If he's fired in San Diego, the Bears need to call him and ask if he wants the OC job.  We need a legitimate offensive play caller in there who can design real game plans that take advantage of an opposing defense and have a strategy each and every week for each and every team.

Norv is a terrible head coach, but he's a bright offensive mind, I mean legitimately a bright offensive mind, not like Martz who claimed to be but was a has been.  

We can plod along with Tice but not much more than that.  He can call plays, but he can't master the strategy part.

Im with this idea 100%.

Sad but true.

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--- skepticalbear wrote:

If he's fired in San Diego, the Bears need to call him and ask if he wants the OC job.  We need a legitimate offensive play caller in there who can design real game plans that take advantage of an opposing defense and have a strategy each and every week for each and every team.

Norv is a terrible head coach, but he's a bright offensive mind, I mean legitimately a bright offensive mind, not like Martz who claimed to be but was a has been.  

We can plod along with Tice but not much more than that.  He can call plays, but he can't master the strategy part.

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Cant's say I agree or disagree at this point...but that would be offense #4 in 5 years. The thought makes me nauseous.

TheBowlPole wrote: Cant's say I agree or disagree at this point...but that would be offense #4 in 5 years. The thought makes me nauseous.

I like it better than having Tice for two years and then getting a new OC. Ive been saying it...When its all said and done, Jay Cutlers career will be a complete waste in Chicago. He'll go down as the Bears best but not nearly as good as he could and should have been.

Anytime23 wrote:

TheBowlPole wrote: Cant's say I agree or disagree at this point...but that would be offense #4 in 5 years. The thought makes me nauseous.

I like it better than having Tice for two years and then getting a new OC. Ive been saying it...When its all said and done, Jay Cutlers career will be a complete waste in Chicago. He'll go down as the Bears best but not nearly as good as he could and should have been.

I just projectile puked because of the horrific possibilities in your comment...

I worry that this may have already happened.


The projectile puke emoticon is not available.

Norv is one helluva OC. Wouldn't mind having him. He's proved it at multiple stops as an OC, even in SF when they were anemic.

Whoever next year's new HC is will bring in who they want as OC.

Doesn't matter who the OC is with this OL.  Emery has to make priorities #1, #2, #3 and #4 to fix this OL.  You can't game plan if you can't block.  Carimi is turning into a major flop.  Webb doesn't use his arms and the interior just isn't tough enough.  

No OC can design plays without having at least an adequate OL.  Tice has bee exposed as an OL coach.  Only a matter of time before he is exposed as an OC.  Defense is getting old, Cutler is getting destroyed. 

A lot of people wrote that the age of a team shows up as the season goes along.  This is true.  We will see just how good this D is over the next 6 games.

Our offensive line is good enough to hide against mediocre teams... this line will NEVER give us an opportunity to win vs. top tier talent.

Packers - disaster
Texans - disaster (however they blocked better... weather conditions helped on the edges)
49ers - disaster

skepticalbear wrote: If he's fired in San Diego, the Bears need to call him and ask if he wants the OC job.  We need a legitimate offensive play caller in there who can design real game plans that take advantage of an opposing defense and have a strategy each and every week for each and every team.

Norv is a terrible head coach, but he's a bright offensive mind, I mean legitimately a bright offensive mind, not like Martz who claimed to be but was a has been.  

We can plod along with Tice but not much more than that.  He can call plays, but he can't master the strategy part.

You guys still don't get it.  Turner, Martz or Reid.   That's bad enough.  But you want another slinger OC that has to have Hall of Fame tools (players) to survive week to week? 

And don't kid yourself.  It was Turner (the head coach/ offensive coordinator) that took a ready made 12 win playoff team and turned it into a one dimensional offensive mess as well as destroying a once confident QB.   

After watching what a complete football team built inside out can do under a coach like Harbaugh and a rookie QB?  You want a Turner?

Contrast that with Harbaugh and the many formations they presented to the Bears.  And they run out of each of those formations as well as play action.  How can anybody watch the ass whip the Bears were handed and then think of Norv Turner as a possible answer.

Turner is no smarter than Tice.  And certainly one dimensional compared to Harbaugh.


Edit:  If you want a coach that could get the Bears past this offensive rut by not ignoring the offensive line and understanding how to run a multi-faceted offense starting with a strong running game that will allow a QB to thrive over the top.  First, fire Smith. 

Then maybe you should think Sean Payton.

hey1bum6 wrote: Our offensive line is good enough to hide against mediocre teams... this line will NEVER give us an opportunity to win vs. top tier talent.

Packers - disaster
Texans - disaster (however they blocked better... weather conditions helped on the edges)
49ers - disaster

PANTHERS - NEAR DISASTER

I totally agree we need a legit O.C. -- Both Martz and Tice got the job because literally no one else wanted it. Now we have Cutler, Marshall, Jeffrey, Forte, Bush, and hopefully we'll get some kind of legitimate talent on the O-Line in the offseason. Maybe that will be enough to lure a real OC here--whether Lovie wants him or not.

You are correct,  No coach could improve this offense with the players we have on the offensive line.  I just cant understand this organization's strategy regarding the current players we have on the Offensive line!  Today, we are the butt of all jokes around the NFL.

sanbear wrote:

skepticalbear wrote: If he's fired in San Diego, the Bears need to call him and ask if he wants the OC job.  We need a legitimate offensive play caller in there who can design real game plans that take advantage of an opposing defense and have a strategy each and every week for each and every team.

Norv is a terrible head coach, but he's a bright offensive mind, I mean legitimately a bright offensive mind, not like Martz who claimed to be but was a has been.  

We can plod along with Tice but not much more than that.  He can call plays, but he can't master the strategy part.

You guys still don't get it.  Turner, Martz or Reid.   That's bad enough.  But you want another slinger OC that has to have Hall of Fame tools (players) to survive week to week? 

And don't kid yourself.  It was Turner (the head coach/ offensive coordinator) that took a ready made 12 win playoff team and turned it into a one dimensional offensive mess as well as destroying a once confident QB.   

After watching what a complete football team built inside out can do under a coach like Harbaugh and a rookie QB?  You want a Turner?

Contrast that with Harbaugh and the many formations they presented to the Bears.  And they run out of each of those formations as well as play action.  How can anybody watch the ass whip the Bears were handed and then think of Norv Turner as a possible answer.

Turner is no smarter than Tice.  And certainly one dimensional compared to Harbaugh.


Edit:  If you want a coach that could get the Bears past this offensive rut by not ignoring the offensive line and understanding how to run a multi-faceted offense starting with a strong running game that will allow a QB to thrive over the top.  First, fire Smith. 

Then maybe you should think Sean Payton.

I agree 100% been saying it since day one. However, I don't really care for Norv Turner, I would rather see almost anyone else.

Anytime23 wrote:

TheBowlPole wrote: Cant's say I agree or disagree at this point...but that would be offense #4 in 5 years. The thought makes me nauseous.

I like it better than having Tice for two years and then getting a new OC. Ive been saying it...When its all said and done, Jay Cutlers career will be a complete waste in Chicago. He'll go down as the Bears best but not nearly as good as he could and should have been.

I said last night in the game chat that I wished the Bears were running the 49ers offensive scheme. It was a really nice scheme and well executed. I think the Bears have the offensive players to run that type of scheme (oline excluded of course).

sanbear wrote:

skepticalbear wrote: If he's fired in San Diego, the Bears need to call him and ask if he wants the OC job.  We need a legitimate offensive play caller in there who can design real game plans that take advantage of an opposing defense and have a strategy each and every week for each and every team.

Norv is a terrible head coach, but he's a bright offensive mind, I mean legitimately a bright offensive mind, not like Martz who claimed to be but was a has been.  

We can plod along with Tice but not much more than that.  He can call plays, but he can't master the strategy part.

You guys still don't get it.  Turner, Martz or Reid.   That's bad enough.  But you want another slinger OC that has to have Hall of Fame tools (players) to survive week to week? 

And don't kid yourself.  It was Turner (the head coach/ offensive coordinator) that took a ready made 12 win playoff team and turned it into a one dimensional offensive mess as well as destroying a once confident QB.   

After watching what a complete football team built inside out can do under a coach like Harbaugh and a rookie QB?  You want a Turner?

Contrast that with Harbaugh and the many formations they presented to the Bears.  And they run out of each of those formations as well as play action.  How can anybody watch the ass whip the Bears were handed and then think of Norv Turner as a possible answer.

Turner is no smarter than Tice.  And certainly one dimensional compared to Harbaugh.


Edit:  If you want a coach that could get the Bears past this offensive rut by not ignoring the offensive line and understanding how to run a multi-faceted offense starting with a strong running game that will allow a QB to thrive over the top.  First, fire Smith. 

Then maybe you should think Sean Payton.

People talk about wanting the offense to look as smooth as the Packers, Texans, Giants, Saints....so on so on

You realize that will never be possible if we change coordinators every year.

You want the offense to look like the guys that have been running the same offense for 6 years. But if we change offenses every 6 months.....it will never happen.

I would hire Payton in a red hot minute.

just wondering do you think jay cutler likes m.tice as o.c.?

it seems to me we keep placating him doesn't like turner gone martz we all saw that gone tice?

oline greatest weakness on this team

The thought of putting Cutler through another new offense is sickening.  But, I just don't believe in Tice... This o-line stinks and that was supposed to be his forte.  His game planning and play calling have been suspect all year.  This team has not started games well and his scripted plays for the first quarter have been a joke.  

Watching the play calling after 1/2 time last night confirmed what I expected all year is that he hasn't a clue.  Granted, he had Campbell in there but I will not give him the excuse of protection because Tice is the one who said he could coach these guys up.  The o-line looked like boys playing against men.

gcoop33 wrote: People talk about wanting the offense to look as smooth as the Packers, Texans, Giants, Saints....so on so on

You realize that will never be possible if we change coordinators every year.

You want the offense to look like the guys that have been running the same offense for 6 years. But if we change offenses every 6 months.....it will never happen.

I completely understand your point and it's a good one.  Believe me, I don't want us to have to switch coordinators.  But I don't think any of us can say Tice is going to be that guy who builds a smooth offense even if provide some better guys up front.