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Something has to change

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Posted: 7/25/2014 8:41 AM

Something has to change 


This current roster has developed into a group that is what it is. Very inconsistent with no change in sight. The personality of this team is set. There is absolutely no reason to believe the team will ever play to its potential. There just seems to be something missing.

The pitching and the offense just can't seem to get on the same page.

This group doesn't click offensively. There is no spark. There is no energy. Individually they are very talented. As a team not so much. I'm counting the days until this team morphs into a team that strikes fear into other teams. I'm anxious to see a team that puts pressure on opposing teams. Forces them into mistakes by outplaying them.

I'm anxious to see Kyle Wren, Jose Peraza, Kubitza, Bethancourt join Simmons, Freeman, Heyward to form a defensive team built on defense, speed, power and athleticism. I've grown weary of the swing and miss, can't put the ball in play offense this team has grown into.

Never thought about trading Gattis, but the more I hear the idea the more sense it makes. He is an American League player. Would a team bite on a Blockbuster Gattis, BJ, Minor, LaStella type trade package. In order to move BJ.....Wren is going to have to surround BJ with lots of bait.

Now that the steroid era is over I'm warming up to small ball. Home runs are ok, but doubles and triples are an exciting part of baseball. Getting on base, stealing a base, bunting runners over, pressuring the defense is the future.

I'll enjoy this team as much as I can until a better mousetrap is built in ATL

Chances of any change this season is slim and none and slim has left town. Hopefully this happens in the offseason. I have grown very fond of LaStella and his play and would not consider trading him if it were not for Peraza.
Pitching and Defense wins Championships

Last edited 7/25/2014 8:58 AM by WilliamJames

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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:41 AM

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Wish Messenger was still around on this forum.  My disclaimer of the day is that I am no GM and certainly have no access to the clubhouse.  So the internal workings of the organization are a mystery and will remain so where I am concerned.

I will look at todays roster and try and plan for 2017 or sooner if possible.
Gattis:  ML catchers with his skill set are rare.  I would continue with him as my primary catcher and sometime LFer, especially against LH pitching.  Bethancourt as backup for the foreseeable future.  Bear with me on the LF bit.
Freeman:  Nuff said.
LaStella:  What more can you ask and from a rookie no less.  He seems to get small ball.  Im not sure about him in the 2 hole but know of no reason not to keep him there for the present.
Johnson:  All things said, he really doesnt hurt you.  Defensively or otherwise.  Just find a spot in the lineup and keep him there.
Andrelton:  Here is where I begin to wonder.  Will he ever drop the grip and rip approach.  It doesnt look like Peraza is ready to be a ML SS so he is part of the delima CONSIDER:  What kind of package would Simmons bring in trade.........
Justin Upton:  Does anyone really believe that he will be an affordable FA?  Check that:  Maybe Wren will do another gaff.  I would look to move him for a couple really prime pitching prospects.  Maybe BoSox?  When, you say?  Right now.
BJ Upton:  There are no words and no suggestions.
Heyward:  Sa me deal as Justin regarding FA but I would hold him thru next year and take my chances.  Personally, I think he is waiting for the bright lights.

Santana and Harang will not be back next year.  Teheran, Wood and Minor are worth keeping.  minor hopefully will find himself.  My only question with him is money.  He may be too expensive for a #5 but otherwise, what do you expect from a #5

We all know what the pen situation is.  Briefly, I would listen on Kimbrel but would have to be blown completely away before pulling the trigger

Who would I like to see added?  Not David Price but I certainly would pulse Lester.  Is Rick Porcello a FA this year.
If so Detroit may not be able to afford both he and Scherzer.

What would it take to get Kemp and lots of money from LA?  Im not gaga over Kemp (really think we need a LH hitting guy to balance the lineup) but he is just so enigmatic. 

The bench:  Something certainly has to be done there.  Not a single one of them would I consider bringing back.

I hope this diatribe will stimulate some conversation.  Relieve the frustration if nothing else.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:07 AM

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Braves are 6-9 with 3.86 ERA in past 15 games, including 0-5 in one-run games.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:48 AM

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No to Kemp. We have enough overpaid high ego guys on this team already! Do not trade Evan Gattis. He is one of the few selfless players and one IMO that you want to build the team around. Hope BJ somehow rediscovers how to hit enough to have some kind of trade value and get him gone ASAP.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:48 AM

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Im not a stats guy so you tell me please.  Where does that 3.86 era get attributed to ?   And the 05 in one run games????

Your tag line being what it is, do you suggest that we need more pitching and more defense? 

What I see is a floundering offense pretty much a repeat of last year and the playoffs magnified that lack.

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Posted: 7/25/2014 10:55 AM

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I'm just passing along information to emphasize how awful this team can be at times. Not long ago they were 16-9 during a recent 25 game stretch. Baseball schizophrenia at its best are the Braves.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:56 PM

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I agree with what you are saying. To me we need to get some hitters more than we need pitching. The problem is trying to find a place to put them. I think we are set around the infield except for Lastella. He is a decent player whom isn't going to hurt you much like Johnson is at 3rd base. I could see trading him to get some other pieces only because you Peraza behind him. Peraza has the greater upside and can't be ignored. The other option is to see if Peraza can play the OF and maybe you move him there. The outfield is where things need to be blown up. I'm not a big fan of either of the Upton brothers. I can't see paying Justin big money because he is going to start declining before to long. He is a one trick pony that as he gets older will drop off big time. BJ should have never been signed so we are stuck with him unless we pair him in a trade with someone like Gattis. Heyward is a great defensive OF but he wants top money. I can't see us paying him that unless he has a monster year next year. I see the whole OF being revamped within the next two years. We need to invest in some good pitching and have great role players to go along with it. As for Gattis, I would trade him if we could get something back. He is our only big trading piece at this point.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 1:14 PM

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Trading Gattis would fix some problems but what/who do you trade him for?

Bethancourt as your primary catcher (if he has shown us what he has) for a NL team just wont work.  An AL tema OTOH with the DH could possibly hide him in the lineup.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:18 PM

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Gattis is a proven hitter at a premium position. I think you could trade him for a centerfield and a reliever. That would give us the set up man we want and a good centerfielder. Put BJ on the bench which would help out big time. The other option would be to trade Gattis to help get another premium starter.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:45 PM

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Its a very long way from sitting Uggla and his 26M to sitting BJ and his 45M.  Together they preclude getting that premium pitcher you want.

Relievers are pretty much fodder other than the closer.

Then after moving Gattis for whatever, you still have the problem of having very little at catcher.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 8:13 PM

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The braves did not sign Simmons to the long term deal just to trade him away. Of the current roster player who could be traded come this offseason I would say LaStella and Gattis are the most likely options. Our offense sucks because we have never had a true leadoff guy. Yes Heyward can do it a be decent. Perraza will be the braves starting 2B come 2015 IMO. He has to be. Where else can Wren upgrade the lineup? I think Gattis could be traded for pitching because the sad part is we only have 3 of our current starters signed for next year. The way Santana is pitching I doubt we give him a qualifying offer which is upsetting.

I really wish Wren would sell/add.

Trade Santana for some decent prosepcts. With all the teams needing starting pitching I would think Santana could be dealt without much issue.
Get a quality lefty reliever that he can sign/be under control for next year atleast. Wren should have never put all his eggs in one basket for a LOOGY. Wesley Wright could have been had. Oliver Perez was signed cheap.
Move Hale into the rotation. Lets see what we have. I don't see us winning anything with Santana in the rotation so what the point of keeping him? 
If anyone want Pena or Douimit or Laird for the matter move them. The Bench has to be rebuit in the offseason anyway. I didn't put schafer down because no one would want him

And as I type Ken Roshenthal just tweeted braves have their top evaluators to see Price vs Lester.


I know none of that will happen. The braves will do what the braves do. Add a very small piece or 2 and lose in the first round if they even make the playoffs.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:11 PM

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Perazza gives us a skill set we haven't seen in Atlanta in a long time. Big time speed and hitter for average. Could really change this offense.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 10:42 AM

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Skid, Those extensions serve 2 purposes.  (1)  They give stability to the player and to the organization.  (2)  They set worth thru the arbitration years which is of interest to trading partners.

Reyes, Peraza, albies, how many other SS prospects do we have at the moment.  IMO Simmons will continue to flounder with the bat to a degree and with our teamwide struggles with the bat he may be a luxury that is ill afforded.
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