockey writers seem to think they are fair and reasonable deals.

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It's front loaded including $41.1 million in a signing bonus. Also have to figure that the Canadian TV money will kick in next year so the cap will go up. It was a fair deal for both sides especially when you figure both Toews & Kaner left about $16 million on the table because you know other teams would have offer each of them $12+ million a year.
"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth
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Posted: 7/9/2014 9:52 PM

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Also in 4 years when they are finishing up their 20s and adding rings to the next hand, they we be considered underpaid. These guys could very likely end up on the Mt Rushmore of Chicago Sports when they are done. Even MJ didn't have 2 rings by 25.


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10.5 mil per year. They are now the highest paid players in the NHL. The 2 contracts will take up about 28% of the cap as it currently stands. Most hockey writers seem to think they are fair and reasonable deals.

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It's front loaded including $41.1 million in a signing bonus. Also have to figure that the Canadian TV money will kick in next year so the cap will go up. It was a fair deal for both sides especially when you figure both Toews & Kaner left about $16 million on the table because you know other teams would have offer each of them $12+ million a year.

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Posted: 7/9/2014 9:58 PM

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10.5 million AAV is a lot, but the good news is the salary cap should be much higher as they reach the later years of their deals.

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. -Albert Einstein

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Posted: 7/10/2014 12:15 AM

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A lot of talk about rings being added, let's win one more first before we get too excited. Good news, yes but it guarantees nothing.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 3:24 AM

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Northsiders wrote: A lot of talk about rings being added, let's win one more first before we get too excited. Good news, yes but it guarantees nothing.
I don't know about you, but I felt this year the Hawks got robbed of going to the Stanley Cup by the filthy LA Kings
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Posted: 7/10/2014 7:28 AM

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skepticalbear wrote: 10.5 million AAV is a lot, but the good news is the salary cap should be much higher as they reach the later years of their deals.
Short term it might hurt but in the long run it ends up being a great deal for the Hawks. But its gonna be crucial for Q to start playing and trusting the young guys because vets are on their way out. 


GameBear wrote: 
Northsiders wrote: A lot of talk about rings being added, let's win one more first before we get too excited. Good news, yes but it guarantees nothing.
I don't know about you, but I felt this year the Hawks got robbed of going to the Stanley Cup by the filthy LA Kings
Nonsense

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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:21 AM

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Kopitar, Carter, Williams, Gaborik, and Doughty were #1,2,3,4, and 7 in points in the postseason respectively.

Kings didn't rob anything. They were having a tremendous playoff run and overall played much better hockey in the WCF. It's a credit to the Hawks that they were able to come back like they did.


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Northsiders wrote: A lot of talk about rings being added, let's win one more first before we get too excited. Good news, yes but it guarantees nothing.
I don't know about you, but I felt this year the Hawks got robbed of going to the Stanley Cup by the filthy LA Kings

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The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. -Albert Einstein

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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:24 AM

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They won't be the highest paid for long. Stamkos will probably get 12 million +


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10.5 mil per year. They are now the highest paid players in the NHL. The 2 contracts will take up about 28% of the cap as it currently stands. Most hockey writers seem to think they are fair and reasonable deals.

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The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. -Albert Einstein

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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:26 AM

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Anytime23 wrote:
skepticalbear wrote: 10.5 million AAV is a lot, but the good news is the salary cap should be much higher as they reach the later years of their deals.
Short term it might hurt but in the long run it ends up being a great deal for the Hawks. But its gonna be crucial for Q to start playing and trusting the young guys because vets are on their way out. 

If the numbers on cap geek are accurate, they CAN get under without breaking up the core, but if paying Bickell and Crawford forces them to have to trade Patrick Sharp, that'll be the first thing this organization has done in awhile that will legitimately piss me off.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:10 AM

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So three rings in 6 years before we get excited? In a salary cap era, we won a championship in pretty dominant fashion. Had a purge like the Oakland A's and went back and won the Cup 3 years later? Then in a compact season that ended late, we come back and were an OT goal away from going to the Cup. Barring injury, which is worthless to speculate about, this team is built as strong as any team Chicago has had since the 90s Bulls. As a lifelong Cubs fan, I know what to temper. We will not experience a Blackhawks team again like we are now in our lifetime once it's over. I am going to get excited and I am not afraid of expectation. The reason being is that Kane and Toews have proven they aren't afraid of expectation either.

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A lot of talk about rings being added, let's win one more first before we get too excited. Good news, yes but it guarantees nothing.

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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:13 AM

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skepticalbear wrote: Kopitar, Carter, Williams, Gaborik, and Doughty were #1,2,3,4, and 7 in points in the postseason respectively.

Kings didn't rob anything. They were having a tremendous playoff run and overall played much better hockey in the WCF. It's a credit to the Hawks that they were able to come back like they did.


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Northsiders wrote: A lot of talk about rings being added, let's win one more first before we get too excited. Good news, yes but it guarantees nothing.
I don't know about you, but I felt this year the Hawks got robbed of going to the Stanley Cup by the filthy LA Kings

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True but if Crawford brings his "B" game that series, the Blackhawks win it. He was pretty brutal that entire series with the exception of Game 1 and the end of Game 6. I know quite a few of those weren't his fault but he also let in a lot of cheapies too especially in Game 7. And when you are paid to be one of the top goaltenders in the NHL, you cannot let that happen. I honestly think Crawford is on a bit of a hot seat hence why they brought back in Jimmy Waite to be the goaltending coach and why they resign Raanta not only for next year but as a possible goalie of the future. I also think Q played Crawford way too much especially in the 2nd half. Corey needs more rest throughout the season next year so he can be rested up for the playoffs like he was in 2013.
"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth
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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:16 AM

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DoubleDown11 wrote:
Anytime23 wrote:
skepticalbear wrote: 10.5 million AAV is a lot, but the good news is the salary cap should be much higher as they reach the later years of their deals.
Short term it might hurt but in the long run it ends up being a great deal for the Hawks. But its gonna be crucial for Q to start playing and trusting the young guys because vets are on their way out. 

If the numbers on cap geek are accurate, they CAN get under without breaking up the core, but if paying Bickell and Crawford forces them to have to trade Patrick Sharp, that'll be the first thing this organization has done in awhile that will legitimately piss me off.
Talk is they are going to keep the core exactly as it is for next season and then they will go from there. You have to remember Saad needs to get his paper as well therefore one of the core guys will be going. And honestly I am fine if it's Sharpie. I used not to be but been reading a lot on the Committed Indian about him and talk is the Mr. Nice Guy image he gives up is just that, a image. Turns out he is a total toolbag who starting to become a distraction in the dressing room. And considering his age and salary cap, he might be the first out of the truly big name core guys to go. I know everyone keeps mentioning Hossa given his age and salary as well but for now, you keep Big Hoss because he is the much better player out of the two.
"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth

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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:38 AM

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Hossa is due 5 mil against the cap until 2021. Nobody is taking his contract. I don't think using a compliance buyout on him would've been a terrible idea, even though he's still a valuable player.

Still though, my point was that Crawford and Bickell make $10 mil combined. Sharp and Hossa make $11 mil combined. Even when you factor in age, which pair would you rather have?
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Posted: 7/10/2014 11:08 AM

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DoubleDown11 wrote: Hossa is due 5 mil against the cap until 2021. Nobody is taking his contract. I don't think using a compliance buyout on him would've been a terrible idea, even though he's still a valuable player.

Still though, my point was that Crawford and Bickell make $10 mil combined. Sharp and Hossa make $11 mil combined. Even when you factor in age, which pair would you rather have?
To me it's kind of a wash. Yes Sharp and Hossa are overall better players (Hossa still one of the best two way players in the game) but they are long in the tooth. Crawford has shown the ability to be the guy that you can ride to a cup victory while Bickell has been a monster two playoff runs in a row, just cannot play like that throughout a 82 game schedule without killing himself. But who knows what Stan has up his sleeve. I think he is staying pat now other then a few tweaks to the roster knowing next year is when they will need to cut some serious cap to set themselves up long term but they do have some tradable pieces to give themselves good value back.

Also long term I think the core of the team will be Toews/Kane/Keith/Seabrook/Saad/Shaw/Tivo/Smith/Mor in and maybe CC if he bounces back a bit but again, that also falls on Q for making sure he gets his rest in the regular season.
"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth
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Posted: 7/10/2014 11:45 AM

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Hossa's not going anywhere. The recapture penalty on his contract makes it too difficult. And trading him does not eliminate the penalty.

Teams could use long term IR to possibly circumvent the recapture penalty, but it has to be a legit injury, and you can bet the NHL will be watching closely.

The recapture penalty punishes teams like the Hawks who added a ton of low salary years to the backend of deals under the old CBA to circumvent the cap. You have to pay the piper at some point.

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