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What can we get for Malholm?

Posted: 6/9/2013 10:33 PM

What can we get for Malholm? 


Beachy is coming back in just a few days and the Braves are going to have to make some tough decisions. To me either Hudson or Malholm go and we can get more for Maholm. I've seen some advocating sending Medlen to the pen but I don't see that happening. I'm curious as to what everyone thinks we can get for Malholm and what holes are we trying to fill? Wood and Avilan are solid LH in the pen and Walden is a solid RH setup man. We have backup outfielders and infielders. What do we really need?
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Posted: 6/9/2013 10:52 PM

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Let's let Beachy earn his way back first.
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Posted: 6/9/2013 10:58 PM

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DawgProfessor wrote: Beachy is coming back in just a few days and the Braves are going to have to make some tough decisions. To me either Hudson or Malholm go and we can get more for Maholm. I've seen some advocating sending Medlen to the pen but I don't see that happening. I'm curious as to what everyone thinks we can get for Malholm and what holes are we trying to fill? Wood and Avilan are solid LH in the pen and Walden is a solid RH setup man. We have backup outfielders and infielders. What do we really need?


I think we need two more established pen arms.  I'm not ready to crown Wood as "what we need" yet.  I also believe another bench piece (left-handed - preferably IF) is needed since the Francisco experiment did not pan out.

I do not want to give up on Maholm, but you have to trade decent players to get a decent return.  I'm hoping the Braves go with a 6-man rotation for a month to rest the arms of the younger guys and the older guy in Hudson (til mid-late July) before making a decision.
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Posted: 6/9/2013 11:28 PM

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Trading Maholm makes sense because we have 6 pitchers an 5 spots and we're losing him after this year anyway, but that being said he could play a very important role in any playoff run this year, so I'm not sure I don't want him to stick around and contribute for us. Sometimes, it's okay to make decisions based on the here and now...

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Posted: 6/10/2013 12:24 AM

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DawgProfessor wrote: Beachy is coming back in just a few days and the Braves are going to have to make some tough decisions. To me either Hudson or Malholm go and we can get more for Maholm. I've seen some advocating sending Medlen to the pen but I don't see that happening. I'm curious as to what everyone thinks we can get for Malholm and what holes are we trying to fill? Wood and Avilan are solid LH in the pen and Walden is a solid RH setup man. We have backup outfielders and infielders. What do we really need?
Huddy is a veteran that can block any trade. Plus he's been pitching great since fixing his mechanical issue (and has been great all season vs Nats). When you consider that and what a leader he is on the team, you don't even consider moving him. Further, I wouldn't trade Maholm either unless the return is too good for passing up.

That said, I would probably look at using Beachy out of the bullpen (after he starts in the DH) if everyone keeps pitching well. So start him out slow in the bullpen, then probably put him back in the rotation later this year. I'd certainly not keep in him in the bullpen. But there's nothing wrong with the Medlen approach (as some might call it) with Beachy coming off Tommy John.
Zito on Simmons (2/24/12):  if Simmons can be as good as Alexei that would shock me. If we could get Alexei and Lilli for Beachy and get cash I would do it. Being "arguably the best defensive SS in the minors" means nothing...

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Posted: 6/10/2013 1:02 AM

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Would be stupid to trade him.

He gives us a quality start usually every time, sometimes not so good but it happens to the best of em.

Not to mention someone will probably miss a start, and we'll need an extra starter at that point. So Beachy can slide in by then.

But, if a team were to give us a pretty good offer for him, sure you can probably consider it i reckon.

We do need another bullpen arm, preferably from the left side, but i'm not sure i'd trade Maholm to get it...

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Posted: 6/10/2013 8:31 AM

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Medlen has a 2.87ERA. The 2nd best of any starter and has pitched great his last 2 times. He is not going to the pen nor should he.

They have all pitched really well of late so it will be interesting to see what happens. Beachy to start in the pen makes too much sense to me.

I wouldn't rush to trade Malholm just yet.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 8:45 AM

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Maholm, Chris Johnson, Christian Bethancourt, Sean Gilmartin, and Joey Terdoslavich for Chase Headley

Thats what im aiming for if im Wren. Im not a GM so dont blast me on those guys Im trading, but just an example of what im shooting for if im Wren.

I just have a gut feeling that we arent going to stick with a Johnson/Pena platoon at 3B all season long.

Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.

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Posted: 6/10/2013 8:59 AM

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Let's see how Beachey does before we go trading Malholm.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 9:00 AM

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IMO Pena will turn into Cinderalla's little brother sooner or later.  Johnson is a bench guy.   Having said that, dont think we can get a guy like Headley until the McCann issue is settled.

I see absolutely no reason to trade Maholm.  He wouldnt bring all that much.  Gattis is settling into his role and if Mac is going to finish the season here, Reed Johnson is the odd man out.

Putting Beachy in the pen and sending either of Carpenter or Wood down would be a solid move.  If it were me, Beachey gets assigned to Gwinnett, comes up as 26th man for the double header, then I make my decision.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 9:10 AM

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I agree regarding Pena and Johnson. I wouldnt be opposed in going after Aramis Ramirez.

Simmons
Heyward
JUpton
Freeman
Ramirez
McCann
Uggla
Upton

Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.

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Posted: 6/10/2013 9:34 AM

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Sellers trade guys like McCann and Maholm. Buyers trade for guys like McCann and Maholm. We are buyers, not sellers.

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Posted: 6/10/2013 9:49 AM

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Sellers also don't have a surplus of 6 starters on a team with the best ERA in the NL most of the time either.  Thats not the right way to look at it.
tiger2vette2 wrote: Sellers trade guys like McCann and Maholm. Buyers trade for guys like McCann and Maholm. We are buyers, not sellers.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 9:50 AM

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Wood doesn't need to be sent down until either he shows he can't get guys out or we trade for a left handed set up man.  And I suspect if Wood shows he can get guys out, hes not going anywhere.  
PawPawMaxwell wrote: IMO Pena will turn into Cinderalla's little brother sooner or later.  Johnson is a bench guy.   Having said that, dont think we can get a guy like Headley until the McCann issue is settled.

I see absolutely no reason to trade Maholm.  He wouldnt bring all that much.  Gattis is settling into his role and if Mac is going to finish the season here, Reed Johnson is the odd man out.

Putting Beachy in the pen and sending either of Carpenter or Wood down would be a solid move.  If it were me, Beachey gets assigned to Gwinnett, comes up as 26th man for the double header, then I make my decision.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 10:10 AM

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I have a feeling that Wood is destined to be a starter in the future.  Wouldnt hurt to send him to AAA and see how he does stretched out.  Wouldnt be for all that long.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 10:14 AM

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Wood is destined to be a starter.  Theres also plenty of book on him going back to his UGA days and last season to know he can start and throw a lot of innings.  It would hurt the team in Atlanta if he was pitching in AAA.  It would also hurt the organization to have to go overpay for a lefty right now as Frank Wren has stated, there isn't much movement.  The only way to initiate movement is to overpay for someone.  Why would we want to overpay for a lefty when we have one?  Medlen pitched out of the pen then went to starting.  Why can't Alex Wood?
PawPawMaxwell wrote: I have a feeling that Wood is destined to be a starter in the future.  Wouldnt hurt to send him to AAA and see how he does stretched out.  Wouldnt be for all that long.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 10:21 AM

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I suggested him not long ago too. I do see us needing an upgrade at third at the trade deadline. I'd say second too if I thought Uggla could be moved. But since that is unlikely upgrading third along with the bullpen makes the most sense.
DUnit24 wrote: I agree regarding Pena and Johnson. I wouldnt be opposed in going after Aramis Ramirez.
Zito on Simmons (2/24/12):  if Simmons can be as good as Alexei that would shock me. If we could get Alexei and Lilli for Beachy and get cash I would do it. Being "arguably the best defensive SS in the minors" means nothing...
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Posted: 6/10/2013 10:30 AM

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I really don't think we should trade any of our starters. We can send beachy to the pen for the rest of the year and if someone gets hurt he can fill in to start. We have been lucky this year that our starters have been healthy but if we trade one and one or two get injured then we are in a bad situation.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 10:30 AM

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Beachy to the pen doesn't make much sense to me for three reasons.  (1)  Beachy could be a top 3 starter for us come playoff time.  However, you won't know unless he is starting.  (2) If Beachy is in the pen, he would have to go down and get stretched out if he was going to start.  Thus, he isn't the ideal candidate to be used as an emergency starter if someone gets hurt.  (3) Beachy is currently getting stretched out in his rehab.  Why do that if you are just going to put him into the pen?  Because you want him to start one game in the double header?  That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The reason you trade Maholm is because you don't want to lose an asset for nothing.  The only reason to keep him is if you think you need him to improve your chances at winning this year.  So the question to me is in the playoffs, who do you trust more than Maholm to start.  Minor and Medlen seem to be locks.  So if you are going with a three man rotation, do you trust Teheran, Beachy or Hudson more than Maholm?  If the Answer is yes, there is no reason to keep him and waste his value.

Finally, Maholm would probably go for prospects that could be used to get help.  A SP with an expiring contract only has value to someone in the playoff race.  A team like that likely won't be looking to give up a major league caliber player.
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Posted: 6/10/2013 11:09 AM

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DUnit24 wrote: Maholm, Chris Johnson, Christian Bethancourt, Sean Gilmartin, and Joey Terdoslavich for Chase Headley

Thats what im aiming for if im Wren. Im not a GM so dont blast me on those guys Im trading, but just an example of what im shooting for if im Wren.

I just have a gut feeling that we arent going to stick with a Johnson/Pena platoon at 3B all season long.
You're insane, this is an awful trade idea!
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