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Posted: 6/27/2014 6:45 PM

OT: 2014 Bulls off-season 


Making this thread since we were getting something going in a different one...

Maybe im jumping the gun here and being irrational but this seems like a pretty bad start to a really important FA. 

Arron Afflalo is a guy they seemed really interested in and Denver traded for him with an role player and the 56th pick. The Bulls definitely had better assets to get that deal done. Maybe it was AAs $7.5M contract but he was really their last option if all else failed in FA. You could have traded for him and used him as a potential sign and trade piece if you were to get one of the big FA players. If not, you had a guy who can create offense for you.

First let me say that ive probably only watches two college games this past season. I really dont know anything outside of Jabari.Then during the draft you trade the 16th and 19th picks for some pasty white jump shooter at 11? This was supposedly the deepest draft in a long time and if a early 2nd round draft pick held value like a 1st round 20s pick, is it really worth the trade to only move up 5 spots for a guy who seems like a spot up shooter? Werent they trying to bring in on the ball scorers? From what i read, its really questioned if he can be anything more than just a shooter at the next level when youre going against more athletic and lengthy players. They said he cant defend but its ok because Thibs will mask that. Thibs never masked the defensive flaws of Carlos Boozer, Kyle Korver or a healthy Derrick Rose, when rookie guards were blowing past him in the playoffs. If this guy cant defend, he'll end up on the bench in crunch time like Boozer and theyll be back to lacking scorers when you really need a bucket. As a team they have a handful of great defenders and Thibs knows great team D but its hard to mask a guys flaws when hes being spun in circles.

Good for GarPax, this was supposedly their guy and its not just BS like most teams say after they draft a guy. Theyve been watching him for like 3 years. They say now they only have to pay 1 rookie instead of 2 so that gives them more money for a big time FA but whats the difference when you compare how much youre going to pay the 11th pick and Anthony Randolphs $1.8M, compared to #16 and #19? Oh and they sent a future 2nd to Denver. Apparently you cant even trade Randolph for 60 days so he cant even be used in a sign and trade. I just dont understand. If they amnesty Boozer, theyre only sitting around 11-13M from what i read. Youre not signing melo for that. I dont care how much he claims he wants to win.

Do you think the Timberwolves are interested in trading Love for Taj Gibson, Tony Snell and whoever else when they didnt even want Klay Thompson and David Lee? 30% of the cap going to Derrick Rose, who no one knows how he will play over the next few years, would LeBron want to join another team where he'd look like the only guy who can get you a basket late in games? Maybe its the pessimist in me and growing used to being disappointed with the Bulls FAs but i just feel like its gonna be the same old thing. Not saying the guys in charge arent trying, i know they are and at the end of the day its the FAs decisions but man....this doesnt look good. 



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Wade is not going anywhere and I bet dollar to donuts LeFraud doesn't either. I do like the Bulls getting McBuckets last night though. Finally got someone who can flat out score and he is not as bad defensively as his rep is though he really needs to work on that part of his game if he wants to survive under Thibs. Save some cap space except they pick up Anthony Randolph which makes no sense unless they are lining up a sign and trade with him as one of the pieces.

I agree with you, i think they both stay. All 3 opt out and resign for less. Ric Bucher(sp) was spewing some nonsense last night about Toronto wanting to do a S&T w/ Miami sending Kyle Lowry to the Heat and them getting back their dino. Oh and they would use the extra cap space to sign Melo. WtF is going on here?

I think i posted above about the cap space with the trade last night. With AR coming in the trade, they put an addition $1M on the books. I try to have faith in this front office because i feel like theyve done well and as much as they could but last night was a tough one for me. Didnt like it. I just saw Bernsy posted an article with a headline for optimism. I'll read it and hope he talks me off the ledge. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/06/27/bernstein-b ulls-working-on-bigger-things/


Im really trying to stay optimistic that theyll land Melo but im just used to disappointment when it comes to the big named FAs and Chicago. Guess we have to wait a couple weeks and see.



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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:00 AM

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Not too sure on everything the Bulls want to do, but I would think the top goal is somehow getting Carmelo.  If that happens, then they had an excellent FA.

I agree about trading two picks for a shooter who does not play defense.  That is a bit puzzling, but the first 6 picks or so were the star picks.  Everything after that is much less, and the NBA is all about stars.  You could land a big time guy, but NBA scouts usually get it right.

If they are just positioning themselves salary cap wise for a legit shot at Carmelo, then it is all good.....but they HAVE to land Carmelo.and from everything you hear on New York sports radio, that is likely to happen.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 10:53 AM

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AngryBearsFan wrote: Not too sure on everything the Bulls want to do, but I would think the top goal is somehow getting Carmelo.  If that happens, then they had an excellent FA.

I agree about trading two picks for a shooter who does not play defense.  That is a bit puzzling, but the first 6 picks or so were the star picks.  Everything after that is much less, and the NBA is all about stars.  You could land a big time guy, but NBA scouts usually get it right.

If they are just positioning themselves salary cap wise for a legit shot at Carmelo, then it is all good.....but they HAVE to land Carmelo.and from everything you hear on New York sports radio, that is likely to happen.

So who ends up getting traded to NY if it is a sign and trade as predicted?

 

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Posted: 6/28/2014 11:32 AM

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But again, $1.8M on Randolph's contract so all in all the trade cost them more. While I usually like to poopoo 2nd round picks, they usually come in handy for trades so it would have been nice if they didn't have to trade that on top of the two first rounders. But they got a guy they really like that they truly think could contribute this season.

As far as Melo goes, I sure hope the rumors are true for once.

Ghost, as far as the S&T everything is on the table except for Rose and Noah. Taj and the rights to Mirotic are most likely gonna be included. But they could end up getting away with murder like Miami did 4 years ago where they basically said "these guys are coming here whether you like it or not. Take what you can get and kiss our asses."

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Not too sure on everything the Bulls want to do, but I would think the top goal is somehow getting Carmelo.  If that happens, then they had an excellent FA.

I agree about trading two picks for a shooter who does not play defense.  That is a bit puzzling, but the first 6 picks or so were the star picks.  Everything after that is much less, and the NBA is all about stars.  You could land a big time guy, but NBA scouts usually get it right.

If they are just positioning themselves salary cap wise for a legit shot at Carmelo, then it is all good.....but they HAVE to land Carmelo.and from everything you hear on New York sports radio, that is likely to happen.

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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:14 PM

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Wade has opted out FYI.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:56 PM

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Northsiders wrote: Wade has opted out FYI.
Miami looks to have a ridiculous amount of cap space again.  They can put together some really solid role players around LBJ this summer now.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:57 PM

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They're saying Bosh and Haslem have too. Looking like everyone's coming back at a bigger discount to bring in more players. Make this stop

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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:25 PM

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How do you guys conclude McDermott doesn't play defense??  I played the kid one on one and he does, granted he was 12..  Creighton kept him off the other team's scorers to keep him out of foul trouble, which makes sense. The fact that Thibs had him at USA basketball and seems to have no doubts & defense is played as a team.
AngryBearsFan wrote: Not too sure on everything the Bulls want to do, but I would think the top goal is somehow getting Carmelo.  If that happens, then they had an excellent FA.

I agree about trading two picks for a shooter who does not play defense.  That is a bit puzzling, but the first 6 picks or so were the star picks.  Everything after that is much less, and the NBA is all about stars.  You could land a big time guy, but NBA scouts usually get it right.

If they are just positioning themselves salary cap wise for a legit shot at Carmelo, then it is all good.....but they HAVE to land Carmelo.and from everything you hear on New York sports radio, that is likely to happen.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:26 PM

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Based on every scouting report saying he's not good at defense...

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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:33 PM

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I would think the Bulls' report might say otherwise...if the Bulls get Carmelo, it would be interesting to have McD, Rose and Melo all on the floor together on the defensive end.  edit: I just looked at a scouting report and it agreed with you but it also said what I said, he was kept off the other teams' shooters so we'll see...
Anytime23 wrote: Based on every scouting report saying he's not good at defense...

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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:51 PM

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Btw I do agree with you that defense is played as a team. Idk if the bulls report says otherwise but maybe Thibs realized last post-season that defense only gets you so far. The past 4 years outside of Rose, they've needed someone to get them a bucket in crunch time but never have. I hope this guy can get his own shot.

As far as him, Rose and Melo...I'll take that.

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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:01 PM

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He's more of a spot up shooter, but he can occasionally ''blow past'' a defender.  I really think this was more a salary swap, McD in, Dunlevy out, to clear more cap room for Melo and/or other f/a(s).  
Anytime23 wrote: Btw I do agree with you that defense is played as a team. Idk if the bulls report says otherwise but maybe Thibs realized last post-season that defense only gets you so far. The past 4 years outside of Rose, they've needed someone to get them a bucket in crunch time but never have. I hope this guy can get his own shot.

As far as him, Rose and Melo...I'll take that.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:24 PM

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marlon48 wrote: He's more of a spot up shooter, but he can occasionally ''blow past'' a defender.  I really think this was more a salary swap, McD in, Dunlevy out, to clear more cap room for Melo and/or other f/a(s).  
Anytime23 wrote: Btw I do agree with you that defense is played as a team. Idk if the bulls report says otherwise but maybe Thibs realized last post-season that defense only gets you so far. The past 4 years outside of Rose, they've needed someone to get them a bucket in crunch time but never have. I hope this guy can get his own shot.

As far as him, Rose and Melo...I'll take that.
Not trying to derail the thread but did anyone else notice the dude from UCLA clearly say F--- Me when he was chosen by the timberwolves.  He clearly was not happy.

 

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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:40 PM

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I didn't see it but it really makes sense. Lol

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marlon48 wrote: He's more of a spot up shooter, but he can occasionally ''blow past'' a defender.  I really think this was more a salary swap, McD in, Dunlevy out, to clear more cap room for Melo and/or other f/a(s).  
Anytime23 wrote: Btw I do agree with you that defense is played as a team. Idk if the bulls report says otherwise but maybe Thibs realized last post-season that defense only gets you so far. The past 4 years outside of Rose, they've needed someone to get them a bucket in crunch time but never have. I hope this guy can get his own shot.

As far as him, Rose and Melo...I'll take that.
Not trying to derail the thread but did anyone else notice the dude from UCLA clearly say F--- Me when he was chosen by the timberwolves.  He clearly was not happy.

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Posted: 6/29/2014 8:37 AM

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Anytime23 wrote: Based on every scouting report saying he's not good at defense...

And rightfully so because he doesn't. McBuckets is going to get torched in one-on-one situations. His lateral speed is awful and guys are going to be wide open on threes because get back in time to get a hand in his face. My hope is that he is a water down version of Toni Kukoc but he never will be that good since Toni was 6'11 and could dish the ball insanely well (they didn't call him the waiter for nothing). He also not going to be able to post guys up so part of his scoring weapons are now gone so the best we can hope for is that he is a 15 point a guy night. But he certainly isn't that "2nd scorer" the Bulls need. Hopefully Thibs can hide his defensive liabilities in the system as well.

Their moves so far are head stretching to say the least. They move up to save cap space and get a better player which I like (rather do that then be forced to draft a European player so you can stash him overseas for a few years) but then they draft Wally Szczerbiak Part II. And then to complicate things more they pick up Anthony Randolph which took away whatever cap space relief they got so unless Randolph is added in as strictly a guy that some other team wants in a sign and trade come later this week, it makes absolute no sense. I am honestly thinking the Bulls are going to get nothing again in terms the big name players and will be stuck going after Stephenson and trying to get Mivoic over here.

As for the Heat, it appears they are lining up for Melo and willing to all take $15 million a year but CBS sports is reporting that LeBron wants a max deal:


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/e...roster-upgrades

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Posted: 6/29/2014 8:54 AM

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I actually always liked Wally Sz.... Never could spell his name. Good pro. What's worse about getting Randolph is that you can't trade him for 60 days(from the draft day trade). He's not going in a S&T. He'll probably be a trading deadline piece or something in the middle of the season.

The Heat already killed the league for me. If they bring in Melo, I'm officially done.

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Posted: 6/29/2014 8:56 AM

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Oh and the agent to that Timberwolves guard said that "fk me" was a fk me of relief after finally getting picked....not buying it. Minny has been a joke since they traded away Garnett for Al Jefferson

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Posted: 6/29/2014 10:39 AM

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Anytime23 wrote: I actually always liked Wally Sz.... Never could spell his name. Good pro. What's worse about getting Randolph is that you can't trade him for 60 days(from the draft day trade). He's not going in a S&T. He'll probably be a trading deadline piece or something in the middle of the season.

The Heat already killed the league for me. If they bring in Melo, I'm officially done.

Yeah the Randolph really got me stretching my head. I don't see what it brings unless the Bulls are convinced that Melo is a done deal in a sign/trade which takes a lot of their role players and they figure Randolph could be a guy that give some productive minutes off the bench.

The Heat killed the league for a lot of people. I was at an engagement party last night for one of my best friends. Us guys were talking and we all agreed. We all like to see to sign with Chicago but we honestly be fine with him signing anywhere except Miami. Even if he stayed in NYC that be fine. It at least keep some parity around the league and at least for once, not everything is collusion with these guys.

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Posted: 6/29/2014 10:48 AM

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Careful when stretching your head ;)

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Anytime23 wrote: I actually always liked Wally Sz.... Never could spell his name. Good pro. What's worse about getting Randolph is that you can't trade him for 60 days(from the draft day trade). He's not going in a S&T. He'll probably be a trading deadline piece or something in the middle of the season.

The Heat already killed the league for me. If they bring in Melo, I'm officially done.
Yeah the Randolph really got me stretching my head. I don't see what it brings unless the Bulls are convinced that Melo is a done deal in a sign/trade which takes a lot of their role players and they figure Randolph could be a guy that give some productive minutes off the bench.



The Heat killed the league for a lot of people. I was at an engagement party last night for one of my best friends. Us guys were talking and we all agreed. We all like to see to sign with Chicago but we honestly be fine with him signing anywhere except Miami. Even if he stayed in NYC that be fine. It at least keep some parity around the league and at least for once, not everything is collusion with these guys.



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Posted: 6/29/2014 10:54 AM

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Northsiders wrote:
Careful when stretching your head ;)

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Anytime23 wrote: I actually always liked Wally Sz.... Never could spell his name. Good pro. What's worse about getting Randolph is that you can't trade him for 60 days(from the draft day trade). He's not going in a S&T. He'll probably be a trading deadline piece or something in the middle of the season.

The Heat already killed the league for me. If they bring in Melo, I'm officially done.
Yeah the Randolph really got me stretching my head. I don't see what it brings unless the Bulls are convinced that Melo is a done deal in a sign/trade which takes a lot of their role players and they figure Randolph could be a guy that give some productive minutes off the bench.



The Heat killed the league for a lot of people. I was at an engagement party last night for one of my best friends. Us guys were talking and we all agreed. We all like to see to sign with Chicago but we honestly be fine with him signing anywhere except Miami. Even if he stayed in NYC that be fine. It at least keep some parity around the league and at least for once, not everything is collusion with these guys.



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