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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:18 AM

Webb cut 


Well, that's that.

I know most will be happy, but I am not.  Started 3 years, and did grow into the position.
NOT a left tackle, but could have been serviceable at right IMO.  Was Line's top rated player last year, ahead of carimi (who we got a draft pick for).

Never got a chance under the new regime.  I'm not saying he was great, but it seems we never develop anybody.  He was a home-grown draft pick, who we developed, who could have gotten even better with time.  

Oh well, we can always way over-pay and let someone else develop players for us...
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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:23 AM

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chicago bear jim wrote: Well, that's that.

I know most will be happy, but I am not.  Started 3 years, and did grow into the position.
NOT a left tackle, but could have been serviceable at right IMO.  Was Line's top rated player last year, ahead of carimi (who we got a draft pick for).

Never got a chance under the new regime.  I'm not saying he was great, but it seems we never develop anybody.  He was a home-grown draft pick, who we developed, who could have gotten even better with time.  

Oh well, we can always way over-pay and let someone else develop players for us...
Webb played 3 years in the NFL.  How much longer should we wait for him to "develop?"  After 3 years, you pretty much are what you are.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:25 AM

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He started 3 years at the decision of one of the most inept position coaches in the last 3 decades.

I still would have been fine with him at swing, but the sweeping-out-mistakes mentality has it's value also.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:26 AM

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"Never got a chance under the new regime."

He played the entire game last night!
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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:26 AM

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He didn't grow into anything.

He was awful. But that's not a particularly remarkable conclusion, given he probably never would have been drafted but for our terrible situation at O line. But the idea that this guy would have been serviceable doing anything on a football field is a joke. 
chicago bear jim wrote: Well, that's that.

I know most will be happy, but I am not.  Started 3 years, and did grow into the position.
NOT a left tackle, but could have been serviceable at right IMO.  Was Line's top rated player last year, ahead of carimi (who we got a draft pick for).

Never got a chance under the new regime.  I'm not saying he was great, but it seems we never develop anybody.  He was a home-grown draft pick, who we developed, who could have gotten even better with time.  

Oh well, we can always way over-pay and let someone else develop players for us...


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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:27 AM

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Too many penalties.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:41 AM

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nkilzer wrote: "Never got a chance under the new regime."

He played the entire game last night!

Playing the entire 4th preseason game is not an example of getting a chance under the new regime. In fact it is the opposite.

Being handed the starting job at RT from OTA's to mid-camp however, is most definitely being given a chance.

Make no mistake about it. Webb was given every chance this year and he blew it.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:44 AM

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It's not like last night was his first game time all preseason. Plus, I heard he was only supposed to play  the first half -- so they left him in to see what he could do. He had many, many chances. I believe he had 2 penalties against Oakland. He was on the field plenty. You cannot say he never got a chance.

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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:48 AM

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Well, that's that.

I know most will be happy, but I am not.  Started 3 years, and did grow into the position.
NOT a left tackle, but could have been serviceable at right IMO.  Was Line's top rated player last year, ahead of carimi (who we got a draft pick for).

Never got a chance under the new regime.  I'm not saying he was great, but it seems we never develop anybody.  He was a home-grown draft pick, who we developed, who could have gotten even better with time.  

Oh well, we can always way over-pay and let someone else develop players for us...

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No offense, but this is a TERRIBLE take on J'Marcus Webb. First of all, he sucked last season and the season before that and the season before that. Three seasons as an NFL starter, under a coaching staff (Lovie/Tice) that did everything in their power to make us think he was an NFL caliber starter. Truth is, he wasn't and still isn't. His inconsistent play isn't even worthy of a roster spot, imho.

Webb has been THE MOST penalized lineman in the league, since his rookie year. He's also given up THE MOST sacks and QB pressures. So hang on to that "he graded out the best" crap all that you want, but the guy was freaking awful.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 10:58 AM

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I KNEW it would happen. Good riddance! This guy was a headache!


Starting line up should be -

LT Bushrod
LG Slauson
C  Garza
RG Long
RT Mills
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:09 AM

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I don't personally know Webb so I might be speaking outta my ass when I say this. I just didn't see that warrior attitude in J'Marcus that you need someone to have in the trenches. He is a super nice guy on Twitter etc. But I just didn't see that killer instinct/competitiveness. He is joking around and always positive. But, I would take it so personal that I would be playing angry all the time if my OL was playing like that.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:15 AM

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markdalby wrote: I don't personally know Webb so I might be speaking outta my ass when I say this. I just didn't see that warrior attitude in J'Marcus that you need someone to have in the trenches. He is a super nice guy on Twitter etc. But I just didn't see that killer instinct/competitiveness. He is joking around and always positive. But, I would take it so personal that I would be playing angry all the time if my OL was playing like that.
Yeah, he always struck me as kind of a knucklehead.  A likeable knucklehead, but I like my offensive linemen to be more serious-minded and focused.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:25 AM

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A. I see on his twitter feed he says "goodbye Chicago I gave you three years of me" I hate the attitude, he got paid for his three years and in retrospect he got the better end of the deal.

B. While it was probably wrong that Cutler "undressed" him in public last year, I think to a certain degree he was justified.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:31 AM

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chicago bear jim wrote: Well, that's that.

I know most will be happy, but I am not.  Started 3 years, and did grow into the position.
NOT a left tackle, but could have been serviceable at right IMO.  Was Line's top rated player last year, ahead of carimi (who we got a draft pick for).

Never got a chance under the new regime.  I'm not saying he was great, but it seems we never develop anybody.  He was a home-grown draft pick, who we developed, who could have gotten even better with time.  

Oh well, we can always way over-pay and let someone else develop players for us...

I'm with you, but to be fair he did get a chance under the new regime. They just didn't like what they saw. We all didn't. But I thought his best football was ahead of him. It's just disappointing in general because of his potential. But potential will get you (and Mike Tice) fired in the NFL.

I would not be surprised if this is the wake-up call he needed, and he gets his stuff together with his next team. I also would not be surprised if he becomes a perennial backup. It's up to him, really.

All in all, we got what we drafted in the 7th round, what the scouts told us he was: A guy with some great physical traits that you can't coach, who was immature and had issues with focus and consistency, who would need to be coached up to be productive. It didn't quite come together. He made progress, but never could shake his core incompetencies.

I thought he had turned the corner the last half of last season and I was wrong. Very disappointing.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:31 AM

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chicago bear jim wrote: Well, that's that.

I know most will be happy, but I am not.  Started 3 years, and did grow into the position.
NOT a left tackle, but could have been serviceable at right IMO.  Was Line's top rated player last year, ahead of carimi (who we got a draft pick for).

Never got a chance under the new regime.  I'm not saying he was great, but it seems we never develop anybody.  He was a home-grown draft pick, who we developed, who could have gotten even better with time.  

Oh well, we can always way over-pay and let someone else develop players for us...

Completely disagree.  Never given a chance?  He was practically handed the starting job at RT.  It was his to lose.  And his poor play cost him that job.  Then, instead of using his demotion as motivation, he continued his lackadaisical play and had a poor attitude to boot.  Now he's played himself out of job going up against a guy with a bum knee.  Pretty telling that they chose a guy with a questionable knee over him.

He was even worse this preseason at right tackle than he was at left tackle.  Not sure how that was possible going in, but it ended up being the case.  With Bushrod locked in at LT and Mills and Long playing their way into the starting roles on the right side, there was no role for him other than maybe swing tackle, and he managed to blow that opportunity too.

It was an easy decision for these coaches and Emery.  Seventh round pick from the previous regime that they had no ties to.

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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:33 AM

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ComplementaryColors wrote:
markdalby wrote: I don't personally know Webb so I might be speaking outta my ass when I say this. I just didn't see that warrior attitude in J'Marcus that you need someone to have in the trenches. He is a super nice guy on Twitter etc. But I just didn't see that killer instinct/competitiveness. He is joking around and always positive. But, I would take it so personal that I would be playing angry all the time if my OL was playing like that.
Yeah, he always struck me as kind of a knucklehead.  A likeable knucklehead, but I like my offensive linemen to be more serious-minded and focused.
100% agree. He's only 24 but he needs to grow up in a hurry. Being a starter in the NFL should have hastened his growth, but he was just the same 'ol JWebb.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:35 AM

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While I have stuck up for Webb in the past because I thought we were so bad on the o-line that I didn't get making him the scapegoat for everyone. But you would have thought under a new regime that he would have busted it and put in the work this year. Totally get cutting him even if he's better than our other backups. Guy just never got it.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:46 AM

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bearsnbeers wrote: A. I see on his twitter feed he says "goodbye Chicago I gave you three years of me" I hate the attitude, he got paid for his three years and in retrospect he got the better end of the deal.

B. While it was probably wrong that Cutler "undressed" him in public last year, I think to a certain degree he was justified.

That Twitter post is just another example of the guy being immature and not getting it.  The Chicago Bears gave HIM three years to prove himself.

And Cutler definitely didn't stop with the shove last season.  He's been taking indirect shots at Webb all preseason, praising his replacement's effort and saying Mills "wants to be out there" and plays hard.  Pretty clear shot across the bow.  I think everyone from Cutler to the coaches to Emery just realized it was never going to click for this guy.  Maybe it will on another team.

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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:50 AM

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I for one am happy about this... There's only been a handful of Bears that I just couldn't stand and Webb was one of them.  He is the last of the JA/Tice/Lovie coddled players that was given every chance to succeed and was over hyped by them each and every year.  I always looked at Webb as a player in the most important position on the line that was put there because they were too cheap to get a suitable tackle.  He represented everything that was wrong with the offense for the past 4 or so years.

Saying that I am surprised they didn't keep him as the swing tackle but I also feel a little vindicated as a fan seeing him get cut by the new coaching staff.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 11:51 AM

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Glad you wrote it so I didn't have to....spot on.

You can't not have a chance when you are named the starter the first day of camp.


He flat out lost his job.....then lost his backup job. Two things that were long shots 6 weeks ago.



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chicago bear jim wrote: Well, that's that.

I know most will be happy, but I am not.  Started 3 years, and did grow into the position.
NOT a left tackle, but could have been serviceable at right IMO.  Was Line's top rated player last year, ahead of carimi (who we got a draft pick for).

Never got a chance under the new regime.  I'm not saying he was great, but it seems we never develop anybody.  He was a home-grown draft pick, who we developed, who could have gotten even better with time.  

Oh well, we can always way over-pay and let someone else develop players for us...

Completely disagree.  Never given a chance?  He was practically handed the starting job at RT.  It was his to lose.  And his poor play cost him that job.  Then, instead of using his demotion as motivation, he continued his lackadaisical play and had a poor attitude to boot.  Now he's played himself out of job going up against a guy with a bum knee.  Pretty telling that they chose a guy with a questionable knee over him.

He was even worse this preseason at right tackle than he was at left tackle.  Not sure how that was possible going in, but it ended up being the case.  With Bushrod locked in at LT and Mills and Long playing their way into the starting roles on the right side, there was no role for him other than maybe swing tackle, and he managed to blow that opportunity too.

It was an easy decision for these coaches and Emery.  Seventh round pick from the previous regime that they had no ties to.

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