Continuous updates on Upton in this thread.

Honestly, I'd rather have Victorino for less money, less years, and not lose our first round pick.

Wow you will never be satisfied.

And with bourn the pick will be a trade off.

Wed still get an extra pick for bourn though right. Would love upton.

That's quite a tidbit from Mr. Bowman.

I've been hoping that BJ Upton would be high on Wren's list. Not a classic lead-off hitter. But younger than the other CF free agents, good power, and being a right-handed hitter are all plusses.

Would rather have Span or Victorono. And if the cost of Upton is basically the same as Bourn, then just resign Bourn.


Upton does have some good upside though, so at least he could potentially be a fantastic signing if he ever gets his act together.

Upton would not bat leadoff.

BUpton is certainly not the guy I would be going after, but he at least he is durable and has 20-25 HR pop from the right side of the plate.

We just have to hope his sub-.300 OBP was a fluke or he will be an expensive black hole in the middle of the lineup. I'm afraid if Fredi sticks him between Heyward and Freeman in the lineup we will see him hit 30 HRs at the expense of 200 Ks and a .290 OBP. It will be ugly to watch, and comical to see people defend him.

skidlee21 wrote: Wow you will never be satisfied.

And with bourn the pick will be a trade off.

Not really, even if we get the highest possible compensation pick, odds are we'll be picking lower than if we kept our 1, and we'd be losing a number 1 pick.

Lets just assign guestimated picks, call number 1 pick 25 and number 2 pick 32. that's 2 potential major league players. Of course they could be busts, but I wouldn't risk it for Upton. Assigning estimated contracts based on someone elses estimates

Bourn 5/75
Upton 5/70
Victorino 3/30

So with Upton we might as well sign Bourn for 1-2 million more per year and get the better player and keep our pick. Or we go cheap with Victorino who's likely to be as good or nearly as good as Upton

Last 3 year each of their total fWAR

Bourn 15.2
Victorino 13.0
Upton 11.5

Upton clearly has the highest upside, I know that, but Bourn is safer and will nearly be the same cost, Victorino will cost lower and odds are he woudl be better then Upton.

There's no wise investment with Upton JMO.

I agree unless years could factor in. seems like bourn wants seven years and upton may be jad for four. Fw and boras havent spoken yet so we dont know anything really.

Pefect offseason wed sign bourn for cf and uptin for lf.

If we would have just signed holliday we wouldnt be having this problem.

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--- ZitotheBrave wrote:

skidlee21 wrote: Wow you will never be satisfied.

And with bourn the pick will be a trade off.

Not really, even if we get the highest possible compensation pick, odds are we'll be picking lower than if we kept our 1, and we'd be losing a number 1 pick.

Lets just assign guestimated picks, call number 1 pick 25 and number 2 pick 32. that's 2 potential major league players. Of course they could be busts, but I wouldn't risk it for Upton. Assigning estimated contracts based on someone elses estimates

Bourn 5/75
Upton 5/70
Victorino 3/30

So with Upton we might as well sign Bourn for 1-2 million more per year and get the better player and keep our pick. Or we go cheap with Victorino who's likely to be as good or nearly as good as Upton

Last 3 year each of their total fWAR

Bourn 15.2
Victorino 13.0
Upton 11.5

Upton clearly has the highest upside, I know that, but Bourn is safer and will nearly be the same cost, Victorino will cost lower and odds are he woudl be better then Upton.

There's no wise investment with Upton JMO.

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I'd like him but it depends on the price.

And we'll get a pick regardless with Bourn so that point is moot.

elmonthc wrote: I agree unless years could factor in. seems like bourn wants seven years and upton may be jad for four. Fw and boras havent spoken yet so we dont know anything really.

Pefect offseason wed sign bourn for cf and uptin for lf.

If we would have just signed holliday we wouldnt be having this problem.

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--- ZitotheBrave wrote:

skidlee21 wrote: Wow you will never be satisfied.

And with bourn the pick will be a trade off.

Not really, even if we get the highest possible compensation pick, odds are we'll be picking lower than if we kept our 1, and we'd be losing a number 1 pick.

Lets just assign guestimated picks, call number 1 pick 25 and number 2 pick 32. that's 2 potential major league players. Of course they could be busts, but I wouldn't risk it for Upton. Assigning estimated contracts based on someone elses estimates

Bourn 5/75
Upton 5/70
Victorino 3/30

So with Upton we might as well sign Bourn for 1-2 million more per year and get the better player and keep our pick. Or we go cheap with Victorino who's likely to be as good or nearly as good as Upton

Last 3 year each of their total fWAR

Bourn 15.2
Victorino 13.0
Upton 11.5

Upton clearly has the highest upside, I know that, but Bourn is safer and will nearly be the same cost, Victorino will cost lower and odds are he woudl be better then Upton.

There's no wise investment with Upton JMO.

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Amen, I remember when Holliday hit FA and I wanted him terribly bad. He's amazing.

Speakin' of BJ, check out Chipper's ankle/shin after that line drive hit him earlier this Summer.  Chipper's most recent tweet........

What about bj and victorino?
There's always kickin the tires on what it'd take to get headley

wonder where he would bat in our lineup
 5th?

2khawaii wrote: wonder where he would bat in our lineup
 5th?

Wonder what Wren thought Hunter would get in FA??  I'm guessing 2/26 blew his socks off.  Victorino's price may just have went up....

I would love to see us sign upton and trade for span.

Span
Prado
Heyward
Freeman
Upton
Uggla
Simmons
Catcher until mac comes back

2khawaii wrote: wonder where he would bat in our lineup
 5th?

Depends on who the LF would be, but I would actually guess 3rd at this point, which I wouldn't be thrilled with, but could live with.  A better scenario would be getting Upton and having him play LF while going after Revere/Span for CF.  That would change column 1 to column 2.  Hopefully the formatting isn't ridiculous...

5-Prado                    8-Span/Revere
9-Heyward                5-Prado
8-Upton                    9-Heyward
3-Freeman                3-Freeman
4-Uggla                    7-Upton
2-McCann                 2-McCann
7-LF'er                     4-Uggla
6-Simmons                6-Simmons

Ugh... Upton is basically Francouer with more speed. Decent pop, terrible OBP and Ks a ton.

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--- Smoltz4prez wrote:

Ugh... Upton is basically Francouer with more speed. Decent pop, terrible OBP and Ks a ton.

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Thank you!!

I don't understand the infatuation with this cat... He will hit around .240 with a mid .700 OPS, slug mid to low .400, and K about 170 times a year....No thanks. He's even been called out by teammates for lack of hustle...Pass on this guy.