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R E M I ??????

Posted: 11/12/2012 4:29 PM

R E M I ?????? 


What happened to this kid? I remember in late 2011 he was the talk of the town. After a crappy 2011 and loss of Gillenwater, it was "Never Fear Remi Barry plays next year!" then after a lackluster smattering of minutes in 2012 we all chalked it up to; "1st year, too many seniors for him to get minutes." Well what happened?? Now this kid is an "end of the bench dweller"! Seems he is on Menzies dog list. Anybody heard anything of substance regarding this matter?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 4:39 PM

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Don't ask. I did this last year and it seems as though this kid is not a fit for this system/program. Maybe he's struggling in the classroom or he just isn't all that. If I were him i'd be looking at schools to transfer to pretty soon because his clock is ticking and if he can't even take his warm ups off after a game like last night then the writing is on the wall.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 4:40 PM

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nmsupaint wrote: What happened to this kid? I remember in late 2011 he was the talk of the town. After a crappy 2011 and loss of Gillenwater, it was "Never Fear Remi Barry plays next year!" then after a lackluster smattering of minutes in 2012 we all chalked it up to; "1st year, too many seniors for him to get minutes." Well what happened?? Now this kid is an "end of the bench dweller"! Seems he is on Menzies dog list. Anybody heard anything of substance regarding this matter?

Its called no Belief and no Coaching.

The Kid really is good,,,,but 10 is thought to be better
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Posted: 11/12/2012 4:47 PM

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Saw very little of him on the court last season and can't pass too much judgement. I was not impressed with much of anything he did, but again, he played so sparingly. At the end of last season Menzies brought Remi to a coach's luncheon which seemed to indicate that he would figure into the Aggie's future plans.

Taking into account that the season is very, very young, Remi still could emerge, but he may not be playing for a lot of reasons including that others have moved ahead of him. I've said this several times, but you just can't have a jump shooter out there, a D-1 team needs someone who can play defense. No defense, no play. That apparently is BJ West's problem.

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Posted: 11/12/2012 5:45 PM

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I like what little I saw of Remi but apparently in Menzies mind he still has deficiencies or else he would see more playing time. I have to trust, in general, Menzies knows best about his team.

 

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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:27 PM

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NMSUPistolPete wrote: I like what little I saw of Remi but apparently in Menzies mind he still has deficiencies or else he would see more playing time. I have to trust, in general, Menzies knows best about his team.
I don't really trust Menzies judgement on the players talents.

To me he is very stubborn and slow to change. His mind gets made up on something early and he rarely changes his mind or make adjustments. That is just my take on the deal.

To me it is obvious that we need more scoring in the lineup. To me Remi Barry provides a chance for 10 points per game if given a chance to play regular minutes of 20 or more. If Remi plays 3 or 5 or 7 minutes per game of course he will be limited. 99% of the team would be with that short of a leash.

Same goes for BJ West and Weary. They are scorers who can provide points given half a chance. We need points this year. These 3 in my book can add points to our scoreboard every game.

Of course KK is right in his take that you must also play Defense to get playing time. But I would submit that many playing now don't really play good Defense, as evidenced last night when Starks or Sparks or whatever the hell his name was went off on our guards to the tune of a career high 35 points or so. Sim did not play an ounce of Defense and he saw minutes. Dixon is not a stand out on Defense. So the argument only goes so far.

We are not a Defensive juggernaut. Our mode of operation is to outscore teams. And last year we could do that with Wen, Ham and Hernst. This year we need more help. To me Remi Barry, BJ West, and Weary Jr. provide an excellent chance to add points to our lineup.

To me Menzies needs to not be so stubborn and make adjustments more quickly. I have not been to practice lately, but perhaps there are legitimate reasons Remi, Weary, and West do not play this year. If so I withdraw my argument. But if they are being held out only by a perceived lack of talent then I say baloney. They have talent.

Give them a chance to show it with some meaningful minutes. We treat these early season non-WAC games as preseason most of the time anyway, so now is the time to experiment and not be stubborn.

That is my take, and I am sticking to it.

JT
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:26 PM

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NMSUPistolPete wrote: I like what little I saw of Remi but apparently in Menzies mind he still has deficiencies or else he would see more playing time. I have to trust, in general, Menzies knows best about his team.
I don't really trust Menzies judgement on the players talents.

To me he is very stubborn and slow to change. His mind gets made up on something early and he rarely changes his mind or make adjustments. That is just my take on the deal.

To me it is obvious that we need more scoring in the lineup. To me Remi Barry provides a chance for 10 points per game if given a chance to play regular minutes of 20 or more. If Remi plays 3 or 5 or 7 minutes per game of course he will be limited. 99% of the team would be with that short of a leash.

Same goes for BJ West and Weary. They are scorers who can provide points given half a chance. We need points this year. These 3 in my book can add points to our scoreboard every game.

Of course KK is right in his take that you must also play Defense to get playing time. But I would submit that many playing now don't really play good Defense, as evidenced last night when Starks or Sparks or whatever the hell his name was went off on our guards to the tune of a career high 35 points or so. Sim did not play an ounce of Defense and he saw minutes. Dixon is not a stand out on Defense. So the argument only goes so far.

We are not a Defensive juggernaut. Our mode of operation is to outscore teams. And last year we could do that with Wen, Ham and Hernst. This year we need more help. To me Remi Barry, BJ West, and Weary Jr. provide an excellent chance to add points to our lineup.

To me Menzies needs to not be so stubborn and make adjustments more quickly. I have not been to practice lately, but perhaps there are legitimate reasons Remi, Weary, and West do not play this year. If so I withdraw my argument. But if they are being held out only by a perceived lack of talent then I say baloney. They have talent.

Give them a chance to show it with some meaningful minutes. We treat these early season non-WAC games as preseason most of the time anyway, so now is the time to experiment and not be stubborn.

That is my take, and I am sticking to it.

JT

Great take JT.  I agree with the three players you mentioned.  I feel West gives the Ags not only points but rebounding as well.  He's a good shot blocker too.  I was not impressed with the first game and didn't agree with the substitutions MM made.  Need more offense and West, Weary, and Barry give the Ags the best chance for points off the bench.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 11:39 AM

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I'd like to see Remi get additional playing time - I see some of Gillenwater's smoothness on offense.  Problem is, where do you play him?  There's been earlier talk about using him as a backup 4, but I don't think he's physical enough and Dixon looks like he'll have that role anyway with West backing him up, even though West's a more natural center.  (Think Watson will ultimately be used more at guard or 3, rather than an undersized 4.)  Maybe Remi could be used as a 4 against a smaller, faster 3/4 guard team, but not against most teams.  A 3 would seem to be a better position, but I'm not sure his defense is good enough to backup Sy.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 2:16 PM

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I know nothing about Remi's personal life, and I have no "inside source", but I have a pretty good hunch Remi has been a bit of a problem-child for Menzies. One of those players that never gives you that 110% effort your looking for in practice. A player that Menzies is not quite sure he can trust on the court and/or off the court. What a waste if he never sees the floor this year. He'll surely transfer if thats the case.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 3:32 PM

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nmsupaint wrote: I know nothing about Remi's personal life, and I have no "inside source", but I have a pretty good hunch Remi has been a bit of a problem-child for Menzies. One of those players that never gives you that 110% effort your looking for in practice. A player that Menzies is not quite sure he can trust on the court and/or off the court. What a waste if he never sees the floor this year. He'll surely transfer if thats the case.

I don't think he's a problem child.  Again, Menzies brought Remi to a coach's luncheon towards the end of last season and said that a lot was expected of him.  Remi told those in attendance that he knew what he had to work on and was going to do it. 

I just think right now, and just my opinion, that Remi's soft and doesn't have the physical and mental toughness to perform at this level.  I say this all the time, but it's also about a player's ability to play defense.  A pretty jump shot is fine, but if you play "Matador Defense" you're gonna sit.  Offense is the fun part.  Defense is the hard work. 

And, there's also the need to recognize what the other team is doing on offense and defense and adjust.  The great teams not only have players with great physical skills, they have a high basketball IQ.  McCarthy had some very smart players, but his system was relatively simple---athleticism (not necessarily size) in the match up zone.  Offense was based in part on fast breaks created after rebounding and turnovers, and put- backs off offensive rebounds.    The learning curve for his teams was short and that's why they usually started out so well.

I hope Remi gets his chance.

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Posted: 11/13/2012 4:28 PM

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KrimsonKrazy wrote:
nmsupaint wrote: I know nothing about Remi's personal life, and I have no "inside source", but I have a pretty good hunch Remi has been a bit of a problem-child for Menzies. One of those players that never gives you that 110% effort your looking for in practice. A player that Menzies is not quite sure he can trust on the court and/or off the court. What a waste if he never sees the floor this year. He'll surely transfer if thats the case.

I don't think he's a problem child.  Again, Menzies brought Remi to a coach's luncheon towards the end of last season and said that a lot was expected of him.  Remi told those in attendance that he knew what he had to work on and was going to do it. 

I just think right now, and just my opinion, that Remi's soft and doesn't have the physical and mental toughness to perform at this level.  I say this all the time, but it's also about a player's ability to play defense.  A pretty jump shot is fine, but if you play "Matador Defense" you're gonna sit.  Offense is the fun part.  Defense is the hard work. 

And, there's also the need to recognize what the other team is doing on offense and defense and adjust.  The great teams not only have players with great physical skills, they have a high basketball IQ.  McCarthy had some very smart players, but his system was relatively simple---athleticism (not necessarily size) in the match up zone.  Offense was based in part on fast breaks off created after rebounding and turnovers and put- backs off offensive rebounds.    The learning curve for his teams was short and that's why they usually started out so well.

I hope Remi gets his chance.
 This is a formula MM should employ considering the lack of offensive prowess and wealth of athleticism on the last couple of Aggie teams, . This is what Aggie fans want to see as far as style of play. Also, McCarthy scored big attendance wise with the early season success, especially in the early season tourneys and rival games. The formula is not hard, but MM refuses to give in to the "3 games in March" agenda which is not filling the seats.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 4:40 PM

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The Match Up Zone is considered a gimmick defense by many coaches. And while seemingly effective, not many teams use it throughout the entire game as did McCarthy and Chaney at Temple.

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Posted: 11/13/2012 5:37 PM

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i disagree with jt saying that our "mode of operation is to outscore teams" after jgib, jy and gillenwater left we switched to a more defensive approach. yes that was our mode of operation in the past but not anymore, especially with this years team. we dont have one proven consistent scorer so we are going to have to lean heavily on our defense. i dont know where our points are going to come from this year. i was hoping it would be sy but he still plays hesitant, i dont see remi averaging more than 10+ points a game this year even if his minutes do increase and since his defense is suspect that might not happen. lots of questions remain going into our second game.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:04 PM

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I guess my take is if players never get minutes we will never really know.

When they don't play we will never really know if they were any good or not.

We can speculate, theorize, and conceptualize, but until we see them on the court in game action for 20 or more meaningful minutes we will never know.

My basketball IQ from watching years of basketball tells me that BJ West and Weary Jr. can play ball and are just as good as most getting minutes now. Why they don't get a chance is way beyond me. They are just as tough as anyone playing minutes currently.

Remi Barry has talent, no one doubts that. Is he soft? Or plays poor Defense and slow to adjust? So was Troy to some extent and he got minutes based on offensive skills alone. Remi reminds me of Troy in a way. Kinda slow to adjust and does not always give 101% while on the floor. But hey he can score the ball, no doubt about that.

And my take is that we need to outscore teams again this year, just as we have done in the past. The announcers on the OSU game said that NMSU was like 11th in the nation in scoring last year. And OSU was 10th they said. Or the other way around. They were both 10th and 11th in scoring.

So to me our mode is to outscore people. To shoot more free throws. To grab more rebounds. Defense is nice but is not a skill we possess in any quantity.

Those are my takes, and others have their different takes.

That is what makes it fun. To watch and see what happens. To see which take comes true.

Vamos a ver este ano.

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Posted: 11/13/2012 10:11 PM

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Remi
espn.go.com/mens-college-baske...2012/remi-barry

West
espn.go.com/mens-college-baske...ar/2011/bj-west

West makes a better case with his rebounding and blocked shots but I don't know where the offensive production discussion is coming from unless it is based off YouTube videos which is not a good gauge for a players skills. Heck, I could make a YouTube video making me look like an NBA superstar. Remi's best performances last year were against Northern NM and Western NM while playing about half the game in both and the most points he could score was 7 in both cases. Sorry but I don't see anything that is remotely close to His Troyness. And when Remi was in the game I saw a defensive liability. I don't know if he has improved much in the off season but I can tell Dixon did and he is seeing minutes as a result. Again, I'm gonna go with whAt coach sees in practice because last year Remi had mediocre stats at best.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 10:21 PM

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Rather than lockdown defense with low scoring. I think Menzies defensive style is designed more to speed up the game. It is a high risk, high reward defense. We will either force the other team to put up a bad shot in the defensive scramble or give up an easy layup. Either way, it speeds up the game to nearly an 80-point pace.

Our main offense is to drive the ball into the paint for a layup or a foul and freethrow attempts. NMSU is not going to shoot anyone out of the gym; even with our best shooters on the floor. However, we can out muscle most team. That is who we are and that is why defense and rebounding is placed at a higher premium than shooting ability in Menzies eyes.

This season is like the last. Three point shots will only fly when we are way out ahead or behind late bordering on desperation.

 

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Posted: 11/13/2012 10:31 PM

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nmsupaint wrote: I know nothing about Remi's personal life, and I have no "inside source", but I have a pretty good hunch Remi has been a bit of a problem-child for Menzies. One of those players that never gives you that 110% effort your looking for in practice. A player that Menzies is not quite sure he can trust on the court and/or off the court. What a waste if he never sees the floor this year. He'll surely transfer if thats the case.

I don't think he's a problem child.  Again, Menzies brought Remi to a coach's luncheon towards the end of last season and said that a lot was expected of him.  Remi told those in attendance that he knew what he had to work on and was going to do it. 

I just think right now, and just my opinion, that Remi's soft and doesn't have the physical and mental toughness to perform at this level.  I say this all the time, but it's also about a player's ability to play defense.  A pretty jump shot is fine, but if you play "Matador Defense" you're gonna sit.  Offense is the fun part.  Defense is the hard work. 

And, there's also the need to recognize what the other team is doing on offense and defense and adjust.  The great teams not only have players with great physical skills, they have a high basketball IQ.  McCarthy had some very smart players, but his system was relatively simple---athleticism (not necessarily size) in the match up zone.  Offense was based in part on fast breaks created after rebounding and turnovers, and put- backs off offensive rebounds.    The learning curve for his teams was short and that's why they usually started out so well.

I hope Remi gets his chance.

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I think this post by KK may have a clue. Reading into it maybe Menzies was trying to send a message to Remi that he still had Menzies support if he committed to working on whatever he stated he knew he needed to work on last year. Maybe that didn't happen in the off season. I have a feeling that Menzies has learned not to let players such as JY and Gillenwater rise to the top again without committing to the other tangibles that produce wins. Because if some of these talented players we have had would have actually committed to defense as much as they did their offense the the Aggies would have, or could have, made a run in the tournament. I still think we could have beaten Michigan State with more of a commitment to defense.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:44 AM

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nmsupaint wrote: I know nothing about Remi's personal life, and I have no "inside source", but I have a pretty good hunch Remi has been a bit of a problem-child for Menzies. One of those players that never gives you that 110% effort your looking for in practice. A player that Menzies is not quite sure he can trust on the court and/or off the court. What a waste if he never sees the floor this year. He'll surely transfer if thats the case.

I don't think he's a problem child.  Again, Menzies brought Remi to a coach's luncheon towards the end of last season and said that a lot was expected of him.  Remi told those in attendance that he knew what he had to work on and was going to do it. 

I just think right now, and just my opinion, that Remi's soft and doesn't have the physical and mental toughness to perform at this level.  I say this all the time, but it's also about a player's ability to play defense.  A pretty jump shot is fine, but if you play "Matador Defense" you're gonna sit.  Offense is the fun part.  Defense is the hard work. 

And, there's also the need to recognize what the other team is doing on offense and defense and adjust.  The great teams not only have players with great physical skills, they have a high basketball IQ.  McCarthy had some very smart players, but his system was relatively simple---athleticism (not necessarily size) in the match up zone.  Offense was based in part on fast breaks created after rebounding and turnovers, and put- backs off offensive rebounds.    The learning curve for his teams was short and that's why they usually started out so well.

I hope Remi gets his chance.

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I think this post by KK may have a clue. Reading into it maybe Menzies was trying to send a message to Remi that he still had Menzies support if he committed to working on whatever he stated he knew he needed to work on last year. Maybe that didn't happen in the off season. I have a feeling that Menzies has learned not to let players such as JY and Gillenwater rise to the top again without committing to the other tangibles that produce wins. Because if some of these talented players we have had would have actually committed to defense as much as they did their offense the the Aggies would have, or could have, made a run in the tournament. I still think we could have beaten Michigan State with more of a commitment to defense.

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