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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:56 PM

Peppers 



 


 

My Packers buddy at work keeps telling me how excited he is to have Peppers, but I wasn't all that sad to see him go.


 


 

What do you guys think?  

Is he washed up, or should we be worried?  

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Posted: 6/5/2014 12:33 AM

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I am so so on this. Peppers will be ok, I like Allen better at this point.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 2:59 AM

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I loved Peppers when he was here but at this point I welcome Lamaar and Jared.  I think it is a defenite upgrade

 

Last edited 6/5/2014 3:31 AM by ghostd00d

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Posted: 6/5/2014 6:36 AM

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We got two younger players, good players, at the expense of losing one good player that may be past his good days. I still like the way Emery handled it.

Even if Peppers has a great season, the biggest problem the defense had was depth and versatility along the line. They got better as a unit for the next few seasons. Bears fans shouldn't get too upset just because Peppers might have one more 8-10 sack season because there won't be many more...especially at the price.

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Posted: 6/5/2014 7:05 AM

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At his cap cost and declining production, tossing peppers was a no brainer. He's on his downhill stretch. Doesn't bother me a bit.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:21 AM

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I've spent the last couple years telling myself that Peppers was better than Allen because he is more physically gifted, but after last year, its hard to argue that peppers doesn't have motor problems.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:22 AM

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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:34 AM

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With old guys playing in the NFL, once they're done, they're done.  I think Julius Peppers is done.  He'll play limited minutes and make some plays here and there, but nothing to get excited about if you're a Packer fan.

And I have to admit, I'm not extremely optimistic that Jared Allen is going to be a Pro Bowl-caliber performer for us.  He's 32, so he's not at the end yet, but I'd expect a bit of a drop-off in performance.   I'm more excited about getting Lamarr Houston than Allen.  But Allen will exceed Peppers this year.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:51 AM

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Northsiders wrote: I am so so on this. Peppers will be ok, I like Allen better at this point.
My thoughts exactly. I think Pep has enough left in the tank to make a few plays here and there but is no longer a consistent game changer. Allen may be on the decline as well but we should get better pass rush productivity out of him than Peppers and at a significantly lower cost.

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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:38 AM

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The Bears asked Peppers to be the main guy last year and he could not do it.  He goes to the Packers, and they will ask him to be a secondary sack guy behind Matthews.  They probably will cut his snaps as well.  He should do well there.

But they probably should have signed Jared Allen simply because he can do the same thing as a pass rusher AND the Bears would have still cut Peppers.

The Pack just added one situational pass rusher, but the Bears (by cutting Peppers and reworking Cutlers contract) got Houston, signed Allen, and drafted two guys who will have to play this season.  I think the Bears did the better job, but they kind of had to based on last season's awful performance.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:41 AM

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And the cap hit. Peppers would have had to have played like a wild man to justify that hit with the holes we had, and I'm not sure that would have even been enough.

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The Bears asked Peppers to be the main guy last year and he could not do it.  He goes to the Packers, and they will ask him to be a secondary sack guy behind Matthews.  They probably will cut his snaps as well.  He should do well there.

But they probably should have signed Jared Allen simply because he can do the same thing as a pass rusher AND the Bears would have still cut Peppers.

The Pack just added one situational pass rusher, but the Bears (by cutting Peppers and reworking Cutlers contract) got Houston, signed Allen, and drafted two guys who will have to play this season.  I think the Bears did the better job, but they kind of had to based on last season's awful performance.

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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:47 AM

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Looks like we got out of his deal at the right time. Last year he showed he is no longer capable of putting the defense on his back and carrying it by himself. He also seemed to lack motivation too based on his lukewarm at best effort. He was great the first two years of his Bears deal but fell off sharply after that. He does have more pieces around him with Clay Matthews but that defense is not nearly what they used to be. I think Packers fans will realize exactly what they are getting once the honeymoon period ends. If they have to depend on Peppers being the man, look out...rude awakening in 3...2...1.

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Posted: 6/5/2014 11:59 AM

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It was also speculated that Peppers didn't like his role in Tuckers D. If the guy wasn't all in, at the money he was paid, then he has to go regardless. I think he has a good season. He will be motivated for a year or two, and that was a good investment on GB, unless his body gives in. On the Bears end, we got younger, more players, and Allen who I think has more to give at this point. So the Bears got 3 DE's for the price of Peppers and I'll throw in Wootten.

Posted: 6/5/2014 12:00 PM

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AngryBearsFan wrote:
But they probably should have signed Jared Allen simply because he can do the same thing as a pass rusher AND the Bears would have still cut Peppers.

Never thought of it that way.  Peppers was signed a couple weeks before Allen signed with the Bears.  At the time it seemed like everyone thought Allen was going to the Seahawks, so maybe the Packers just gave up.  What a different landscape that would have been had they landed Allen, Peppers goes somewhere else, and the Bears are left with no established pass rusher.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 10:55 PM

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Even if Pep and Allen are still similar in their ability, to me it comes down to the fact that Jared Allen has a high motor and gives his all on every play.  Peppers admittedly took plays off, Allen doesn't.  Also, who know what Peppers is going to be like in a 3-4 defense as basically an outside LB.  Being a stand up lineman on every play is something that he has never had to consistently do before in any scheme, so who knows if it revitalizes him or hinders his play.  I believe it will be the latter, but only time will tell.

Either way, I'm not looking forward to seeing him in puke yellow and snot green twice a year.
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Posted: 6/6/2014 11:02 PM

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Peppers took a lot of plays off last year...not that I blame him based on how bad the defense was.  I would love to still have him but it boils down to the fact we were basically able to rebuild the defensive line for the cost of his salary.  He was an aging expensive player on a team with a horrible defense. 

I will be rooting for him 14 weeks a year for the rest of his career but his salary needed to be cleared to give the Bears a fighting chance at rebuilding a horrid D.  Sad to see him go, understand why it had to happen, happy with the results of what clearing his salary allowed Emery to do.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:28 AM

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AngryBearsFan wrote: The Bears asked Peppers to be the main guy last year and he could not do it.  He goes to the Packers, and they will ask him to be a secondary sack guy behind Matthews.  They probably will cut his snaps as well.  He should do well there.

But they probably should have signed Jared Allen simply because he can do the same thing as a pass rusher AND the Bears would have still cut Peppers.

The Pack just added one situational pass rusher, but the Bears (by cutting Peppers and reworking Cutlers contract) got Houston, signed Allen, and drafted two guys who will have to play this season.  I think the Bears did the better job, but they kind of had to based on last season's awful performance.

Even with the injuries, I think Peppers is a better fit playing in space than Allen, so I don't really have issue with it.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 1:58 PM

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I like that the Bears new Offensive line had a year's worth of practice against him, so I doubt he'll pose as much of a problem against us than he will other teams...  hopefully...





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Posted: 6/7/2014 4:49 PM

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Behr34 wrote:

I like that the Bears new Offensive line had a year's worth of practice against him, so I doubt he'll pose as much of a problem against us than he will other teams...  hopefully...

I have a feeling he will be playing an entirely different position

 

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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:57 PM

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Peppers will be in a much better position to fully utilize ALL of his skills in a Dom Capers 3-4 defense.
Whatever he may have lost as a down lineman he will more than make up for as a distraction , if nothing else, inside.
Jared Allen wouldn't have had any more of a prayer of succeeding in the 3-4 than Aaron Kampman did, since JA is strictly a RDE for a 4-3 team and not much else.
I have an inside source in MIN that told me JA freely admits he can't rush worth squat coming from the left side.

By CHI picking up Lamaar & replacing Peppers with a RDE specialist, they improved their pass rush and compensated somewhat for the loss of a great interior defensive lineman to DAL.
You came out ahead and that's all that really should matter to CHI fans - don't be going off that the Packers somehow screwed themselves by picking up what wasn't an ideal fit in CHI anymore, 'cuz yer just making yerself look like an imbiber of sour grapes whine.
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