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Posted: 8/19/2014 3:04 PM

Jason Heyward 


Peter Gammons was on the MLB Rundown today and said Heyward will either be signed to an extension or traded this offseason. This has been widely speculated so it is not new news. Most here believe Justin Upton is the one traded since he also will be in his last contract year.

There has been talk about the team revisiting the BJ Upton trade talk in the offseason. If both Uptons are traded it could open a spot for Peraza to learn LF in the offseason. Big Big decisions to be made this winter.
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:32 PM

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Funny that you started this thread.  I was thinking of starting a thread about Heyward regarding how disappointing he has been in my eyes. 

There was a ton of hype when he was called up.  He was supposed to be the next big thing.  But it just hasn't materialized.  And here is the concerning thing for me ... he is finally healthy and his power is still missing.  His OPS is .740 and if it stays where it is it will be the second sub 800 OPS in the last two seasons after what was supposed to be his breakout year in 2012.  He's on pace for 13 HRs and 61 RBIs.  That's just awful if you consider what he was supposed to be and what the Braves needed him to be. 

He seems to be going backwards and regressing instead of getting better.  A trade might be the best thing in regards to Heyward.  Of course, I am sure if he is traded, he will turn into the player everyone thought he would be and we would all sit here and say ... "why the heck did we trade that guy".  Kind of like what I say to myself in regards to Wainwright.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:40 AM

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MACBrave wrote: Funny that you started this thread.  I was thinking of starting a thread about Heyward regarding how disappointing he has been in my eyes. 

There was a ton of hype when he was called up.  He was supposed to be the next big thing.  But it just hasn't materialized.  And here is the concerning thing for me ... he is finally healthy and his power is still missing.  His OPS is .740 and if it stays where it is it will be the second sub 800 OPS in the last two seasons after what was supposed to be his breakout year in 2012.  He's on pace for 13 HRs and 61 RBIs.  That's just awful if you consider what he was supposed to be and what the Braves needed him to be. 

He seems to be going backwards and regressing instead of getting better.  A trade might be the best thing in regards to Heyward.  Of course, I am sure if he is traded, he will turn into the player everyone thought he would be and we would all sit here and say ... "why the heck did we trade that guy".  Kind of like what I say to myself in regards to Wainwright.
I strongly disagree.   Modern evaluation of players includes sabermetric stats, and among the most comprehensive stats that measure a player's value to a team is WAR.  Heyward in second in the league in WAR.  How can you call him disappointing?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:30 PM

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There is just as much a division on Heyward on this board as others.  Your point was made in the first comment.

Your point was weakened when you pile on WAR as being the end all stat.  JMHO

Just occured to me.  There is a poster on another board who lives and breathes WAR.  Last year he was hoping that Braves would resign McCann at 5M per WAR point.  Withour looking it up, is McCann worth that 17M or however many WAR dollars he would have gotten?

Myself, I feel Heyward is no doubt the best athlete on the team and if somehow Wren is able to move BJ without breaking the bank, and Heyward would agree to move to CF, I would give him the years and money BJ should be earning.  Maybe a little more but certainly not 22.5M per.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 4:41 PM

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PawPawMaxwell wrote: There is just as much a division on Heyward on this board as others.  Your point was made in the first comment.

Your point was weakened when you pile on WAR as being the end all stat.  JMHO

Just occured to me.  There is a poster on another board who lives and breathes WAR.  Last year he was hoping that Braves would resign McCann at 5M per WAR point.  Withour looking it up, is McCann worth that 17M or however many WAR dollars he would have gotten?

Myself, I feel Heyward is no doubt the best athlete on the team and if somehow Wren is able to move BJ without breaking the bank, and Heyward would agree to move to CF, I would give him the years and money BJ should be earning.  Maybe a little more but certainly not 22.5M per.
DIdn't say be all end all.  I'd love to see his OPS well over .800.  Wish particularly that he'd hit a lot more homers, but his overall play is way, way above league average.  I was just citing WAR as a stat that is more indicative of overall value, instead of just focusing on batting stats.  If he helps win games, it doesn't matter if it's his glove, his legs or his bat, it's baseball playing.  

I would even agree that his offense is a little disappointing, though if you take out the abysmal April, only the homers would be disappointing to me.  As a player, though, I don't see how anyone could consider him a disappointment.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 8:24 PM

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Given the choice of any of the outfielders if you wanted to keep one Heyward would seem the obvious choice, but not at a huge salary. I hate to always sound negative, but if what you are going to get out of Heyward in a great year is .280/20/80 you just can not give him big money, not when you can get someone else that'll give you .280/15/65 for a whole lot less.

Essentially I think that the BJ/Uggla deal has completely screwed the Braves over for the next few years, and it will be a struggle for us to compete at a high level. Not unless some of these younger guys really, really come on, and though it looks like we have several solid players, they'd probably be great on a team with a couple of real studs as role players, but to carry a team?

This sounds unfair, I know, but the fact that Jason has not done any more than he has is emblematic, in my mind, of the overall failure of the system to provide great talent over the last few years. Yes, Simmons won a Gold Glove, and that sure as heck isn't anything to sneeze at, but you have to be able to score runs to win big, and the Braves are about the worst I've seen doing that over the length of this season as I have seen for awhile.

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Posted: 8/20/2014 9:16 PM

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I understand what your saying Bama but what is great talent in your opinion? MVP winners? Thats not easy to do. And if we had great talent where would they play? Would BJ had been signed if we had a great CFer? Doubtful. But we didn't and he was signed. Would CJ have been included in the deal if we had a great 3B? Doubtfull but he was.

Outside of CF and 3B we have guys who were in long term contracts or guys hardly 25 years old (I know Justin and Gattis are older) in every position.

Just think if Uggla and BJ had stayed with their career norms. Where would this offense be? Uggla hitting .250 with 30 HRs and 80 BBs. BJ hitting .250 20 HRs 30+ SBs and 80 BBs. Are they MVPs? No but thats production.

They are not and it has hurt. It hurt alot. Our system has not produced top flight talent I grant you but its not like we have really needed it to IMO. 

I have my doubts they move Heyward to CF. I don't think his body would respond well to it to be honest. I would think the braves move one of Justin or Heyward this offseason and sign the other to an ext. If BJ can be moved he will be. For CF I would believe Dexter Fowler is going to be on Wrens list to replace BJ.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 10:43 PM

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Heyward is playing outstanding defense and Freddi made a good decision putting him in the lead off spot.  Hope they extend his contract.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 3:38 PM

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By the way ... my entire post was in regards to expectations.  Heyward was expected to be a top outfielder in the league ... a regular all star.  You can quote WAR stats or any other stats and there is no doubt about his considerable talent.  I'm not saying he isn't a good player ... but I don't see how you can look at his production, offensively, and not be disappointed.  He's on pace for 13 HRs and 65 RBIs.  That just does not meet expectations in my eyes. 

That said, it is a no brainer to try to get rid of BJ and keep Heyward instead.
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