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A Reluctant Icon (guest commentary from JC)

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Posted: 3/21/2013 1:36 PM

A Reluctant Icon (guest commentary from JC) 


Brian Urlacher could have simply owned Chicago, like a Michael Jordan in shoulder pads, but his ugly personality got in the way. John Crist offers his take on this messy saga.

Urlacher a reluctant icon in Chicago
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Posted: 3/21/2013 1:40 PM

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Make Brett go away.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 1:41 PM

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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:05 PM

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I really do not understand the problem. Maybe Brian just does not wish to own the spotlight, why is that so hard to understand? He may just want to play football, play as best as he can, enjoy the game and be happy with that. I think it is the fans problem if they have some unrealistic need for their athlethes to also be their friends. My favorite Bear is, as one may deduce, Charles "Peanut" Tillman. That is because i like his play on the field, his personality, his character, etc..
  But, just because Brian does not have the same personality as Charles does not mean i do not love him for the athlete that he was. All people are different. In todays world where everyone drives it into our heads to be accepting of all people, people of different races, ethnic backgrounds, sexual preference and religion, why then can we not also be accepting of people with different personalities? You do not have to want to invite Urlacher to your backyard barbecue, he wouldn't come anyway, you just have to watch him play football.
  Brian Urlacher is not the problem, it is the media, the fans, and everyone else that just can't get over the fact that he just may not really give a damn about them. I say deal with it and quit your whining.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:11 PM

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PeanutCB33 wrote: I really do not understand the problem. Maybe Brian just does not wish to own the spotlight, why is that so hard to understand? He may just want to play football, play as best as he can, enjoy the game and be happy with that. I think it is the fans problem if they have some unrealistic need for their athlethes to also be their friends. My favorite Bear is, as one may deduce, Charles "Peanut" Tillman. That is because i like his play on the field, his personality, his character, etc..
  But, just because Brian does not have the same personality as Charles does not mean i do not love him for the athlete that he was. All people are different. In todays world where everyone drives it into our heads to be accepting of all people, people of different races, ethnic backgrounds, sexual preference and religion, why then can we not also be accepting of people with different personalities? You do not have to want to invite Urlacher to your backyard barbecue, he wouldn't come anyway, you just have to watch him play football.
  Brian Urlacher is not the problem, it is the media, the fans, and everyone else that just can't get over the fact that he just may not really give a damn about them. I say deal with it and quit your whining.


And make millions of dollars doing commericals. You can't have it both ways in life. If your going to pimp yourself out as an athlete and do all kinds of advertising campaigns that make you a celebrity on top of being a famous athlete, then expect for your life to be scrutized even further and have even less of a private life.

I think that is one of the many reasons why Cutler has shied away from doing a lot of advertising. He doesn't want to be known as a celebrity beyond just being a professional football player, Kristin Cavallari withstanding.biggrin

"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth

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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:14 PM

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Oh Jeez...

With respect to our former Bears Board Chief, this article is a piece of crap...

Urlacher is a FOOTBALL player. A good one. Used to be anyway.

He is not, nor has he ever been a journalist, a publicist, or a PR genius. He just wanted to play football, and has stated several times that he does not like to speak to journalists...

And when journalists write this sort of crap piece about him, who can blame the guy?

To me, this article comes off as written as a whiny azz dig at Urlacher, a HALL OF FAME LB, and one of the best players that's ever played in Chicago by a guy that used to cover the Bears. And it's not a dig on his playing, but on how he approached a spotlight Christ knows nothing about.

It's a low blow, man... Coming back to write this piece about how Urlacher didn't give enough attention to the media?

Christ is just piling on, and it's a shame...


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Just more snarky comments on his way out the door." Were you referring to Urlacher or yourself, JC...?



"That was dropped pretty fast. Kellen Davis must have been the arresting officer."  --Seeters

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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:19 PM

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Bearsfan247 wrote:

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Make Brett go away.

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I'm with them.
Phil Emery is watching you FAP
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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:21 PM

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Anytime23 wrote:
Bearsfan247 wrote:

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Make Brett go away.

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+1

I'm with them.

+1

This might unite the board. biggrin
"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth
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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:24 PM

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seanyboyspiff wrote: Oh Jeez...

With respect to our former Bears Board Chief, this article is a piece of crap...

Urlacher is a FOOTBALL player. A good one. Used to be anyway.

He is not, nor has he ever been a journalist, a publicist, or a PR genius. He just wanted to play football, and has stated several times that he does not like to speak to journalists...

And when journalists write this sort of crap piece about him, who can blame the guy?

To me, this article comes off as written as a whiny azz dig at Urlacher, a HALL OF FAME LB, and one of the best players that's ever played in Chicago by a guy that used to cover the Bears. And it's not a dig on his playing, but on how he approached a spotlight Christ knows nothing about.

It's a low blow, man... Coming back to write this piece about how Urlacher didn't give enough attention to the media?

Christ is just piling on, and it's a shame...


"
Just more snarky comments on his way out the door." Were you referring to Urlacher or yourself, JC...?



True but he also by EVERY account was a pain in the ass once he became famous and like I said in my previous post, he wanted it both ways. If he truly wanted to be just a football player and nothing else, then he wouldn't done 1/100 of the off the field promotions/commericals/ad campaigns he did.


After all, Marvin Harrison was one of the best players ever at his position and you never heard a peep out of the guy but it didn't bother many people. Why? Well, how many Comcast campaigns has Marrison starred in?? noidea

"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth

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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:25 PM

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Cubfan41 wrote:
PeanutCB33 wrote: I really do not understand the problem. Maybe Brian just does not wish to own the spotlight, why is that so hard to understand? He may just want to play football, play as best as he can, enjoy the game and be happy with that. I think it is the fans problem if they have some unrealistic need for their athlethes to also be their friends. My favorite Bear is, as one may deduce, Charles "Peanut" Tillman. That is because i like his play on the field, his personality, his character, etc..
  But, just because Brian does not have the same personality as Charles does not mean i do not love him for the athlete that he was. All people are different. In todays world where everyone drives it into our heads to be accepting of all people, people of different races, ethnic backgrounds, sexual preference and religion, why then can we not also be accepting of people with different personalities? You do not have to want to invite Urlacher to your backyard barbecue, he wouldn't come anyway, you just have to watch him play football.
  Brian Urlacher is not the problem, it is the media, the fans, and everyone else that just can't get over the fact that he just may not really give a damn about them. I say deal with it and quit your whining.


And make millions of dollars doing commericals. You can't have it both ways in life. If your going to pimp yourself out as an athlete and do all kinds of advertising campaigns that make you a celebrity on top of being a famous athlete, then expect for your life to be scrutized even further and have even less of a private life.

I think that is one of the many reasons why Cutler has shied away from doing a lot of advertising. He doesn't want to be known as a celebrity beyond just being a professional football player, Kristin Cavallari withstanding.biggrin

  I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I don't hear Urlacher complaining that he has no private life. I just hear everyone complaining that he is an a**hole. And my answer to that is as i said, get over it. Who cares?
  The people i see as the problem are the ones who think it is somehow relevant and necassary to scrutinize his life. Scrutinize his play on the field ,I truly could not care less if he is a "personable" guy or not. As long as he is not out there committing crimes, getting DUI's, having "incidents" in nightclubs at 3 am., and any number of other things many of the NFL's nice personable guys are doing what is the problem. I could not count the number of "nice" and "personable" guys i have know in my life that are full of Sh*t and complete A**holes that are just real good at pretending. I have always said i would take the Honest Prick over the Mr. nice guy hypocrite any day, but that is getting off subject.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:26 PM

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Interesting comments, JC.  I can just imagine what it must have been like, in your position as a sports writer, trying to deal with him over all these years!
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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:33 PM

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PeanutCB33 wrote:   I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I don't hear Urlacher complaining that he has no private life. I just hear everyone complaining that he is an a**hole. And my answer to that is as i said, get over it. Who cares?
  The people i see as the problem are the ones who think it is somehow relevant and necassary to scrutinize his life. Scrutinize his play on the field ,I truly could not care less if he is a "personable" guy or not. As long as he is not out there committing crimes, getting DUI's, having "incidents" in nightclubs at 3 am., and any number of other things many of the NFL's nice personable guys are doing what is the problem. I could not count the number of "nice" and "personable" guys i have know in my life that are full of Sh*t and complete A**holes that are just real good at pretending. I have always said i would take the Honest Prick over the Mr. nice guy hypocrite any day, but that is getting off subject.


Well first he is an a**hole by every account (though he wasn't always that way, fame got to him by every account) but that is besides the point.

Urachler complains he wants to be a football player and that's it. Fine if that's the case be a football player and that's it. But he isn't. He used his status as the face of the "NFL Flagship" team to make millions upon millions doing commericals. And sorry, you have a responsbility to not only your team but also those companies to give a bit more of yourself and to always act in a professional manner. You cannot put your helmet on and play for a few hours and expect it to be left alone especially when your running on your off days to do commericals for McDonald's and Comcast.

It's funny I brought up Cutler because I think he is learning from watching Urachler the past few years. He realized you just cannot play great and expect that to be it. There is a tradeoff. And if that means signing a few more autographs, doing a weekly TV show, giving more informal press conferences by being at your locker to talk more....you do it. Y

To me, Cutler is growing up while Urachler never did. And considering the fact Brian and I are the same age, that is extremely disappointing.

 

 

"Illusions Micheal, illusions. Tricks are something that a whore does for money.....or cocaine". - Gob Bluth
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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:33 PM

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seanyboyspiff wrote:
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Just more snarky comments on his way out the door." Were you referring to Urlacher or yourself, JC...?

OUCH
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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:36 PM

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Cubfan41 wrote:
seanyboyspiff wrote: Oh Jeez...

With respect to our former Bears Board Chief, this article is a piece of crap...

Urlacher is a FOOTBALL player. A good one. Used to be anyway.

He is not, nor has he ever been a journalist, a publicist, or a PR genius. He just wanted to play football, and has stated several times that he does not like to speak to journalists...

And when journalists write this sort of crap piece about him, who can blame the guy?

To me, this article comes off as written as a whiny azz dig at Urlacher, a HALL OF FAME LB, and one of the best players that's ever played in Chicago by a guy that used to cover the Bears. And it's not a dig on his playing, but on how he approached a spotlight Christ knows nothing about.

It's a low blow, man... Coming back to write this piece about how Urlacher didn't give enough attention to the media?

Christ is just piling on, and it's a shame...


"
Just more snarky comments on his way out the door." Were you referring to Urlacher or yourself, JC...?



True but he also by EVERY account was a pain in the ass once he became famous and like I said in my previous post, he wanted it both ways. If he truly wanted to be just a football player and nothing else, then he wouldn't done 1/100 of the off the field promotions/commericals/ad campaigns he did.


After all, Marvin Harrison was one of the best players ever at his position and you never heard a peep out of the guy but it didn't bother many people. Why? Well, how many Comcast campaigns has Marrison starred in?? noidea

So when Vitamin Water came knocking for Urlacher to do some marketing, and he said yes, are you telling me that he then also has to answer annoying questions from guys sticking microphones in his face? Really?

I don't see the correlation. Making commercials does not equal talking to reporters. Totally different, and one has no relation to the other.

To me, they're two different things, and the people that endorsed Urlacher, and hired him to star in their commercials, they're not the ones here ripping on Urlacher at this moment.

It's the reporter that wants to get back at Urlacher for not being kind enough to reporters.

Fricking petty...

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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:37 PM

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Anytime23 wrote:
seanyboyspiff wrote:
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Just more snarky comments on his way out the door." Were you referring to Urlacher or yourself, JC...?

OUCH
Damn right.

I'm pissed that Chief would come back and trash Urlacher like this the day after a great 13 year stint ended.... Sour grapes...

"That was dropped pretty fast. Kellen Davis must have been the arresting officer."  --Seeters

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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:39 PM

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seanyboyspiff wrote:
Cubfan41 wrote:
seanyboyspiff wrote: Oh Jeez...

With respect to our former Bears Board Chief, this article is a piece of crap...

Urlacher is a FOOTBALL player. A good one. Used to be anyway.

He is not, nor has he ever been a journalist, a publicist, or a PR genius. He just wanted to play football, and has stated several times that he does not like to speak to journalists...

And when journalists write this sort of crap piece about him, who can blame the guy?

To me, this article comes off as written as a whiny azz dig at Urlacher, a HALL OF FAME LB, and one of the best players that's ever played in Chicago by a guy that used to cover the Bears. And it's not a dig on his playing, but on how he approached a spotlight Christ knows nothing about.

It's a low blow, man... Coming back to write this piece about how Urlacher didn't give enough attention to the media?

Christ is just piling on, and it's a shame...


"
Just more snarky comments on his way out the door." Were you referring to Urlacher or yourself, JC...?



True but he also by EVERY account was a pain in the ass once he became famous and like I said in my previous post, he wanted it both ways. If he truly wanted to be just a football player and nothing else, then he wouldn't done 1/100 of the off the field promotions/commericals/ad campaigns he did.


After all, Marvin Harrison was one of the best players ever at his position and you never heard a peep out of the guy but it didn't bother many people. Why? Well, how many Comcast campaigns has Marrison starred in?? noidea

So when Vitamin Water came knocking for Urlacher to do some marketing, and he said yes, are you telling me that he then also has to answer annoying questions from guys sticking microphones in his face? Really?

I don't see the correlation. Making commercials does not equal talking to reporters. Totally different, and one has no relation to the other.

To me, they're two different things, and the people that endorsed Urlacher, and hired him to star in their commercials, they're not the ones here ripping on Urlacher at this moment.

It's the reporter that wants to get back at Urlacher for not being kind enough to reporters.

Fricking petty...
Agreed!
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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:47 PM

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Cubfan41 wrote:
Anytime23 wrote:
Bearsfan247 wrote:

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--- ChiFan24 wrote:

Make Brett go away.

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+1

I'm with them.

+1

This might unite the board. biggrin

I'm not sure what Brett has to do with this article, but I agree with the sentiment 100%.

Now if someone were to start a thread on the subject of Brett by itself, I'm sure it would get red hot, and as you said, unite this board.

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Posted: 3/21/2013 2:52 PM

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seeters wrote:
Cubfan41 wrote:
Anytime23 wrote:
Bearsfan247 wrote:

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--- ChiFan24 wrote:

Make Brett go away.

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+1

I'm with them.

+1

This might unite the board. biggrin

I'm not sure what Brett has to do with this article, but I agree with the sentiment 100%.

Now if someone were to start a thread on the subject of Brett by itself, I'm sure it would get red hot, and as you said, unite this board.

It has nothing to do with the subject, but since I have nothing to say about this article that I don't plan on reading, I decided I would let JS know how I feel about his colleague.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 3:01 PM

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ChiFan24 wrote:
seeters wrote:
Cubfan41 wrote:
Anytime23 wrote:
Bearsfan247 wrote:

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--- ChiFan24 wrote:

Make Brett go away.

---------------------------------------------
+1

I'm with them.

+1

This might unite the board. biggrin

I'm not sure what Brett has to do with this article, but I agree with the sentiment 100%.

Now if someone were to start a thread on the subject of Brett by itself, I'm sure it would get red hot, and as you said, unite this board.

It has nothing to do with the subject, but since I have nothing to say about this article that I don't plan on reading, I decided I would let JS know how I feel about his colleague.
As the person who banned Brett: He does not belong on this forum. I said as much when he was 'unabanned' as part of Fox's failed board-change experiment and he was able to post again. I told him straight up "this is exactly why you were banned, and you continue to demonstrate why you do not belong here".

But to be fair to him (a latitude Brett would never afford another poster, and probably does not deserve) it's not like he knows nothing. And despite his poor delivery he makes worthwhile points. I don't particularly care if this is a popular opinion or not (I know it's not), but that's how I feel. So there it is, for whatever that's worth.

I just like dense football talk, and I enjoy the podcasts.
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Posted: 3/21/2013 3:14 PM

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idiosyncronaut wrote:

 And despite his poor delivery he makes worthwhile points.

So did Charles Manson.

Not there is any comparison bewtween the wrongs of the two, but when somebody touts someone else as an "expert", then asks me to pay to hear his opinion, I'm going to wonder what qualifies him even if he's NOT a A#1 arsehole.

There are plenty of guys over plenty of message boards that know alot about football, but I'm not paying to read it.

With JS or JC before him it's different. They talk to players, have locker room access, the bears set him up in a cot at TC, etc.

Bretts no different than any other guy who hours of time to spend every day blogging on the internet.

Again, what qualifies him?
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