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Season Opener Will Be Telling (As Usual)

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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:50 AM

Season Opener Will Be Telling (As Usual) 


Post-1996, Army has only won three season openers: 2009, 2010, and 2013.

2009 and 2010 were decent years (5 and 7 wins, respectively) compared to the awfulness of the rest of 1997-Present.  However, despite the win in 2013, it turned out to be a bad year, but the writing was on the wall as Morgan State was a lay-up and Army didn't look that great in the process.

I say if Army beats Buffalo, they'll finish with 5 wins at minimum, perhaps maxing out at 8 wins.

If Army loses to Buffalo, 5 wins might be the ceiling rather than the floor.

We'll find out soon enough.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 12:13 PM

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With the rash of injuries to our offensive line, winning against Buffalo is dependent on our defense having a great day-we will not be able to win in a high scoring game.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:35 PM

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You may be right, but hopefully the offense can give the defense an early cushion due to Buffalo's unfamiliarity facing Army's system.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:38 PM

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would not make 1 game count so much Buffalo does have game advantage having played.
judge by month of September can be no worse then 2-2 being 1-3 or 0-4 as in past your then always playing catch up. injuries could be factor just not sure how bad they are.
With that being said just find way to win opener
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:33 PM

The mark of success next week... 


Make no mistake that this year isn't about wins and losses.  I love to win.  I'm on record for its importance.  For a clear turnaround though it may be a little slower than we want.  The hallmark of our team must be the fight they demonstrate.  Their resilience to accept setbacks and defeat and to bounce back on every play, every series, every quarter of every game.  Constant improvement is what we will want to see due to this resilience. that may result in some wins and it may not.  However it's the clear and distinct culture change for how to deal with the in season turmoil and tribulations that will be key.  This is seen in nearly every meaningful turnaround of a program.  Wins in year one can be a dangerous proposition because it can lead to people to believe things to be true that are not.  In other words we need to earn each victory.  I hope our opponents don't fall apart in front of us.  I want these kids to have to play a full 60 minutes all 12 weeks.

If there is anything that upsets me it's that the '96 team didn't have a more lasting legacy.  I think our success that year was a direct result of the lessons our team learned in '95.  It also makes that year look like a real anomaly which in many cases it was if you compare it to all the records of the 90's. 

My point of this is that what we want is to rebuild the winning spirit that puts us on a path of continual success and not just one good year.  I believe that we are only half way through year one.  JM and staff have made great progress in chaining the off season culture however there still remains the work of truly building the in season culture and what that will look like for these players and this team.  

This is still just the beginning of the process.  

PD

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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:30 PM

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I agree with P&D for the most part. The only point where I differ is on the playing of the full 60 min. I want them to do so, but I also want the opponent to quit late in the game because of the beating they take on both sides of the ball. I want the foe to reflect the feelings of way back when, in the time frame, where others hated to play us, win lose or draw, because of the beating we inflicted on every play.
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Posted: 8/29/2014 3:44 PM

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mastergate wrote: would not make 1 game count so much

I disagree.

#1 It's one game out of twelve, so it matters no matter when it happens.
#2 It's a winnable game on Army's schedule.
#3 As I said, I think you can tell much of how a season will go based on the first game, particularly for a team you know well.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 10:20 AM

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Curious if anyone watched the Buffalo-Duquense game (not sure why you would with the other matchups on yesterday)?  I was surprised (and encouraged for next week) to see Buffalo had to rally late to pull off a win against an average FCS team.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 4:36 PM

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MockETrouser wrote: Curious if anyone watched the Buffalo-Duquense game (not sure why you would with the other matchups on yesterday)?  I was surprised (and encouraged for next week) to see Buffalo had to rally late to pull off a win against an average FCS team.
I watched the game.  See my post under the thread about the game.  Definitely encouraging IMO.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 5:17 PM

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Joe Licata will burn us with his passing. We have a better run game but you run 12 times on a drive, the other team throws one pass and we are down by 7.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 5:28 PM

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ALL our games are winnable except for Stanford and probably Navy, so will we win 10 this year?

No.

Will we win 8?

No.

How about 6?

Well..?

Ah , NO.

Five?

noidea

Four?

Why, 

YES!  wink.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 5:31 PM

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Maybe we can pull a 1995 this season, sorta' like a prep year for next year and the year after that.
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Posted: 8/31/2014 11:01 PM

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Nobody plays 60 minutes anymore Years back, the game was played that way and we could match most teams in conditioning and weight.

Today is the era of big guys who play 30 minutes  where pure physics neutralizes our once edge.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 8:34 AM

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Yes, Buffalo is an extremely important game especially with Uconn, WKU and Rice looking very good week one. Army has Buffalo, Ball and AF at home and we have to win 2 out of 3.  Ball has owned us over the last 5 years and Kent on the road will not be easy. A bigger/faster Wake on the road will be too much.     Assuming we beat Fordham and Yale, Army has Ball, AFA, Buffalo and Kent to get additional wins.  If we beat Buffalo, then we have a good chance to go over 4 wins, but a loss makes 4 or less likely.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 1:36 PM

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bknight85 wrote: Yes, Buffalo is an extremely important game especially with Uconn, WKU and Rice looking very good week one. Army has Buffalo, Ball and AF at home and we have to win 2 out of 3.  Ball has owned us over the last 5 years and Kent on the road will not be easy. A bigger/faster Wake on the road will be too much.     Assuming we beat Fordham and Yale, Army has Ball, AFA, Buffalo and Kent to get additional wins.  If we beat Buffalo, then we have a good chance to go over 4 wins, but a loss makes 4 or less likely.

Actually, we beat Ball State in 2009, 24-17.  Two of the last three have been BSU blowouts both times in Muncie.  The last game at Michie was 30-22.  They have owned us in Muncie, but not in Michie, and now we have Bateman on our side, and they no longer have Wenning at QB.  

Wake has a smaller OL than Buffalo and they are about the same size as both Buffalo and us in their defensive front 7.  They had only 94 yards of total offense against ULM, and ULM is not Alabama or Auburn.  The last time we played WF in Winston-Salem we had three plebes starting in the backfield and still led at the half.  WF went ahead on a long TD drive to start the 3d quarter, and then Army fumbled the ball on our own 25 and WF turned that into a TD to take a 12 point lead.  An apparent interception by Carnegie in the 4th quarter was overturned on review, and WF scored on the next play.  Losing the turnover battle probably cost us the game. They looked a lot better against us last year with their All ACC NG, but he's gone now. I'm not conceding that game to WF, although I do think it will be difficult to get ready for the trip to NC after the long trip to Cal.  They'll have to make good use of their time on the flight back.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 7:39 PM

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Playing a game in California against a super power, coming back to WP in the early hours of Sunday, then traveling on the road to NC 4-5 days later is as about as tough as you can make it.

Sounds like that was put together by a knucklehead or Kevin Anderson years back.
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