AzAggieone wrote: co-wac camps last season consistent wac tourney champs and makes ncaa appearances  I wonder why people hate him so much here, yet walker has yet to have a winning season under his belt and he can do know wrong.

AzAggieone wrote: co-wac camps last season consistent wac tourney champs and makes ncaa appearances  I wonder why people hate him so much here, yet walker has yet to have a winning season under his belt and he can do know wrong.

loobh8r wrote:

AzAggieone wrote: co-wac camps last season consistent wac tourney champs and makes ncaa appearances  I wonder why people hate him so much here, yet walker has yet to have a winning season under his belt and he can do know wrong.

I don't get why some of the fanbase falls apart when we lose.  Even our own beat writer predicted an Aggie loss.  I thought we were going to lose too because Bucknell is a very good team.  I feel our fans can't accept a loss unless it is Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Arizona...you get what I'm saying.  Very little research shows that Bucknell came into the game undefeated, a school that won the Patriot League last year but lost in their tournament, a school that beat Arizona in Tucson (yep-the Arizona that beat us in Cruces), have a Senior beast and future NBAer in Muscala.  They already beat Purdue and George Mason this year, two other quality schools like NMSU.  Their RPI BEFORE playing us was 36 with an undefeated record.

We are going to lose games to good teams folks...especially on the road. We are going to win games against good teams too. We are replacing three starters from last years team. I don't understand how Nephawe has played so poor the last two games but if there is any player who will turn it around I am fairly certain he can.

So the sky is not falling but yes we have two losses to two very good teams on the road.  My prediction is that we beat Niagra going away.

Jdriver wrote:

loobh8r wrote:

AzAggieone wrote: co-wac camps last season consistent wac tourney champs and makes ncaa appearances  I wonder why people hate him so much here, yet walker has yet to have a winning season under his belt and he can do know wrong.

I don't get why some of the fanbase falls apart when we lose.  Even our own beat writer predicted an Aggie loss.  I thought we were going to lose too because Bucknell is a very good team.  I feel our fans can't accept a loss unless it is Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Arizona...you get what I'm saying.  Very little research shows that Bucknell came into the game undefeated, a school that won the Patriot League last year but lost in their tournament, a school that beat Arizona in Tucson (yep-the Arizona that beat us in Cruces), have a Senior beast and future NBAer in Muscala.  They already beat Purdue and George Mason this year, two other quality schools like NMSU.  Their RPI BEFORE playing us was 36 with an undefeated record.

We are going to lose games to good teams folks...especially on the road. We are going to win games against good teams too. We are replacing three starters from last years team. I don't understand how Nephawe has played so poor the last two games but if there is any player who will turn it around I am fairly certain he can.

So the sky is not falling but yes we have two losses to two very good teams on the road.  My prediction is that we beat Niagra going away.

Bucknell expects to win games,,EVERY GAME...  NMSU expects to only win Conf Games and against the Westerns and No New Mexicos of the world.

We get lucky when the Aggies beat the LO-BLOWS and Slimers 1 out of 5 times...

Under MM we might win our Conf,,but we will never win a NCAA game with him.

Guess I just expect to much hoping to be anywhere from 10-4 to 13-0 going into Conf Play.

I will just quit living in the Henson, McCarthy and Reggie past.

UTEP just signs one of the best players in the Nation,,,and Menzie will bring in some super duper soccer player that is super athelitic, but just started playing basketball 2 years ago.

loobh8r wrote:

Jdriver wrote:

loobh8r wrote:

AzAggieone wrote: co-wac camps last season consistent wac tourney champs and makes ncaa appearances  I wonder why people hate him so much here, yet walker has yet to have a winning season under his belt and he can do know wrong.

I don't get why some of the fanbase falls apart when we lose.  Even our own beat writer predicted an Aggie loss.  I thought we were going to lose too because Bucknell is a very good team.  I feel our fans can't accept a loss unless it is Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Arizona...you get what I'm saying.  Very little research shows that Bucknell came into the game undefeated, a school that won the Patriot League last year but lost in their tournament, a school that beat Arizona in Tucson (yep-the Arizona that beat us in Cruces), have a Senior beast and future NBAer in Muscala.  They already beat Purdue and George Mason this year, two other quality schools like NMSU.  Their RPI BEFORE playing us was 36 with an undefeated record.

We are going to lose games to good teams folks...especially on the road. We are going to win games against good teams too. We are replacing three starters from last years team. I don't understand how Nephawe has played so poor the last two games but if there is any player who will turn it around I am fairly certain he can.

So the sky is not falling but yes we have two losses to two very good teams on the road.  My prediction is that we beat Niagra going away.

Bucknell expects to win games,,EVERY GAME...  NMSU expects to only win Conf Games and against the Westerns and No New Mexicos of the world.

We get lucky when the Aggies beat the LO-BLOWS and Slimers 1 out of 5 times...

Under MM we might win our Conf,,but we will never win a NCAA game with him.

Guess I just expect to much hoping to be anywhere from 10-4 to 13-0 going into Conf Play.

I will just quit living in the Henson, McCarthy and Reggie past.

UTEP just signs one of the best players in the Nation,,,and Menzie will bring in some super duper soccer player that is super athelitic, but just started playing basketball 2 years ago.

Really???  Sources please...

I don't know how you survived Hensons last year of a 4-10 start.  Too bad last years 10-5 start didn't cut it as this years 9-4 probably won't either. 

Make sure you keep looking up to avoid the pieces of sky that are falling.

loobh8r wrote:

AzAggieone wrote: co-wac camps last season consistent wac tourney champs and makes ncaa appearances  I wonder why people hate him so much here, yet walker has yet to have a winning season under his belt and he can do know wrong.

I don't get why some of the fanbase falls apart when we lose.  Even our own beat writer predicted an Aggie loss.  I thought we were going to lose too because Bucknell is a very good team.  I feel our fans can't accept a loss unless it is Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Arizona...you get what I'm saying.  Very little research shows that Bucknell came into the game undefeated, a school that won the Patriot League last year but lost in their tournament, a school that beat Arizona in Tucson (yep-the Arizona that beat us in Cruces), have a Senior beast and future NBAer in Muscala.  They already beat Purdue and George Mason this year, two other quality schools like NMSU.  Their RPI BEFORE playing us was 36 with an undefeated record.

We are going to lose games to good teams folks...especially on the road. We are going to win games against good teams too. We are replacing three starters from last years team. I don't understand how Nephawe has played so poor the last two games but if there is any player who will turn it around I am fairly certain he can.

So the sky is not falling but yes we have two losses to two very good teams on the road.  My prediction is that we beat Niagra going away.

Jdriver wrote:

loobh8r wrote:

AzAggieone wrote: co-wac camps last season consistent wac tourney champs and makes ncaa appearances  I wonder why people hate him so much here, yet walker has yet to have a winning season under his belt and he can do know wrong.

I don't get why some of the fanbase falls apart when we lose.  Even our own beat writer predicted an Aggie loss.  I thought we were going to lose too because Bucknell is a very good team.  I feel our fans can't accept a loss unless it is Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Arizona...you get what I'm saying.  Very little research shows that Bucknell came into the game undefeated, a school that won the Patriot League last year but lost in their tournament, a school that beat Arizona in Tucson (yep-the Arizona that beat us in Cruces), have a Senior beast and future NBAer in Muscala.  They already beat Purdue and George Mason this year, two other quality schools like NMSU.  Their RPI BEFORE playing us was 36 with an undefeated record.

We are going to lose games to good teams folks...especially on the road. We are going to win games against good teams too. We are replacing three starters from last years team. I don't understand how Nephawe has played so poor the last two games but if there is any player who will turn it around I am fairly certain he can.

So the sky is not falling but yes we have two losses to two very good teams on the road.  My prediction is that we beat Niagra going away.

Bucknell expects to win games,,EVERY GAME...  NMSU expects to only win Conf Games and against the Westerns and No New Mexicos of the world.

Bucknell returned their four top scorers from a last year and eight of their top ten players from a team that went 25-10. NMSU lost their four top scorers from last season. This season, Bucknell beat Purdue on their home court and with that many veterans returning looking to have a big year.   

We get lucky when the Aggies beat the LO-BLOWS and Slimers 1 out of 5 times...

Last season, NMSU was a senior loaded team and simply came out of the gates quicker than UNM. Our seniors had a lot to prove. However, keep in mind, UNM is willing to pay over one-million dollars for a coach. They have a bigger overall budget, play in a more prestigious conference, and they can recruit top prospects because they see a packed Pit arena on their visits.

Under MM we might win our Conf,,but we will never win a NCAA game with him.

This is mainly because the WAC dosen't carry much clout with the NCAA. The best seed a WAC Champion can expect is a 12th, 13th, or 14th seed...even when Utah State goes 30-3 in 2011. With that high a seed NMSU will draw teams like Michigan State (Went to the final four), and Indiana (Lost to Kentucky in Sweet Sixteen); very tough to get past the first NCAA tournament game. And, things will get worse with the slow demise of the WAC. Menzies' job to bring in good recruits has now become that much harder. No good recruit wants to play against CS Bakersfield or Utah Valley. And if Menzies were to leave, no good coach would want to coach in this conference.  

Guess I just expect to much hoping to be anywhere from 10-4 to 13-0 going into Conf Play.

Yes you do... We lost three players who broke NMSU career records. Our best returning player is only a sophomore, our senior class appears to be a weak class, and we have what appears to be a tougher schedule than first thought. Bucknell beat Purdue, South Alabama beat Florida State, Southern Mississippi just beat Georgia, and UNM and UTEP will always be tough. 

I will just quit living in the Henson, McCarthy and Reggie past.

First of all, Reggie didn't get out of the NCAA first round either. Second, Henson's success came in a different era when top players were less scouted (and less publicized) and during the McCarthy era recruiting rules were more relaxed. McCarthy could sign and release players with out worrying about APR repercussions...besides he cheated! 

UTEP just signs one of the best players in the Nation,,,and Menzie will bring in some super duper soccer player that is super athelitic, but just started playing basketball 2 years ago.

Tim Floyd has always been a good recruiter. but once he became the a head coach in the NBA and USC (and signed players like OJ Mayo), he built a national reputation (good and bad). Prior to NMSU, Menzies work was always behind the seens as an assistant coach. So, Marvin Menzies, head coach of New Mexico State and a member of the WAC conference doesn't carry the same clout as Tim Floyd ex-head coach of Idaho, UNO, Iowa State, Chicago Bulls, New Orleans Hornets, and USC, now head coach of UTEP, and member of Conference USA or Steve Alford, ex-NCAA Championship players, ex-Olympian, ex-NBA player, ex-head coach of SW Missouri State and Iowa, now head coach of Mew Mexico and a member of the Mountain West Conference. I think Marvin Menzies has done an excellent job considering the constraints he has to work with at NMSU.    

Bottomline, you want more from NMSU? Put NMSU in a better conference, give them a much bigger budget, and hire a high profile million-dollar coach and pack the Pan Am Center. Or, wait every few years when NMSU is senior loaded and has seasoned well coached players to beat teams like Bucknell and UNM...BTW, three of Bucknell's top four scorers are seniors so they will probably be down in strength next year like NMSU is now.

We are just young, inexperienced as a team and raw in talent right now. NMSU will get better as the season progresses...like prior seasons. Unfortunately, unless someone has the connections to broker a deal to get NMSU into a much better conference or someone wins the lottery and gives all the money to NMSU Athletics it is just the life as an Aggie fan. 

jtnmsu wrote: 

To me we should have outrebounded Bucknell no matter their RPI or ranking or roster. We should be able to out rebound all teams we play this year.

Well, with the state of Aggie athletics and the situation with the WAC realignment, Marvin Menzies is about the best coach we can realistically get at NMSU. If you don't support him, you only hurt the program further.

NMSUPistolPete wrote:

Jdriver wrote:

loobh8r wrote:

AzAggieone wrote: co-wac camps last season consistent wac tourney champs and makes ncaa appearances  I wonder why people hate him so much here, yet walker has yet to have a winning season under his belt and he can do know wrong.

I don't get why some of the fanbase falls apart when we lose.  Even our own beat writer predicted an Aggie loss.  I thought we were going to lose too because Bucknell is a very good team.  I feel our fans can't accept a loss unless it is Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Arizona...you get what I'm saying.  Very little research shows that Bucknell came into the game undefeated, a school that won the Patriot League last year but lost in their tournament, a school that beat Arizona in Tucson (yep-the Arizona that beat us in Cruces), have a Senior beast and future NBAer in Muscala.  They already beat Purdue and George Mason this year, two other quality schools like NMSU.  Their RPI BEFORE playing us was 36 with an undefeated record.

We are going to lose games to good teams folks...especially on the road. We are going to win games against good teams too. We are replacing three starters from last years team. I don't understand how Nephawe has played so poor the last two games but if there is any player who will turn it around I am fairly certain he can.

So the sky is not falling but yes we have two losses to two very good teams on the road.  My prediction is that we beat Niagra going away.

Bucknell expects to win games,,EVERY GAME...  NMSU expects to only win Conf Games and against the Westerns and No New Mexicos of the world.

Bucknell returned their four top scorers from a last year and eight of their top ten players from a team that went 25-10. NMSU lost their four top scorers from last season. This season, Bucknell beat Purdue on their home court and with that many veterans returning looking to have a big year.   

We get lucky when the Aggies beat the LO-BLOWS and Slimers 1 out of 5 times...

Last season, NMSU was a senior loaded team and simply came out of the gates quicker than UNM. Our seniors had a lot to prove. However, keep in mind, UNM is willing to pay over one-million dollars for a coach. They have a bigger overall budget, play in a more prestigious conference, and they can recruit top prospects because they see a packed Pit arena on their visits.

Under MM we might win our Conf,,but we will never win a NCAA game with him.

This is mainly because the WAC dosen't carry much clout with the NCAA. The best seed a WAC Champion can expect is a 12th, 13th, or 14th seed...even when Utah State goes 30-3 in 2011. With that high a seed NMSU will draw teams like Michigan State (Went to the final four), and Indiana (Lost to Kentucky in Sweet Sixteen); very tough to get past the first NCAA tournament game. And, things will get worse with the slow demise of the WAC. Menzies' job to bring in good recruits has now become that much harder. No good recruit wants to play against CS Bakersfield or Utah Valley. And if Menzies were to leave, no good coach would want to coach in this conference.  

Guess I just expect to much hoping to be anywhere from 10-4 to 13-0 going into Conf Play.

Yes you do... We lost three players who broke NMSU career records. Our best returning player is only a sophomore, our senior class appears to be a weak class, and we have what appears to be a tougher schedule than first thought. Bucknell beat Purdue, South Alabama beat Florida State, Southern Mississippi just beat Georgia, and UNM and UTEP will always be tough. 

I will just quit living in the Henson, McCarthy and Reggie past.

First of all, Reggie didn't get out of the NCAA first round either. Second, Henson's success came in a different era when top players were less scouted (and less publicized) and during the McCarthy era recruiting rules were more relaxed. McCarthy could sign and release players with out worrying about APR repercussions...besides he cheated! 

UTEP just signs one of the best players in the Nation,,,and Menzie will bring in some super duper soccer player that is super athelitic, but just started playing basketball 2 years ago.

Tim Floyd has always been a good recruiter. but once he became the a head coach in the NBA and USC (and signed players like OJ Mayo), he built a national reputation (good and bad). Prior to NMSU, Menzies work was always behind the seens as an assistant coach. So, Marvin Menzies, head coach of New Mexico State and a member of the WAC conference doesn't carry the same clout as Tim Floyd ex-head coach of Idaho, UNO, Iowa State, Chicago Bulls, New Orleans Hornets, and USC, now head coach of UTEP, and member of Conference USA or Steve Alford, ex-NCAA Championship players, ex-Olympian, ex-NBA player, ex-head coach of SW Missouri State and Iowa, now head coach of Mew Mexico and a member of the Mountain West Conference. I think Marvin Menzies has done an excellent job considering the constraints he has to work with at NMSU.    

Bottomline, you want more from NMSU? Put NMSU in a better conference, give them a much bigger budget, and hire a high profile million-dollar coach and pack the Pan Am Center. Or, wait every few years when NMSU is senior loaded and has seasoned well coached players to beat teams like Bucknell and UNM...BTW, three of Bucknell's top four scorers are seniors so they will probably be down in strength next year like NMSU is now.

We are just young, inexperienced as a team and raw in talent right now. NMSU will get better as the season progresses...like prior seasons. Unfortunately, unless someone has the connections to broker a deal to get NMSU into a much better conference or someone wins the lottery and gives all the money to NMSU Athletics it is just the life as an Aggie fan. 

gtoaggie wrote:

loobh8r wrote:

Jdriver got you on this one loob8hr.  This is MM's 6th year and the 10-5 Non-conf start was the best start of his career. I understand losing to good teams but the way they lose is so frustrating.  Also, why would you predict a loss to Bucknell before they even played?  Why wouldn't you expect the Ags to win? Is that what the new attitude should be for the fan base? You can't blame the fan base for falling apart a little bit.  We have the right and we should expect more from MM and the team. Apparently, you expect less.