Includes some interesting comments on Braves pitchers and how they might be valued relative to Span.

Also confirms my view that we need to keep an eye on the Rays and Reds.  They also have starting pitching to offer and would like an outfielder.

Basically the list they compile are a bunch of Duds (Hanson, Bailey) and guys they have no prayer of getting (Minor, Hellickson) and some guys they don't really need.

I think the Rays will be bigger competition for Willingham due to his cost and being a corner OF.

I think if we want him we get Span and someone else for Delgado, or we offer lesser prospects for Span, or Hanson for Span (which I'm not a fan of)

I'd love to see us send Delgado over for Span and Joe Benson.  Benson's value took a dive in 2012, but he still has some good upside and the ability to play CF.

Royals just signed Guthrie for 25M over 3 years. Covering his ages 34-36 seasons.

Those kind of FA signings are what is driving up the value of younger cost-controlled pitchers in the trade market. Delgado, Teheran, Minor, Hanson all compare favorably to one extent or another to guys like Guthrie.

That kind of deal also shows that Maholm at 6.5M is a pretty good deal. So is Hudson at 9M.

JMO those kind of deals could drive up the price of Maholm. We could be sitting on someone we could spin for a nice prospect or 2. Teams like the Pirates or Tigers who need depth more than a top man could take him on and love him I'm sure.

Just don't understand the Royals' decision-making under Dayton Moore. They are also paying Santana 13M this year.

He's got a deep farm system. It seems to me he should leverage that to make deals with teams with extra pitching like the Rays and Braves to acquire younger cost-controlled pitchers with more upside.

LOL royals. That dayton moore is super duper.

elmonthc wrote: LOL royals. That dayton moore is super duper.

I wonder if he had stayed with the Braves if he would be our GM today.  I feel like we dodged a bullet there.

nsacpi wrote: Just don't understand the Royals' decision-making under Dayton Moore. They are also paying Santana 13M this year.

He's got a deep farm system. It seems to me he should leverage that to make deals with teams with extra pitching like the Rays and Braves to acquire younger cost-controlled pitchers with more upside.

In Kansas City we are happy with this signing. After he came to KC he was lights out.  Santana is a 1 year experiment. Hochevar likely to be non-tendered which will cover Guthrie's salary this year (5M in 2013)  I think Moore does not want to trade prospects so in a year or two the system will replenish itself. Just glad we didn't trade for Jurrgens last year as rumored.

wildcatguy1952 wrote:

nsacpi wrote: Just don't understand the Royals' decision-making under Dayton Moore. They are also paying Santana 13M this year.

He's got a deep farm system. It seems to me he should leverage that to make deals with teams with extra pitching like the Rays and Braves to acquire younger cost-controlled pitchers with more upside.

In Kansas City we are happy with this signing. After he came to KC he was lights out.  Santana is a 1 year experiment. Hochevar likely to be non-tendered which will cover Guthrie's salary this year (5M in 2013)  I think Moore does not want to trade prospects so in a year or two the system will replenish itself. Just glad we didn't trade for Jurrgens last year as rumored.

The thing about your farm system is that your 10-15 ranked prospects are pretty good prospects.  So why not keep your Top 10 and flip some of your other guys for a guy that isn't going to make the rotation of a team like the Rays or the Braves.  Just a thought.  I would think that would be a more efficient use of resources than paying 12M to Santana or making a three year commitment to Guthrie.  For 2013, Guthrie will probably earn his salary.  It is his age and the risk beyond that that makes me wonder about the signing.

I guess when your standards are so low any fat chick will do.

wildcatguy1952 wrote:

nsacpi wrote: Just don't understand the Royals' decision-making under Dayton Moore. They are also paying Santana 13M this year.

He's got a deep farm system. It seems to me he should leverage that to make deals with teams with extra pitching like the Rays and Braves to acquire younger cost-controlled pitchers with more upside.

In Kansas City we are happy with this signing. After he came to KC he was lights out.  Santana is a 1 year experiment. Hochevar likely to be non-tendered which will cover Guthrie's salary this year (5M in 2013)  I think Moore does not want to trade prospects so in a year or two the system will replenish itself. Just glad we didn't trade for Jurrgens last year as rumored.

I wonder what it would take for Span and Willingham.

Lock827 wrote: I wonder what it would take for Span and Willingham.

just a guess here

Hanson
Delgado
Spruill/Gilmartin
Ahmed


in other words a lot.

Imo Delgado is more valuable than Span or Willingham.

I don't disagree with that. I think wren is going to find it very hard to keep delgado in order to get an OF bat via trade

Twins can keep Willingham.  But I will gladly take Span and Joe Benson/Aaron Hicks for Delgado.

Delgado can probably get us Span and Benson. Hicks is an entirely different matter.

A deal with the Twins would be all about the prospect(s) we get back unless they're parting with Willingham, which I doubt they'll do.  Span would be a nice fit in Atlanta particularly with his cheap contract, but no part of his game is spectacular.  Above average speed and defense but not in the Bourn elite category by any stretch.  He'll get on base at a decent clip but with little to no power.  I think that's why he's a back burner option for Wren and any of the prospects the Twins would want have too much upside to deal straight up for Span.  The Twins do have several nice looking hitters in their system that could facilitate a deal though.

Royals farm system outside of the top two-three is not a good system. Attrition destroyed the pitching prospects.

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wildcatguy1952 wrote:

nsacpi wrote: Just don't understand the Royals' decision-making under Dayton Moore. They are also paying Santana 13M this year.

He's got a deep farm system. It seems to me he should leverage that to make deals with teams with extra pitching like the Rays and Braves to acquire younger cost-controlled pitchers with more upside.

In Kansas City we are happy with this signing. After he came to KC he was lights out.  Santana is a 1 year experiment. Hochevar likely to be non-tendered which will cover Guthrie's salary this year (5M in 2013)  I think Moore does not want to trade prospects so in a year or two the system will replenish itself. Just glad we didn't trade for Jurrgens last year as rumored.

The thing about your farm system is that your 10-15 ranked prospects are pretty good prospects.  So why not keep your Top 10 and flip some of your other guys for a guy that isn't going to make the rotation of a team like the Rays or the Braves.  Just a thought.  I would think that would be a more efficient use of resources than paying 12M to Santana or making a three year commitment to Guthrie.  For 2013, Guthrie will probably earn his salary.  It is his age and the risk beyond that that makes me wonder about the signing.

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