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was coming to post the exact same thing

wow

Seattle is a mess.  This probably guarantees seven more years of only having one really valuable player.

Seattle has a good farm system and lots of money to spend. They will be good.

thethe wrote: Seattle has a good farm system and lots of money to spend. They will be good.

  Sure.

thethe wrote: Seattle has a good farm system and lots of money to spend. They will be good.

Maybe in a few years.

Right now they're gonna finish 4th in their division.

Maybe if they add Bourn they have a shot I can imagine he adds a ton of value in that park.

They moved thier fences in so thier offense should improve. They wont be able to compete with texas or even the angels until the backend of his contract imo. The haul they could have gotten for king felix would have helped.them a lpt and saved them money.

elmonthc wrote: They moved thier fences in so thier offense should improve. They wont be able to compete with texas or even the angels until the backend of his contract imo. The haul they could have gotten for king felix would have helped.them a lpt and saved them money.

Oakland, Texas, and the Angels are going to have fun beating up on the Astros and Seattle.

elmonthc wrote: They moved thier fences in so thier offense should improve. They wont be able to compete with texas or even the angels until the backend of his contract imo. The haul they could have gotten for king felix would have helped.them a lpt and saved them money.

They should have sold King Felix. Can you imagine the prospect haul they would have gotten? Think like 3 top 50 prospects.

ZitotheBrave wrote:

elmonthc wrote: They moved thier fences in so thier offense should improve. They wont be able to compete with texas or even the angels until the backend of his contract imo. The haul they could have gotten for king felix would have helped.them a lpt and saved them money.

They should have sold King Felix. Can you imagine the prospect haul they would have gotten? Think like 3 top 50 prospects.

Yep.  They screwed up.

Yeah I would have traded him for a big haul. It's one thing to wrap up your offensive players to long term deals, but a starter, even one as good as Hernandez, is just a ticking timebomb...

I'm sure he'll be great. But you don't spend that much on a player unless you're a playoff contender.

Personally I think he'll extract enough value to justify the contract.

As for the opportunity cost of not being able to trade him. I'm not entirely convinced he'd bring a big enough package back to justify trading him. He'd have a pretty limited market to teams with just 2 years of control plus extension rates that would have certainly gone over 200 million.

chop2chip wrote: Personally I think he'll extract enough value to justify the contract.

As for the opportunity cost of not being able to trade him. I'm not entirely convinced he'd bring a big enough package back to justify trading him. He'd have a pretty limited market to teams with just 2 years of control plus extension rates that would have certainly gone over 200 million.

Come on.    He would've netted a fortune in young baseball meat.

chop2chip wrote: Personally I think he'll extract enough value to justify the contract.

As for the opportunity cost of not being able to trade him. I'm not entirely convinced he'd bring a big enough package back to justify trading him. He'd have a pretty limited market to teams with just 2 years of control plus extension rates that would have certainly gone over 200 million.

Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and probably a few other teams would have traded the farm for him. When you have a shot to get the second best pitcher in the game, and he's gonna be 27 come opening day, why wouldn't you give up the farm for him? We're not talking about a good starter, last 4 years he's averaged 238 innings with a 138 ERA+. Jsut to compare Justin Verlander over the same time frame was at 238 as well and 144. Cliff Lee? 222 and 137. Roy Halladay? 220 142. Sabathia? 226 135

He is a genuine star, is young and under control for 2 seasons. Find a team pick their 3 best prospects and I bet they'd give them up for him.

Or Seattle can trust their scouts...develop their players and then sign another big free agent in the next two years while Felix is still in his prime. Mariners have a lot on the farm waiting to bust out now. I have a huge prospect crush on Brad Miller. I'd love for the Braves to trade Kimbrel for Calls/Miller and another top prospect.

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chop2chip wrote: Personally I think he'll extract enough value to justify the contract.

As for the opportunity cost of not being able to trade him. I'm not entirely convinced he'd bring a big enough package back to justify trading him. He'd have a pretty limited market to teams with just 2 years of control plus extension rates that would have certainly gone over 200 million.

Come on.    He would've netted a fortune in young baseball meat.

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He's also worth 6-8 WAR annually and is only 26. Name a trade package that is as valuable as that. I'm not saying one doesn't exist but that would be a very difficult trade to make and seems perfectly justifiable by the Mariners to not bother pursuing that path and just being content with keeping a HOF caliber pitcher.

You are making an extremely good case for why Seattle should have resigned him.

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--- ZitotheBrave wrote:

chop2chip wrote: Personally I think he'll extract enough value to justify the contract.

As for the opportunity cost of not being able to trade him. I'm not entirely convinced he'd bring a big enough package back to justify trading him. He'd have a pretty limited market to teams with just 2 years of control plus extension rates that would have certainly gone over 200 million.

Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and probably a few other teams would have traded the farm for him. When you have a shot to get the second best pitcher in the game, and he's gonna be 27 come opening day, why wouldn't you give up the farm for him? We're not talking about a good starter, last 4 years he's averaged 238 innings with a 138 ERA+. Jsut to compare Justin Verlander over the same time frame was at 238 as well and 144. Cliff Lee? 222 and 137. Roy Halladay? 220 142. Sabathia? 226 135

He is a genuine star, is young and under control for 2 seasons. Find a team pick their 3 best prospects and I bet they'd give them up for him.

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I'm making a case that he's a star, do you think Seattle will be a playoff team in the next 5 years? I don't. I don't see how they'll be better than Oakland, Texas, or LAA. He'll be worth his contract for sure, but will he be worth 25M to the Marineers if they're still finishign 3rd.

Id wager a bet that seattle doesnt make tge playoffs for the lenght of this contract.