ChiFan24 wrote: That's awesome. Someone link the article when it goes up. I liked the guy, and I think he understands how to build a successful team....I'm just not sure about his actual offensive scouting ability.

BEARKILL wrote:

ChiFan24 wrote: That's awesome. Someone link the article when it goes up. I liked the guy, and I think he understands how to build a successful team....I'm just not sure about his actual offensive scouting ability.

Where did Jerry Angelo build a successful team????

ChiFan24 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote:

ChiFan24 wrote: That's awesome. Someone link the article when it goes up. I liked the guy, and I think he understands how to build a successful team....I'm just not sure about his actual offensive scouting ability.

Where did Jerry Angelo build a successful team????

I'm not going to dignify this with an answer.

ChiFan24 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote:

ChiFan24 wrote: That's awesome. Someone link the article when it goes up. I liked the guy, and I think he understands how to build a successful team....I'm just not sure about his actual offensive scouting ability.

Where did Jerry Angelo build a successful team????

I'm not going to dignify this with an answer.

Cubfan41 wrote:

ChiFan24 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote:

ChiFan24 wrote: That's awesome. Someone link the article when it goes up. I liked the guy, and I think he understands how to build a successful team....I'm just not sure about his actual offensive scouting ability.

Where did Jerry Angelo build a successful team????

I'm not going to dignify this with an answer.

+1

Yeah, say what you want about Jerry Angelo but the Bears from 2001-2011 went 95-81 while 4 NFC North Division Titles, 2 NFC Conference Appearances and 1 Super Bowl apperance.

That is a very solid decade. Not great but very solid especially when you consider the disaster the Bears were the previous decade.

BEARKILL wrote: H,mmmm         That's football hell to me . Not successful enough to win the big one.
That's not sustained success. That's not even being a perennial successful team.
95-81 ..., thats slightly more than a 500 % team. That,s football hell.

No guy, Cleveland and Detroit are Football Hell.

You really need to stack up the Bears accomplishments over that time period and compared to the rest of the league. Sorry but it stacks up very well overall. Like I said, it was a solid period for the Bears organization. Was it great? No. The Patriots and Steelers had a great period but that doesn't diminish what the Bears accomplished. Hell, from 2001-2011 only 14 different NFL teams actually made it to the SB. That means over half the league was even shutout from making the big game. That itself is a accomplishment.

You need another example of true "Football Hell"? See the Bears from 1992-2000. That was football hell.

Cubfan41 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote: H,mmmm         That's football hell to me . Not successful enough to win the big one.
That's not sustained success. That's not even being a perennial successful team.
95-81 ..., thats slightly more than a 500 % team. That,s football hell.

No guy, Cleveland and Detroit are Football Hell.

 

You really need to stack up the Bears accomplishments over that time period and compared to the rest of the league. Sorry but it stacks up very well overall. Like I said, it was a solid period for the Bears organization. Was it great? No. The Patriots and Steelers had a great period but that doesn't diminish what the Bears accomplished. Hell, from 2001-2011 only 14 different NFL teams actually made it to the SB. That means over half the league was even shutout from making the big game. That itself is a accomplishment.

You need another example of true "Football Hell"? See the Bears from 1992-2000. That was football hell.

 

BearRebel wrote: What got Angelo fired was that he didn't keep up with the Packers. They past the Bears in overall roster talent during his tenure.

Cubfan41 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote: H,mmmm         That's football hell to me . Not successful enough to win the big one.
That's not sustained success. That's not even being a perennial successful team.
95-81 ..., thats slightly more than a 500 % team. That,s football hell.

No guy, Cleveland and Detroit are Football Hell.

 

You really need to stack up the Bears accomplishments over that time period and compared to the rest of the league. Sorry but it stacks up very well overall. Like I said, it was a solid period for the Bears organization. Was it great? No. The Patriots and Steelers had a great period but that doesn't diminish what the Bears accomplished. Hell, from 2001-2011 only 14 different NFL teams actually made it to the SB. That means over half the league was even shutout from making the big game. That itself is a accomplishment.

You need another example of true "Football Hell"? See the Bears from 1992-2000. That was football hell.

 

PeanutCB33 wrote:

Cubfan41 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote: H,mmmm         That's football hell to me . Not successful enough to win the big one.
That's not sustained success. That's not even being a perennial successful team.
95-81 ..., thats slightly more than a 500 % team. That,s football hell.

No guy, Cleveland and Detroit are Football Hell.

 

You really need to stack up the Bears accomplishments over that time period and compared to the rest of the league. Sorry but it stacks up very well overall. Like I said, it was a solid period for the Bears organization. Was it great? No. The Patriots and Steelers had a great period but that doesn't diminish what the Bears accomplished. Hell, from 2001-2011 only 14 different NFL teams actually made it to the SB. That means over half the league was even shutout from making the big game. That itself is a accomplishment.

You need another example of true "Football Hell"? See the Bears from 1992-2000. That was football hell.

 

If Detroit is Football Hell, then the Bears over the last 10 years is at least Football Purgatory. And when you have to live and work with Packer Fans it is most certainly Football Hell. Win the Superbowl or go away.

BEARKILL wrote:

Cubfan41 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote: H,mmmm         That's football hell to me . Not successful enough to win the big one.
That's not sustained success. That's not even being a perennial successful team.
95-81 ..., thats slightly more than a 500 % team. That,s football hell.

No guy, Cleveland and Detroit are Football Hell.

 

You really need to stack up the Bears accomplishments over that time period and compared to the rest of the league. Sorry but it stacks up very well overall. Like I said, it was a solid period for the Bears organization. Was it great? No. The Patriots and Steelers had a great period but that doesn't diminish what the Bears accomplished. Hell, from 2001-2011 only 14 different NFL teams actually made it to the SB. That means over half the league was even shutout from making the big game. That itself is a accomplishment.

You need another example of true "Football Hell"? See the Bears from 1992-2000. That was football hell.

 

Different matters of opinions that"s all. What you think are accomplishments over that time period , i think is marginal, in My words ( football hell ).  It sounds to me you would have been 'Content' with Jerry for another 10 years, sorry not me Pal.

I thought I listed their accomplishments over that period earlier. And winning 54% of your regular season games over a course of 10-years is nothing to sneeze at.

As for Angelo, short term I was okay one way or the other. I would have been okay if they let him stay on for 1 more year and let try to finish out the core he built just like I been okay with Lovie staying on for one more year. But if they let them go  when they did and went into a new direction before the Angelo/Lovie core played out it's string, I was okay with that too.

Long term, I thought it was time to move in a new direction. They had been here over a decade and it's nearly impossible to stay at one place and be very successful at the same gig. Theo Epstein actually quoted Bill Walsh when he was first hired by the Cubs about that same thing. Sometimes both parties need a fresh perspective to be successful. It was becoming clear that was true with both Lovie and Angelo.

So yes, while I am pleased with the new direction of Trestman as the new HC and extremely pleased with Emery as the new GM, I am not going to crap all over what Angelo/Lovie did for this franchise like a small group did on here. Beyond the fact that the Bears under them were very respectable and solid, they turn a really laughingstock of a organization and made it one of the plum jobs in the NFL again.

Proof? Go back to 2001. Who really wanted to come to Chicago and coach and/or be the GM of that team?? Hell guy, Dave Bleeping McGinnis realized it was a bad gig and the Bears had to go down to like their third pick of a HC back in 1999 with Dick Jauron. Flash forward to two months ago when the Bears had a HC vacancy and almost universally everyone said it was the best job available to go along with being one of the best jobs in football, period. Ditto for a year ago when there was a GM vacancy.

That's what Angelo/Lovie did for the Bears. They turn a crap organization and made it one of the most respected in the game again. And if you cannot understand or refuse, then you stop being objective and are subjective therefore we should just move on.....

PeanutCB33 wrote: If Detroit is Football Hell, then the Bears over the last 10 years is at least Football Purgatory. And when you have to live and work with Packer Fans it is most certainly Football Hell. Win the Superbowl or go away.

Detroit did not even make the playoffs over the entire 2000's.

Overraction sometimes can really be a head scratcher. And I am married to a Packer fan. I think you I got you beat in that dept. And if they have no life outside of football like many Packer fans do, then that is their problem - not yours.

Cubfan41 wrote:

So yes, while I am pleased with the new direction of Trestman as the new HC and extremely pleased with Emery as the new GM, I am not going to crap all over what Angelo/Lovie did for this franchise like a small group did on here. Beyond the fact that the Bears under them were very respectable and solid, they turn a really laughingstock of a organization and made it one of the plum jobs in the NFL again.

 

Proof? Go back to 2001. Who really wanted to come to Chicago and coach and/or be the GM of that team?? Hell guy, Dave Bleeping McGinnis realized it was a bad gig and the Bears had to go down to like their third pick of a HC back in 1999 with Dick Jauron. Flash forward to two months ago when the Bears had a HC vacancy and almost universally everyone said it was the best job available to go along with being one of the best jobs in football, period. Ditto for a year ago when there was a GM vacancy.

That's what Angelo/Lovie did for the Bears. They turn a crap organization and made it one of the most respected in the game again. And if you cannot understand or refuse, then you stop being objective and are subjective therefore we should just move on.....

Cubfan41 wrote:

PeanutCB33 wrote: If Detroit is Football Hell, then the Bears over the last 10 years is at least Football Purgatory. And when you have to live and work with Packer Fans it is most certainly Football Hell. Win the Superbowl or go away.

Detroit did not even make the playoffs over the entire 2000's.

 

Overraction sometimes can really be a head scratcher. And I am married to a Packer fan. I think you I got you beat in that dept. And if they have no life outside of football like many Packer fans do, then that is their problem - not yours.

Cubfan41 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote:

Cubfan41 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote: H,mmmm         That's football hell to me . Not successful enough to win the big one.
That's not sustained success. That's not even being a perennial successful team.
95-81 ..., thats slightly more than a 500 % team. That,s football hell.

No guy, Cleveland and Detroit are Football Hell.

 

You really need to stack up the Bears accomplishments over that time period and compared to the rest of the league. Sorry but it stacks up very well overall. Like I said, it was a solid period for the Bears organization. Was it great? No. The Patriots and Steelers had a great period but that doesn't diminish what the Bears accomplished. Hell, from 2001-2011 only 14 different NFL teams actually made it to the SB. That means over half the league was even shutout from making the big game. That itself is a accomplishment.

You need another example of true "Football Hell"? See the Bears from 1992-2000. That was football hell.

 

Different matters of opinions that"s all. What you think are accomplishments over that time period , i think is marginal, in My words ( football hell ).  It sounds to me you would have been 'Content' with Jerry for another 10 years, sorry not me Pal.

I thought I listed their accomplishments over that period earlier. And winning 54% of your regular season games over a course of 10-years is nothing to sneeze at.

As for Angelo, short term I was okay one way or the other. I would have been okay if they let him stay on for 1 more year and let try to finish out the core he built just like I been okay with Lovie staying on for one more year. But if they let them go  when they did and went into a new direction before the Angelo/Lovie core played out it's string, I was okay with that too.

 

Long term, I thought it was time to move in a new direction. They had been here over a decade and it's nearly impossible to stay at one place and be very successful at the same gig. Theo Epstein actually quoted Bill Walsh when he was first hired by the Cubs about that same thing. Sometimes both parties need a fresh perspective to be successful. It was becoming clear that was true with both Lovie and Angelo.

So yes, while I am pleased with the new direction of Trestman as the new HC and extremely pleased with Emery as the new GM, I am not going to crap all over what Angelo/Lovie did for this franchise like a small group did on here. Beyond the fact that the Bears under them were very respectable and solid, they turn a really laughingstock of a organization and made it one of the plum jobs in the NFL again.

 

Proof? Go back to 2001. Who really wanted to come to Chicago and coach and/or be the GM of that team?? Hell guy, Dave Bleeping McGinnis realized it was a bad gig and the Bears had to go down to like their third pick of a HC back in 1999 with Dick Jauron. Flash forward to two months ago when the Bears had a HC vacancy and almost universally everyone said it was the best job available to go along with being one of the best jobs in football, period. Ditto for a year ago when there was a GM vacancy.

That's what Angelo/Lovie did for the Bears. They turn a crap organization and made it one of the most respected in the game again. And if you cannot understand or refuse, then you stop being objective and are subjective therefore we should just move on.....

PeanutCB33 wrote:I guess i don't get what you mean by overreaction, by my estimate you hire a coach and put a team together to win superbowl, if you don't win you failed. I know people who have Chicago Bears coats from the 06 season that declare NFC Champions. I never understood the pride in being number 2, win it all or you failed. And as far as your wife being a Packer Fan you may have me beat, all i got are my Fiance', my mother, my sister and her husband, my niece, nephew, their significant others and their kids, yeah the NFC Championship game (which i watched in Waukesha Wi. at my sisters home with all of them and me) a couple years ago was definitely Football Hell in my world. And before anyone says it, yes i enjoy each and every game along the way.

Maybe they don't measure themselves by what the team they root for and instead just enjoy for what it is: Entertainment. 

And I guess according to your standard then either you "win it all or your a complete failure", then Warren Buffett should throw himself off a bridge since he is the only the 2nd most richest man in America today, not the most.

BEARKILL wrote:

Cubfan41 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote:

Cubfan41 wrote:

BEARKILL wrote: H,mmmm         That's football hell to me . Not successful enough to win the big one.
That's not sustained success. That's not even being a perennial successful team.
95-81 ..., thats slightly more than a 500 % team. That,s football hell.

No guy, Cleveland and Detroit are Football Hell.

 

You really need to stack up the Bears accomplishments over that time period and compared to the rest of the league. Sorry but it stacks up very well overall. Like I said, it was a solid period for the Bears organization. Was it great? No. The Patriots and Steelers had a great period but that doesn't diminish what the Bears accomplished. Hell, from 2001-2011 only 14 different NFL teams actually made it to the SB. That means over half the league was even shutout from making the big game. That itself is a accomplishment.

You need another example of true "Football Hell"? See the Bears from 1992-2000. That was football hell.

 

Different matters of opinions that"s all. What you think are accomplishments over that time period , i think is marginal, in My words ( football hell ).  It sounds to me you would have been 'Content' with Jerry for another 10 years, sorry not me Pal.

I thought I listed their accomplishments over that period earlier. And winning 54% of your regular season games over a course of 10-years is nothing to sneeze at.

As for Angelo, short term I was okay one way or the other. I would have been okay if they let him stay on for 1 more year and let try to finish out the core he built just like I been okay with Lovie staying on for one more year. But if they let them go  when they did and went into a new direction before the Angelo/Lovie core played out it's string, I was okay with that too.

 

Long term, I thought it was time to move in a new direction. They had been here over a decade and it's nearly impossible to stay at one place and be very successful at the same gig. Theo Epstein actually quoted Bill Walsh when he was first hired by the Cubs about that same thing. Sometimes both parties need a fresh perspective to be successful. It was becoming clear that was true with both Lovie and Angelo.

So yes, while I am pleased with the new direction of Trestman as the new HC and extremely pleased with Emery as the new GM, I am not going to crap all over what Angelo/Lovie did for this franchise like a small group did on here. Beyond the fact that the Bears under them were very respectable and solid, they turn a really laughingstock of a organization and made it one of the plum jobs in the NFL again.

 

Proof? Go back to 2001. Who really wanted to come to Chicago and coach and/or be the GM of that team?? Hell guy, Dave Bleeping McGinnis realized it was a bad gig and the Bears had to go down to like their third pick of a HC back in 1999 with Dick Jauron. Flash forward to two months ago when the Bears had a HC vacancy and almost universally everyone said it was the best job available to go along with being one of the best jobs in football, period. Ditto for a year ago when there was a GM vacancy.

That's what Angelo/Lovie did for the Bears. They turn a crap organization and made it one of the most respected in the game again. And if you cannot understand or refuse, then you stop being objective and are subjective therefore we should just move on.....

You did list what you call their accomplishments, to me unless you win the super bowl, second place is just , well second place. Even though i think second place is giving Jerry/Lovie a lot more credit then they deserve, to me its not the goal i believe the Chicago Bear fans want...  54 % winning percentage over 10 years is nothing i would be proud to say about the team i root for, fight for , and on a living basis , deal with the Packer Fans i have to endure in my life.
Furthermore i disagree with you in giving credit to Jerry/Lovie for the turn around of a franchise that was laughable or as you say " a plum job". .... Do you remember Jerry's free agency when he was to fill something out on a player but he forgot????   I Vaguely 
remember but i can find out the real truth if need be. Or how about the time , A few drafts ago, Jerry screwed over Baltimore by infringing on the draft pick, I vaguely remember that also but im sure a fan as yourself you know what im talking about. NOOOOOOO  Jerry was more of an embarrasment to the Bear organization and 
the Bear fan base, and Lovie should have been fired last year IMO. 
With the hiring of Phil Emery is what turned the Bears head coaching job the Premiere Job in football. Phil Emery, peroid............... The laughing stock days left the Chicago Bear organization when Phil Emery took over, PERIOD.
And if you don't see that, .......................................I'M SORRY.

I use fact/examples/logic for my answer. I have yet to anything like from you other then "vague" answers which are cherry picked to the highest degree over someone ones tenure.

Again, let's move on because your doing yourself no favors....