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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:11 PM
Thethe shoud read: Evan Gattis
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:16 PM
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Not sure what to say. I understand the age arguments. I don't think anyone is expecting Gattis to be a star. I think we are expecting him to be a solid major leaguer at minimum salary. Thats why we have been pushing for him. I believe he will hit major league pitching. I'm not sure how well but I believe he will hit.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:26 PM
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I just find it funny that you've made practically every argument this says you shouldn't make.
Not that this is gospel, but the folks at CAC know what they are talking about
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:43 PM
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You probably made thethe die a little inside with that.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:19 PM
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sturg33 wrote: I just find it funny that you've made practically every argument this says you shouldn't make.
Not that this is gospel, but the folks at CAC know what they are talking about There are always outliers to any statistical analysis. Gattis can easily be an outlier. _______________________________________________________________________________
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:10 PM
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No mention of Evan Gattis low strikeout rate. The author simply don't 'get it'. Skipped.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:12 PM
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laditori wrote: No mention of Evan Gattis low strikeout rate. The author simply don't 'get it'. Skipped. Of course he doesn't. Gattis has not just done well in the minors. He has absolutely destroyed it. If he hda not gotten hurt he would have been in Atlanta in September of last year. its fine. In a year people will either laugh at me and tell me how stupid I was or everyone will forget how much I pumped him up. _______________________________________________________________________________
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:23 PM
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thethe wrote:
laditori wrote: No mention of Evan Gattis low strikeout rate. The author simply don't 'get it'. Skipped.
Of course he doesn't. Gattis has not just done well in the minors. He has absolutely destroyed it. If he hda not gotten hurt he would have been in Atlanta in September of last year.
its fine. In a year people will either laugh at me and tell me how stupid I was or everyone will forget how much I pumped him up. Gattis is an intriguing risk. he has produced in the minors and in a way that likely dictates future success. But he's also old. I mean maybe he's Josh Hamilton (but obvisouly nowhere near as talented) and comes up and has a nice MLB career, maybe he doesn't who knows.
But just pointing out that Gattis unlike other old players who hit in the minors doesn't K is futile as most guys who have high power and high average numbers in the minors make their way to the majors way before Gattis's age and several of them have bombed.
As I said earlier I can see Gattis likely going one of 2 ways as far as optimism goes. He could be Josh Willingham or jason Kubel if he hits well. Willingham hits enough to makeup for his terrible defense, Kubel doesn't. On the negative he may never be better than a bench player of AAA all-star.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:25 PM
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I think that Gattis grades out as a better athlete than those guys.
There are few guys who his contact to power numbers taht have failed in the majors. That doesn't mean he won't fail but I think like you said its an intriguing risk.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:37 PM
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If Gattis is NOTHING more than a version of David Ross, he'd be a major success.
Can Gerald Laird be that much better? What happens if Gattis kicks arse in spring training? That could get interesting.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:52 PM
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m0ssy wrote: If Gattis is NOTHING more than a version of David Ross, he'd be a major success.
Can Gerald Laird be that much better? What happens if Gattis kicks arse in spring training? That could get interesting. I sure hope so because outside of Mac we only have weak hitting catchers. I don't expect Laird to hit much. So with Mac out the first two weeks our line-up will look weaker than last year. We also face Philly to start and play at Washington in those first two weeks too. Hopefully we'll get enough great pitching and timely hitting that it won't matter. That said, I really like Gattis and expect him to have a strong spring offensively. I also expect him to be a good hitter in the Majors one day.
Zito on Simmons (2/24/12): if Simmons can be as good as Alexei that would shock me. If we could get Alexei and Lilli for Beachy and get cash I would do it. Being "arguably the best defensive SS in the minors" means nothing...
Last edited 2/15/2013 5:57 PM by RomansVIII28
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:03 PM
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ZitotheBrave wrote: But just pointing out that Gattis unlike other old players who hit in the minors doesn't K is futile as most guys who have high power and high average numbers in the minors make their way to the majors way before Gattis's age and several of them have bombed.  |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:05 PM
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one thing for sure, this is a big spring for Gattis. At his age he doesn't have much time to regress and then rebound like some guys do. On a team where practically every roster spot is set Gattis is on a the few guys who can work his way onto the roster with a strong spring. For most of our guys, even the minor league invitees, spring is just "get in shape" time.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:11 PM
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ST will be interesting for Gattis. There is a spot to be a starting catcher for at least two weeks. You wonder what Wren will be thinking if Gattis tears it up in ST and then does well for the first two weeks. Does he trade him for an arm?
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:27 PM
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thethe wrote: ST will be interesting for Gattis. There is a spot to be a starting catcher for at least two weeks. You wonder what Wren will be thinking if Gattis tears it up in ST and then does well for the first two weeks. Does he trade him for an arm? If Gattis impresses that strongly hitting and catching, then instead of trading him why not consider him as part of our future at catcher? It's not easy finding catchers that hit well and Mac won't come cheap and he's getting older too. Further, I would still try to re-sign Mac for another year or few more years regardless. But that would be partly to give us trade options down the line (I could see trading Mac in a year or two after extending him). Mac could bring quite a bit in a trade with AL teams, IMO. I sure don't want to lose Mac for nothing after this year.
Zito on Simmons (2/24/12): if Simmons can be as good as Alexei that would shock me. If we could get Alexei and Lilli for Beachy and get cash I would do it. Being "arguably the best defensive SS in the minors" means nothing...
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:35 PM
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Believe me Roman I want Gattis here long term.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:37 PM
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thethe wrote: ST will be interesting for Gattis. There is a spot to be a starting catcher for at least two weeks. You wonder what Wren will be thinking if Gattis tears it up in ST and then does well for the first two weeks. Does he trade him for an arm? No, gotta think for the future since this is probably Mac's last year with the Braves. If he does well, he could battle Bet in 2014 for the C spot.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:52 PM
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I haven't seen any evaluator say Gattis can catch in anything other than an emergency option.
IF we see that Gattis can be Piazza or better behind the plate....watch out.
IF he was just decent he'd be a great guy to have on the bench. Long term could be a great partner to have with McCann. Catch 1-2 games out of 5, pinch hit some, maybe fill in at 1B or LF for a game or two. End up playing 4/10 games and pinch hit in a couple more.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:03 PM
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thethe wrote: Believe me Roman I want Gattis here long term. I believe you, I know you're very high on Gattis. My question was meant in a general sense and not just for you specifically.
Zito on Simmons (2/24/12): if Simmons can be as good as Alexei that would shock me. If we could get Alexei and Lilli for Beachy and get cash I would do it. Being "arguably the best defensive SS in the minors" means nothing...
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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:09 PM
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Russ2dollas wrote: I haven't seen any evaluator say Gattis can catch in anything other than an emergency option. I have heard his abilities behind the plate described as "serviceable" more often than not. While all seem to agree that he needs work and improvement at catcher. Also, I was told Gattis looked better catching for Mississippi in the playoffs last year. BTW, Gattis didn't look bad in the games I saw him catch via MILB.tv online. However, I do recall him making a bad throw to second rushing in one game. But that was understandable since he was trying to throw out Billy Hamilton. Lastly, when I think of "emergency option" I think of someone like former Brave Matt Diaz (or Brooks Conrad). I expect Gattis can be better than that at catcher. Whatever the case, I would like to see him more behind the plate before saying more.
Zito on Simmons (2/24/12): if Simmons can be as good as Alexei that would shock me. If we could get Alexei and Lilli for Beachy and get cash I would do it. Being "arguably the best defensive SS in the minors" means nothing...
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