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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:24 AM

Justin Upton's Thumb 


Justin Upton’s Thumb

February 1, 2013 at 7:00 am by Andrew Sisson under Atlanta Braves

I’m sure the majority of you are aware that Justin Upton played through a thumb injury in 2012. A lot of baseball writers and analysts across the industry have pegged it as a reason for his disappointing season. After going through and researching a little about the timeline of Upton’s season, I came across an interesting little tidbit that supplements and may help explain some of Upton’s 2012 numbers.

Upton initially hurt his thumb sliding into second base during the third game of the season last year. About a week later, he was diagnosed with a bone bruise. The team doctors advised Upton to go on the DL shortly after to let the thumb heal, but he refused. Upton felt that if he was able to play and swing a bat he was going to play. He felt him playing at a fraction of his healthy self was better than his replacement at 100%. It’s hard to argue.

We saw a very similar situation with a very similar player two seasons ago, Jason Heyward. There were a lot of parallels between the two. Heyward hurt his thumb sliding into third base, back in May 2010. He attempted to play through the same type of bone bruise for six weeks, but eventually succumb to the 15-day DL after he could no longer forcefully grip the bat. It was clear his swing and ability to drive the baseball was hampered.

While all situations are different, it’s usually a double-edged sword for players who have these types of small nagging injuries. There will always be people who will criticize a player for not being tough enough to play through a “minor” injury, as well as those who will criticize players for playing through it and not taking the time to get healthy. Every situation is different, but it is generally hard to force a player sit who is capable of producing at decent level even when hurt, especially young players who don’t want to (unfairly) take on a label of being “soft”. Rest for an extended period of time would seem to be the best and quickest way to a full recovery, however an internal competitive edge usually engulfs that. It is a tough challenge that players, especially star players, face.

Anyways, to get back on track, let’s get back to Upton and look at his monthly breakdown in 2012.


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As you can see, Upton struggled from the get go. He continued to post below average numbers for the first four to five months of the season, with the exception of June. However, his June numbers were largely driven by a .415 BABIP. It also was his lowest raw power month ISO wise.

Then, towards the end of August, Upton was finally able to pick up the power numbers, which of course was an encouraging sign. Upton’s thumb felt comfortable enough where he was able to remove the padded brace on his thumb he had been playing with all season (I believe he didn’t wear it from August 25 on). After this, his numbers started to look like the 2011 Upton, especially in the power department. He hit 8 of his 17 home runs in those final 36 games, post-pad. While I think the endpoints can be justified, I will admit ~150 PA isn’t the greatest sample. There is comfort in knowing that his September numbers were backed by a .312 BABIP, suggesting his final month or so was not luck driven. I think it is worth at least pointing out that it was the only time all season he was able to play with the comfort of what appeared to be a healthy thumb. And wouldn’t you know it, his numbers appeared quite healthy too.

Like most, I think it’s fairly easy to tell I’m in the “as long as Upton’s thumb is healthy next season, his power numbers should bounce back” crowd. Hopefully the numbers give that statement some backing. The end of the season was encouraging and we can only hope there are no lingering effects heading into this season. It’s not that I want to blame all of last season on the thumb injury, but I think we can make a reasonable conclusion that it did play a large part to his power struggles (timing was also a little bit out of whack). For someone who has the bat speed and quick/strong wrists like Upton, any type of hand or wrist injury can quickly reduce those abilities. Look for the re-emergence of those skills, which should translate back in 2013 to a productive offensive season.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:24 AM

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This was from Capitol Avenue Club
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:46 AM

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Nice find Sturg. Interesting analysis (as most of CAC's are).

Frankly, I really don't understand why people are so heavily doubting whether the kid is going to be a superstar. Hell, he practically already was one before last year. He's been consistently good to great in his short time in the big leagues, and he's only 25.
2012. The year 94 wins and the 3rd best record in the league means sitting at home in October.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 11:31 AM

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Please no more thumb injuries
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Posted: 2/1/2013 11:55 AM

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All this tells me is that JUp loves baseball more than JHey.
Think we could trade Heyward for Delmon Young and Mike Young? Boom, LF and 3B solved with two studs.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:07 PM

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trippingchris wrote: Please no more thumb injuries
Please no more head first slides....
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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:14 PM

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CyYoung31 wrote: Nice find Sturg. Interesting analysis (as most of CAC's are).

Frankly, I really don't understand why people are so heavily doubting whether the kid is going to be a superstar. Hell, he practically already was one before last year. He's been consistently good to great in his short time in the big leagues, and he's only 25.
08: 106 RC+
09: 130 
10: 109 
11: 139
12: 108

All the potential in the world, but I don't see consistency.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:20 PM

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In 2011 he hit 24 HR listed as 400+. I know that Chase Field was a big factor here, but it's worth noting that he hit 4 400-foot shots in PETCO. I think that it's reasonable to assume that if the thumb is healthy, the power will be there.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:12 PM

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gilesfan wrote:
CyYoung31 wrote: Nice find Sturg. Interesting analysis (as most of CAC's are).

Frankly, I really don't understand why people are so heavily doubting whether the kid is going to be a superstar. Hell, he practically already was one before last year. He's been consistently good to great in his short time in the big leagues, and he's only 25.
08: 106 RC+
09: 130 
10: 109 
11: 139
12: 108

All the potential in the world, but I don't see consistency.
Maybe you should read where I said he was consistently good to great. What you just posted proves my point. Thanks.
2012. The year 94 wins and the 3rd best record in the league means sitting at home in October.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:13 PM

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After watching Heywards career thus far I realize that all young players will struggle from time to time. I am not worried about Upton at all after reading more about his thumb injury. Guy will be a legit MVP candidate next year.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:26 PM

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CyYoung31 wrote:
 
Maybe you should read where I said he was consistently good to great. What you just posted proves my point. Thanks.
Is that an oxymoron?

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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:26 PM

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gilesfan wrote:
CyYoung31 wrote: Nice find Sturg. Interesting analysis (as most of CAC's are).

Frankly, I really don't understand why people are so heavily doubting whether the kid is going to be a superstar. Hell, he practically already was one before last year. He's been consistently good to great in his short time in the big leagues, and he's only 25.
08: 106 RC+
09: 130 
10: 109 
11: 139
12: 108

All the potential in the world, but I don't see consistency.
Put his age next to those numbers for each year. Then put a note next to 2012 that says "thumb injury". Then take a look at that list again, and you should see a guy that has played very well at a very young age, and played hurt in 2012.

Barring injury, I will be very surprised if Justin isn't a legit MVP candidate next year. He is probably even more talented than Heyward offensively, and I could easily see both of them finishing in the top 5 of the MVP race over the next 3 years.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:31 PM

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gilesfan wrote:
CyYoung31 wrote:
 
Maybe you should read where I said he was consistently good to great. What you just posted proves my point. Thanks.
Is that an oxymoron?
No.

And the point was that he has yet to have a bad season. You know that, so stop trying to create an argument out of nothing.
2012. The year 94 wins and the 3rd best record in the league means sitting at home in October.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:38 PM

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Enscheff wrote:
gilesfan wrote:
CyYoung31 wrote: Nice find Sturg. Interesting analysis (as most of CAC's are).

Frankly, I really don't understand why people are so heavily doubting whether the kid is going to be a superstar. Hell, he practically already was one before last year. He's been consistently good to great in his short time in the big leagues, and he's only 25.
08: 106 RC+
09: 130 
10: 109 
11: 139
12: 108

All the potential in the world, but I don't see consistency.
Put his age next to those numbers for each year. Then put a note next to 2012 that says "thumb injury". Then take a look at that list again, and you should see a guy that has played very well at a very young age, and played hurt in 2012.

Barring injury, I will be very surprised if Justin isn't a legit MVP candidate next year. He is probably even more talented than Heyward offensively, and I could easily see both of them finishing in the top 5 of the MVP race over the next 3 years.
Im not trying to say Upton hasn't been a good hitter.  He certainly has the potential to be an MVP candidate.  

The case for the thumb injury is a good point.  Though, he pretty much had the exact same season in 2010.  (injured that season too?)

If we traded for the 6 win Justin Upton, we are going to be extremely happy.  And he is certainly capable of doing so.  If we traded for the 3-4 win Justin Upton, it simply isn't the same.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:48 PM

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gilesfan wrote: The case for the thumb injury is a good point.  Though, he pretty much had the exact same season in 2010.  (injured that season too?)

If we traded for the 6 win Justin Upton, we are going to be extremely happy.  And he is certainly capable of doing so.  If we traded for the 3-4 win Justin Upton, it simply isn't the same.
Yes, actually, he had an oblique injury.

And you are talking about a 22- and 24-year old guy in those years. Even if that were him, a 3-4 win guy at 22 and 24 will probably be worth more as a 25-27-year old.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:51 PM

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smootness wrote:
gilesfan wrote: The case for the thumb injury is a good point.  Though, he pretty much had the exact same season in 2010.  (injured that season too?)

If we traded for the 6 win Justin Upton, we are going to be extremely happy.  And he is certainly capable of doing so.  If we traded for the 3-4 win Justin Upton, it simply isn't the same.
Yes, actually, he had an oblique injury.

And you are talking about a 22- and 24-year old guy in those years. Even if that were him, a 3-4 win guy at 22 and 24 will probably be worth more as a 25-27-year old.
Certainly

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Posted: 2/1/2013 3:30 PM

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So playing through the thumb injury still didn't make him "gritty" enough? Oh well, one's loss is another's gain.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 4:54 PM

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I need a thumb job.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 4:55 PM

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gilesfan wrote:
Enscheff wrote:
gilesfan wrote:
CyYoung31 wrote: Nice find Sturg. Interesting analysis (as most of CAC's are).

Frankly, I really don't understand why people are so heavily doubting whether the kid is going to be a superstar. Hell, he practically already was one before last year. He's been consistently good to great in his short time in the big leagues, and he's only 25.
08: 106 RC+
09: 130 
10: 109 
11: 139
12: 108

All the potential in the world, but I don't see consistency.
Put his age next to those numbers for each year. Then put a note next to 2012 that says "thumb injury". Then take a look at that list again, and you should see a guy that has played very well at a very young age, and played hurt in 2012.

Barring injury, I will be very surprised if Justin isn't a legit MVP candidate next year. He is probably even more talented than Heyward offensively, and I could easily see both of them finishing in the top 5 of the MVP race over the next 3 years.
Im not trying to say Upton hasn't been a good hitter.  He certainly has the potential to be an MVP candidate.  

The case for the thumb injury is a good point.  Though, he pretty much had the exact same season in 2010.  (injured that season too?)

If we traded for the 6 win Justin Upton, we are going to be extremely happy.  And he is certainly capable of doing so.  If we traded for the 3-4 win Justin Upton, it simply isn't the same.
See that's not even the point though...

We get the 6 WAR Upton we are happy.

We get the 8 WAR guy he could turn into starting next year, and we are elated. Seeing him hit next to another 8 WAR guy in Heyward for the next 3 years, and we start to pee in our pants a little. 

This trade was made because he is potentially the best player in the league, not because he can post a WAR of 3 in a down year. MVP candidates are not available often, especially not at age 25.

Wren made this happen, and he is the exact kind of player this team needed with Chipper retiring.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:50 PM

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gilesfan wrote:
CyYoung31 wrote:
 
Maybe you should read where I said he was consistently good to great. What you just posted proves my point. Thanks.
Is that an oxymoron?

No: it's entirely straightforward.  Upton's never been bad, or even below-average, so "consistently good to great" means his performances have consistently fallen within a given range.  Seems pretty simple.
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