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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:02 AM

Gattis turning heads 


From an Olney insider article:

Gattis turning heads

Atlanta Braves outfield/catcher prospect Evan Gattis has opened the eyes of one rival NL evaluator -- although there are no jobs available in the Atlanta outfield, andBrian McCann is expected to be their starting catcher again, after he comes back fully from his shoulder surgery. McCann and the Braves have agreed to table any contract talk until after the year is over, and the full expectation within the industry is that McCann is probably going to move on from Atlanta after this season.

The NL evaluator: "Gattis has been really impressive. You get to the game early and watch him take BP and it's better than the Uptons or Heyward -- he has that much power. He's looked good in spring training, but it's really early and he played winter ball so he has something of a head start. All of that being said, he's definitely a prospect and he's going to impact the Braves in 2013. He cannot play third base and, having seen him in the minors, he isn't very good at first. He's not a bad outfielder and he's actually not a bad catcher, either. He continues to improve behind the plate and I could see him getting an opportunity there with Atlanta."

At age 26, Gattis is not your typical prospect. He was set to go to Texas A&M out of high school, but issues with anxiety and drugs forced him to quit the game for a few years. The Braves drafted him in the 23rd round in 2006 out of University of Texas-Permian Basin, and his journey to the cusp of the big leagues has been anything but typical.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:04 AM

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Got to love those comments. I think Gattis will get two months in AAA playing catcher everyday and then he will be the Braves catcher in 2014 IMO.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:10 AM

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Before the bubble poppers infest this thread, Im glad to see Gattis getting some attention. I dont know whats going to happen with McCann or our catching situation, but its not to have someone like Evan Gattis in your organization. At this point, we could stick him back there for good to become the heir apparent, and then have Bethancourt and his great defense backing him up..or we can make Gattis a C/1B/LF, and give him spot starts here and there getting him as many ABs as possible.

Regardless, its about time this guy turned some heads.

Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.

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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:39 AM

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for all the concern about his defense, if he proves he can hit in the bigs and shows to be average behind the dish, give him the job next yr.

its not like we're used to watching one of the best defensive catchers in the game with mac...dude can hit but isnt special at all with the gear on
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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:51 AM

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shackled wrote:
its not like we're used to watching one of the best defensive catchers in the game with mac...dude can hit but isnt special at all with the gear on
This is true, but he makes up for it by handling the staff very well.  They all like throwing to him.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 11:56 AM

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In regards to Gattis.

Stick him at C down in the minors, and see what happens. Depending how he hits, i don't see how it's crazy to stick him at C next year once Mac leaves.

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Posted: 2/28/2013 12:06 PM

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yea, they all speak highly of the way mac handles em
and for the record, i love mac and dont want him to leave....i get the aging catcher / coin thing, but i love the way he plays
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shackled wrote:
its not like we're used to watching one of the best defensive catchers in the game with mac...dude can hit but isnt special at all with the gear on
This is true, but he makes up for it by handling the staff very well.  They all like throwing to him.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 12:10 PM

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I just don't see how you can decide to keep Mac here long term with all these other players that are going to get raises. Eventually, you would HOPE that Heyward is going to get a contract. Not sure why they aren't locking him up right now.

Mac just doesn't make sense IMO with Wrens mantra.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 12:57 PM

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let me throw this out there.lets say Gattis starts of in Atlanta as a C/1B/OF along with Laird(while McCann gets healthy). McCann comes back(mid april), you almost have to send Gattis down to get the proper reps he will need a get some additional seasoning at C.

If Gattis performs well and continues to hit in Atlanta and Gwinett....do you trade McCann in June/July and bring in some talent or even fill a need before we lose him this offseason to FA?


You already have a veteran C in Laird signed to mentor Gattis with the handling of the staff. I myself would have to seriously consider moving McCann if a few things are in place:

1. Gattis is raking

2. Gattis handles his early season time in Atlanta well

3. Gattis proves he can handle the C spot as his position(McCann is not a defensive C, his value is as an offensive C)

4. McCann could bring a lot back in return, what are our needs to make that run for the WS. IF we are close, but need a piece or two to put us over the top....McCann could bring back those pieces this summer
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Posted: 2/28/2013 1:03 PM

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I ride Mac out for the year. If he has a good year you offer him arby and get a pick. If he isn't good then you just let him walk.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 1:04 PM

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I think people put too much emphasis on a catcher's ability to block balls and throw out runners. There's no doubt these are important things, but the most important thing a catcher does on defense is handle pitchers and call pitches/locations. Replacing McCann midseason with Evan Gattis could have a detrimental effect on our pitching staff. You just don't want to do that.

 

I like Gattis' bat a lot, and I hope he is able to catch at the major league level, but I don't feel confident at all in putting our fate in his hands this year.

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Posted: 2/28/2013 2:01 PM

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THIS......gotta do the homework in the filmroom, know every hitter and their tendencies, and call great games.

Far more important than raking. Far more important than a good arm.

The good ones.. Like Mac, have the game part plus raking. The great ones.... (Not many in a long time) do all three.

Maybe gratis can be the Peyton Manning of the film room.... Prolly not.

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I think people put too much emphasis on a catcher's ability to block balls and throw out runners. There's no doubt these are important things, but the most important thing a catcher does on defense is handle pitchers and call pitches/locations. Replacing McCann midseason with Evan Gattis could have a detrimental effect on our pitching staff. You just don't want to do that.

 

I like Gattis' bat a lot, and I hope he is able to catch at the major league level, but I don't feel confident at all in putting our fate in his hands this year.



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Posted: 2/28/2013 2:35 PM

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Let's be honest here, the calling the game thing isn't why the pitchers like Mac. It's because he can hit and get them run support. It's why Smoltz made him his catcher. He hit and he didn't call the pitches. Smoltz threw what he wanted to throw. How many interviews have we heard where Mac say he just goes along with what the pitcher wants. The "calling a good game" thing came about as a reason to justify Mac not being good defensively.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 2:51 PM

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Yeah, and if Pudge Rodriguez caught Tommy Hanson, he'd have a 3% thrown out rate.

I do want my guy to block balls, however. I think that's underrated and, like rebounding in basketball, a function of technique, conditioning and want-to. By August, Mac is stabbing balls that he ought to be blocking and it hurts us more than we realize.

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I think people put too much emphasis on a catcher's ability to block balls and throw out runners. There's no doubt these are important things, but the most important thing a catcher does on defense is handle pitchers and call pitches/locations. Replacing McCann midseason with Evan Gattis could have a detrimental effect on our pitching staff. You just don't want to do that.

 

I like Gattis' bat a lot, and I hope he is able to catch at the major league level, but I don't feel confident at all in putting our fate in his hands this year.



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Posted: 2/28/2013 3:25 PM

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BremenFan88 wrote: Let's be honest here, the calling the game thing isn't why the pitchers like Mac. It's because he can hit and get them run support. It's why Smoltz made him his catcher. He hit and he didn't call the pitches. Smoltz threw what he wanted to throw. How many interviews have we heard where Mac say he just goes along with what the pitcher wants. The "calling a good game" thing came about as a reason to justify Mac not being good defensively.
I don't know how its possible to be more far off.  Its not just calling the game (though pitchers like throwing to guys that have a good repoir with), but also catchers have the ability to influence the umpires calls based on the way they catch the ball.  Mac has been proven to be one of the best catchers in baseball at getting borderline strikes called.  Its part of the reason the Braves employ defensive catchers for the most part and why Gattis will likely never be the starter or put any kind of serious time behind the dish.

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Posted: 2/28/2013 3:32 PM

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How many catchers are a liability as far as calling a good game goes? I know Piazza was a poor defensive catcher because he couldn't throw but I didn't hear too many pitchers say they hated throwing to him. I just think once a catcher gets familiar with his pitchers it's a non issue. It might not be his strength and I'm sure some are better than others but I doubt it's an issue for most pitching staffs. Pitchers have a good idea what they want to do and call their own game, as long as a catcher has a general idea what his pitcher wants to do that's all that matters.

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Posted: 2/28/2013 3:39 PM

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If all it takes to be an effective catcher is to frame a borderline pitch and be a solid receiver(pretty much Mac to a T), then saying Gattis will spend no serious time at catcher is incorrect on your part.


A stud catcher has to receive/block, understand and execute a pitching game plan(handle staff), throw our runners effectively and produce offensively.


McCann has consistently produced outstanding offensive numbers and has handled the staff very well. He also brings intangibles! However...he struggles in the blocking department(half of being a solid receiver), does not throw our runners well at all. AND, he is close to the magic 30yr old mark for a catcher.


Gattis has hit and produced offensively so far at every level. He appears competent defensively and it has been said he is more than serviceable by some. For the price tag it will cost with McCann, I would think Gattis could easily see a role in '14 similar to Ryan Doumit with the Pirates when he was in the NL as a C/OF/1B(perhaps even '13). Keep Laird and/or possibly CB depending on his success this season in AA/AA with the bat

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Posted: 2/28/2013 3:49 PM

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But Gattis hasn't proven to even be serviceable at catcher. He's made 17 errors in only 114 games behind the plate. Along with that, he's had 27 passed balls and 100 stolen bases.

You just can't simply make it to the big leagues as a catcher with such limited time behind the plate. He needs years of development, but doesn't have the time to put years in. Best case for him is to play LF and not embarass himself.

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Posted: 2/28/2013 3:54 PM

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How many games have you seen Gattis behind the plate?
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Posted: 2/28/2013 4:24 PM

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Yeah, and Chipper made 50 errors one year at Macon.

Eddie Perez says he can catch. That's good enough for me.

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But Gattis hasn't proven to even be serviceable at catcher. He's made 17 errors in only 114 games behind the plate. Along with that, he's had 27 passed balls and 100 stolen bases.

You just can't simply make it to the big leagues as a catcher with such limited time behind the plate. He needs years of development, but doesn't have the time to put years in. Best case for him is to play LF and not embarass himself.

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