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SDSU Staying in the MW
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:12 PM
SDSU Staying in the MW
SDSU has decided to stay in the MWC. The question now shifts to the BE. Are they going to sit tight or go out and expand. It's well documented that Cincy and UConn want an ACC invite, but there isn't one on the table. The obvious candidates for expansion now for the BE would come from CUSA and the Sun Belt.
We are set as an indy for 2014 in football and WAC home for oly sports. I don't think we will hear anything until the ACC or Big 12 sends out another round of invites. My gut still tells me we end up in the Sun Belt starting in the 2015-16 season, but there are so many ways the dominoes could fall. If the Big 12 or BiG start pulling at the ACC, things will accelerate very quickly. The ACC is the key in the next round. If they somehow find a way to stay put, then the BE stabilizes for a short period of time. Out west, it looks like the MWC is safe. The 3 highest profile schools - BYU, Utah, TCU, got their big payday and a move up to the big leagues. I don't see Boise going anywhere anytime soon.
Edit: BYU is indy, not in a BCS conference. As of today, they are still holding tight.
Last edited 1/16/2013 3:15 PM by alum93
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:52 PM
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Here's a link:
http://espn.go.com/college-foo...nference-member
Possible new divisions for the 12-member MWC has a Pacific and Mountain Divisions with UNM in the less sexy league that includes Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Utah State and Wyoming.
The Pacific teams would be Fresno, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State and UNLV.
That also means UTEP won't be going to MWC.
Here's one scenario involving Big East/CUSA:
http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/ Now, that doesn’t mean that the Big East is a bad choice for everyone. Houston and SMU, who have been rumored to be targets of the MWC, still make a lot more sense in the Big East. At worst, those schools will be in a better version of the Conference USA that they will be leaving, so the MWC doesn’t provide much upside comparatively. As much as some observers seem to want to watch conferences just pack it in and completely die off, the Big East (or whatever it will be called in the future, which is a separate issue) can still survive as an entity with the pieces that it still has left. Tulsa appears to be a Big East expansion target, which would be a solid addition for its Southwestern flank. UMass is also out there as a classic “university presidents might love it and fans will hate it” option – they have a nascent and struggling FBS program yet offer a public flagship university in the Northeast that plays football at that level (which otherwise don’t exist at all outside of the 5 power conferences plus UConn). Several other schools from Conference USA (e.g. Southern Mississippi) and the MAC (e.g. Northern Illinois) might also get a look, but my feeling is that Tulsa and UMass are the frontrunners to get the Big East up to 12 football members (assuming that San Diego State stays in the MWC) as soon as possible. The league would then do everything it can to keep Navy on board as an addition for 2015 and, if Mike Aresco is successful in doing so, would target one more school on top of that to get to 14 schools for that season.
Last edited 1/16/2013 3:57 PM by KrimsonKrazy
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Posted: 1/16/2013 3:53 PM
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With San Diego State and Boise now back in the MWC, that conference has 12 for FB and 11 for all sports (Hawaii will play oly sports in the BW).
At some point soon, I think the MWC will want 12 oly sports members to even out their schedules. 11, while doable, is awkward and would result in more extensive travel than if they could divide into east-west divisions and limit cross-divisional travel.
They could go to 13 FB and 12 all sports by adding one school (UTEP would seem to be an obvious choice to me) or they could decide on one non-FB member to just balance out Hawaii.
I wonder if NMSU has approached the MWC about an oly-sports only membership. Still a real long-shot, but we are certainly regional and are competitive in oly sports. And we would be a better fit than say Denver (another non-FB candidate) because Denver doesn't play many MWC men's sports.
Hopefully we would then be able to get a FB-only invite to the Sun Belt
Probably too early for the MWC to make that kind of a move, but maybe down the road someday...
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Posted: 1/16/2013 4:18 PM
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Biggest problem for NMSU is that it is not dealing from a position of power regarding football. Basically NMSU must wait to see what happens.
What will be Big East take from CUSA?
What will CUSA take from the Sun Belt?
No CUSA for NMSU with UTEP vetoing such a move (again, with 12 teams, I don't see MWC taking UTEP).
What will be left in the Sun Belt and will NMSU fit in that footprint?
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:35 PM
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I see our likely home as the Sun Belt.
Ultimately they will need an FBS school to join for FB to still qualify as an FBS conference. They won't be able to wait for FCS schools to get past their move-up period.
The question in my mind is do we get invited as an all sports member or just FB only. We have to get out of the WAC - it is literally falling apart, so I would hope for an all-sports invite to the SBC.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:52 PM
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I see our home as C-USA.
Keep in mind: UTEP is just one vote, and the rumor that we (and Western Kentucky) are at the front of the line. If a C-USA west team leaves, that league will need a replacement.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:06 PM
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I hope you are right about CUSA, but I just don't see it.
With UTEP still in CUSA we make some sense geographically, but I seriously doubt UTEP will go for that, and I don't see other schools supporting an NMSU add over a protest from UTEP. I could see Ark State or ULL before us. They would give a tighter footprint, which is becoming more important now to control travel costs.
But I would love for us to make it in to CUSA (over the SunBelt).
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:46 PM
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As I've said 100 times in previous posts, NMSU will get into CUSA over Princess Di's dead body, and only then. One chance, and it's nil...UTEP goes to the MWC. newmexag wrote: I hope you are right about CUSA, but I just don't see it.
With UTEP still in CUSA we make some sense geographically, but I seriously doubt UTEP will go for that, and I don't see other schools supporting an NMSU add over a protest from UTEP. I could see Ark State or ULL before us. They would give a tighter footprint, which is becoming more important now to control travel costs.
But I would love for us to make it in to CUSA (over the SunBelt). |
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Posted: 1/16/2013 7:11 PM
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That was the worse thing which could have happened for the aggies. Now it will be the sunbelt for sure
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:32 PM
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is the BW a possibility? Or are your chances coming back the same as Bakersfield joining - which is zero?
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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:28 AM
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I feel the new WAC for olympic sports is just as good as the Big West. With no invites in the near future by MWC or CUSA, probably the best thing is to stay in the new WAC for olympic sports and try to get football only in the Scum Belt. At least the new WAC will still have the automatic invite to NCAA for basketball.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 10:28 AM
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gtoaggie wrote: I feel the new WAC for olympic sports is just as good as the Big West. With no invites in the near future by MWC or CUSA, probably the best thing is to stay in the new WAC for olympic sports and try to get football only in the Scum Belt. At least the new WAC will still have the automatic invite to NCAA for basketball. May have the invite but the schools in the WAC will kill the quality of recruits to NMSU. And don't forget that Idaho leaves in 2014. The WAC will have to scrape the bottom of the barrel again for another member. 
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Posted: 1/17/2013 11:09 AM
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CrimsonPhantom wrote:
gtoaggie wrote: I feel the new WAC for olympic sports is just as good as the Big West. With no invites in the near future by MWC or CUSA, probably the best thing is to stay in the new WAC for olympic sports and try to get football only in the Scum Belt. At least the new WAC will still have the automatic invite to NCAA for basketball. May have the invite but the schools in the WAC will kill the quality of recruits to NMSU. And don't forget that Idaho leaves in 2014. The WAC will have to scrape the bottom of the barrel again for another member. The WAC for 2014 and indy for football doesn't appear to have hurt recruiting for either football or basketball up to this point. In fact if there is one good thing out of this whole mess it is that our roster in basketball was pretty much set for the next year while the conference fiasco took place. I don't think it is going to take much more movement before we find our new FBS home. The whole BE/MWC fight over Boise and SDSU is done. The BE still has Houston and SMU and may go after Tulsa. It's just a matter of the BE and SB getting their numbers up to at least 12 for a championship game, which i think is most likely. However the situation plays out, CUSA and SB will need more teams and i think we find that soft landing. Heck, looking at our football schedule next year i am sure Walker is using that as a selling point. Lets get back Martin and see what we can do with better qb play. For basketball, we have a puncher's chance at winning the WAC in basketball, but next year is when it should get fun again in terms of another 20+ win season with big Sim having a year under his belt, experience at the PG, and Mullings leading the charge. Frankly, i don't think the conference situation hurt us one bit in football or basketball. I think the coaching losses torpedoed our football chances for a turnaround that many felt was possible coming out of the 2011 season, and that is being addressed. The basketball season is one for rebuilding and I like the potential to return to the NCAAs in the very near future. I really don't see us getting left out of a conference long term or having to go indy very long in football. I'll be surprised if we don't have a home for 2014, and absolutely shocked if we haven't found a stable conference for all our programs by 2015. |
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Posted: 1/17/2013 12:25 PM
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CrimsonPhantom wrote:
gtoaggie wrote: I feel the new WAC for olympic sports is just as good as the Big West. With no invites in the near future by MWC or CUSA, probably the best thing is to stay in the new WAC for olympic sports and try to get football only in the Scum Belt. At least the new WAC will still have the automatic invite to NCAA for basketball. May have the invite but the schools in the WAC will kill the quality of recruits to NMSU. And don't forget that Idaho leaves in 2014. The WAC will have to scrape the bottom of the barrel again for another member. Another big negative with the watered down WAC starting with next year has to do with seeding in the NCAA basketball tournament. NMSU or whoever wins the WAC is going to get a very low seed, which means having to go up against the likes of Duke, Kentucky, North Corolina, teams like that right off the bat in the first round. Hardly a chance to win a round or two. |
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Posted: 1/17/2013 12:35 PM
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UAB's AD is Dean of the C-USA AD Committee, and UAB is 1 of the 2 original members left. If UAB wants to stay in the East then the Tulsa replacement will not be Western Kentucky.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 1:10 PM
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MidnightPrism wrote: UAB's AD is Dean of the C-USA AD Committee, and UAB is 1 of the 2 original members left. If UAB wants to stay in the East then the Tulsa replacement will not be Western Kentucky. Should Tulsa leave CUSA for the BE, there has been mention by fans on the CUSA Board of WKU, stAte, or Louisiana Cajuns as a replacement. Since La Tech would probably lobby to keep the Cajuns out of CUSA that leaves WKU and stAte; either choice would add a new state to the CUSA geographic footprint. Competition wise I think the SBC is the better football conference, but CUSA has better BB for now. Who knows how all this is going to sort out, but I hope you guys find your new home soon whether it be CUSA or Sun Belt. Freedom is not free !!!! Home of the Free because of the Brave !!!
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Posted: 1/17/2013 1:55 PM
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NMSUAggieFan wrote:
CrimsonPhantom wrote:
gtoaggie wrote: I feel the new WAC for olympic sports is just as good as the Big West. With no invites in the near future by MWC or CUSA, probably the best thing is to stay in the new WAC for olympic sports and try to get football only in the Scum Belt. At least the new WAC will still have the automatic invite to NCAA for basketball. May have the invite but the schools in the WAC will kill the quality of recruits to NMSU. And don't forget that Idaho leaves in 2014. The WAC will have to scrape the bottom of the barrel again for another member. Another big negative with the watered down WAC starting with next year has to do with seeding in the NCAA basketball tournament. NMSU or whoever wins the WAC is going to get a very low seed, which means having to go up against the likes of Duke, Kentucky, North Corolina, teams like that right off the bat in the first round. Hardly a chance to win a round or two. Another way to look at it though is we get to play a top team in the country right off the bat. Yeah it would be nice to get a win against Montana or Montana St and then face a top 10 team in the second or third round. We got to play a Final Four team in Mich St 3 years ago and Indiana last year. We found out quickly that we could go toe to toe with MSU. So we lost in the last minute. Big deal. Indiana was better no doubt, but we still hung in and had it in single digits under 5 minutes. I guess i don't see the downside in playing the best of the best right off the bat. Either you belong on the court or you don't. Losing by 3 points to a Final Four team on a national stage proved we belonged, regardless of our seed. |
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Posted: 1/17/2013 2:14 PM
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Yeah, but with each game comes an additional share. The more shares, the more money. The MWC may get six teams in the NCAA---that's a minimum of six shares and an additional share with every win. Shares go to the conference which splits it amongst its members.
See what NMSU is up against?
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Posted: 1/17/2013 2:35 PM
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KrimsonKrazy wrote: Yeah, but with each game comes an additional share. The more shares, the more money. The MWC may get six teams in the NCAA---that's a minimum of six shares and an additional share with every win. Shares go to the conference which splits it amongst its members.
See what NMSU is up against? Again, NMSU not getting an invite to MWC or CUSA anytime soon so might as well just stay in New WAC and lobby for Football only in Scum Belt. Doesn't make sense to go Scum Belt for all sports when they usually only send one team to NCAA with a low seed. Even with a WAC with teams such as Nevada, USU, SJSU, Fresno, NMSU, etc., the NCAA was only taking one team which was the WAC tourney champion.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 3:05 PM
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The WAC had two NCAA Tournament participants a few years ago when NMSU won the tournament and Utah State got an at-large bid, but you're right gtoaggie, it's been a mostly one-team league.
The last time NMSU was in a conference that got more than one bid was in the early 90s when NMSU was in the Big West---UNLV, NMSU and I think a California shcool. One year the Big West got three teams in the Big Dance. Tark the Shark was at UNLV, McCarthy was at NMSU and there were other good coaches including UC Santa Barbara's Jerry Pimm, Long Beach State's Joe Harrington and Seth Greenberg, Gary Colson at Fresno State and Bob Thomason at Pacific. Cal State Fullerton had future NBAer Cedric Ceballos and there was good basketball fueled by UNLV's huge presence and national TV exposure via ESPN's then-novel Big Monday.
Times have changed.
Last edited 1/17/2013 3:06 PM by KrimsonKrazy
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