Posted: 1/17/2013 7:27 AM
Posted: 1/17/2013 11:34 AM
Notably absent in any of the statements was a specific note of which specific Obama executive orders were the outrageous ones. Are we still going to impeach Obama? For which thing, for promising to nominate an ATF director? For informing the CDC that their scientists are, in fact, allowed to at least examine the issue of gun violence? The bit about more armed security officers in schools, which was the National Rifle Association's greatest plan ever but which presumably is what Hitler would have done, now that Obama actually agreed to it? Let's run down the list of oh-so-wounded responses.
Sen. Marco Rubio:
“Nothing the President is proposing would have stopped the massacre at Sandy Hook. President Obama is targeting the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens instead of seriously addressing the real underlying causes of such violence. Rolling back responsible citizens’ rights is not the proper response to tragedies committed by criminals and the mentally ill. Making matters worse is that President Obama is again abusing his power by imposing his policies via executive fiat instead of allowing them to be debated in Congress. President Obama’s frustration with our republic and the way it works doesn’t give him license to ignore the Constitution.
Rick Perry, who is just phoning it in from Xanax-and-booze-land, at this point:
"There is evil prowling in the world - it shows up in our movies, video games and online fascinations, and finds its way into vulnerable hearts and minds. As a free people, let us choose what kind of people we will be. Laws, the only redoubt of secularism, will not suffice. Let us all return to our places of worship and pray for help. Above all, let us pray for our children."In fact, the piling on by the political left, and their cohorts in the media, to use the massacre of little children to advance a pre-existing political agenda that would not have saved those children, disgusts me, personally. The second amendment to the Constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot be nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president."
"In fact, the piling on by the political left, and their cohorts in the media, to use the massacre of little children to advance a pre-existing political agenda that would not have saved those children, disgusts me, personally. The second amendment to the Constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot be nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president."
The Republican National Committee, still run by eternal twelve year old Reince Preibus:
“President Obama’s series of gun control measures amount to an executive power grab that may please his political base but will not solve the problems at hand. He paid lip service to our fundamental constitutional rights, but took actions that disregard the 2nd Amendment and the legislative process. Representative government is meant to give voice to the people; President Obama’s unilateral executive action ignores this principle,” said RNC Chairman Reince Priebus.
Murderer's Row, formerly known as the National Rifle Association:
Attacking firearms and ignoring children is not a solution to the crisis we face as a nation. Only honest, law-abiding gun owners will be affected and our children will remain vulnerable to the inevitability of more tragedy.
The entire government of Mississippi, which on the bright side apparently still has a government of sorts and has not gone all Mad Max on us just yet:
Leading the charge to ignore new federal regulations is Mississippi, where the state’s Republican governor and state House speaker took to the mics right after Obama finished announcing his plans and pledged to ensure the ones they don’t like don’t take effect in the state.The Constitution is clear that such an effort would be illegal. Nevertheless, the Mississippi leaders say they have a plan.
The Constitution is clear that such an effort would be illegal. Nevertheless, the Mississippi leaders say they have a plan.
Genius, that guy.
And then there's Rand Paul. Rand Paul may or may not be angling for a spot as America's dumbest senator—I don't know, I'm not privy to the Republican mind—but he wants you to know that the President's outrageous executive orders, things like nominating someone to head the ATF and maybe looking at how to let the appropriate agencies more easily share information about crazy people who really shouldn't be allowed to buy guns, this tyranny will not stand.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has a plan to undo President Obama’s executive actions on guns. […]“We only have descriptions of the executive actions, yet many could be construed to describe an attempt by the executive to make laws in violation of the Article 1, Sec. 8 of the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment,” reads the one-page summary of the Paul plan shared with TPM by his staff.Paul’s bill will set out to nullify Obama’s executive actions, deny any federal funding for their implementation, and allow members of Congress and state officials to challenge the actions in court.
“We only have descriptions of the executive actions, yet many could be construed to describe an attempt by the executive to make laws in violation of the Article 1, Sec. 8 of the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment,” reads the one-page summary of the Paul plan shared with TPM by his staff.
Paul’s bill will set out to nullify Obama’s executive actions, deny any federal funding for their implementation, and allow members of Congress and state officials to challenge the actions in court.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 3:05 PM
gr82bAnAUTiger wrote: We're limiting the rights of law abiding citizens when the problem is those that break the law.
Posted: 1/17/2013 3:27 PM
Posted: 1/17/2013 4:50 PM
sturg33 wrote: Obama's proposal is to throw more money at a non-problem and a problem that can't be resolved. Yay
Posted: 1/17/2013 6:12 PM
Here's the list, via the White House. (I did not engage in complication reporter-fu to get this. It's the general fact sheet.)
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
Last edited 1/17/2013 6:40 PM by 57Brave
Posted: 1/17/2013 10:16 PM
57Brave wrote: sturg33 wrote: Obama's proposal is to throw more money at a non-problem and a problem that can't be resolved. Yay Will you cite which provisions and how much money?let me help:
Posted: 1/17/2013 10:48 PM
Posted: 1/17/2013 11:21 PM
57Brave wrote: Because for instance universal backround checks would cost money. According to CBS/NYTimes poll released today, 93% are in favor of universal backround checks. Another might be is it is being reported some of the Sandy Hook children were found riddled with up to 11 bullet holes.I really don't know how you put a price tag on that. And, if you really feel you have to, $10M per state seems pretty cheap. Shoot, here in Fla instead of drug testing unemployment compensation people we could pretty much pay for the saftey measures being discussed. One poster suggested ending the war on drugs and using that money as a sort of peace dividend.My thoughts gr8 are the time spent freaking out over the sticker price -- could be used finding ways to afford it. We are after all the greatest nation on earth, right?Like the kids say, "no brainer"
Posted: 1/17/2013 11:59 PM
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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:26 AM
57Brave wrote: Still no one has commented on how it will effect them! I know there are some firearm owners on this board --- what will this mean to your shooting activities - purchasing -- the act of owning etc.Ir I read this properly the whole of gun ownership is grandfathered in.Is that right?
Posted: 1/18/2013 10:41 AM
57Brave wrote: I implied no such thing.
Posted: 1/18/2013 11:35 AM
gr82bAnAUTiger wrote: 57Brave wrote: I implied no such thing.So, if spending the money won't stop elementary kids from getting shot, why are you using the shootings as some sort of justification for spending the money we don't have?We can't keep printing money like we are, we're going to get HUGE inflation when the other countries decide enough is enough.
Posted: 1/18/2013 11:40 AM
sturg33 wrote: "That'll never happen here" GR8...
Posted: 1/18/2013 11:53 AM
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