wp1994 wrote: This was a really disappointing game to watch. I didn't keep count, but I'd be shocked if we didn't miss more than a dozen open shots, many of them relatively simple layups. The number of times we left them wide open for three pointers also left me very puzzled. Definitely not their best game of the year (on national TV).

Beat 'em!

RABBLE wrote: When was the last time we played well and convincingly won on national TV in BB or football?
We obviously can't beat Navy at all when the lights are turned on and people watch Army play in anything.

So, what the hell is new?

RABBLE wrote: Good for BullDog Son but why do we have to reach into the "archives" to get a shiny moment against Navy? How about creating some new ones to create a bit of interest for newer potential fans who can be proud of the BB AND football afficiandos that would root for Army teams?

The last time we beat Navy in 2001 IN FOOTBALL, did we actually have color by then or waS IT LIKE 1940 AGAIN WITH GRAINEY BLACK AND WHITE FOOTAGE?

GEEZ.

I mean how many times can you watch Glenn Davis scoring from 80 yards out on the black and white stuff to get a REAL Army Football thrill?

Seen that, watched that, a thousand times over the past 65 years. I would like to see some present day modern color stuff these days before I depart this earthly valley of tears.  

Bison...who was it who said the following about Spiker not having an opportunity to recruit and give him a chance?....

I guess the Navy Coach, who is in his second year, did not get the memo.  I saw a more controlled Navy team.  An equally, or even younger team, with very limited time to recruit.  Now that the drama of the Navy coach during his 1st year is over, there is likely to be a a steady improvement in the program.
 

Bison137 wrote: It's not quite as easy as you seem to think. Can you explain to me why Coach K had worse results than Spiker once he had his own recruits in place??

armypicknroll wrote:

How many years does it take to get Spiker's recruiting in place? Obviously you are counting USMAPS as a recruiting year...but still 4 years now..right?

Bison137 wrote:
No. At best, he has had two years. Considering MAPS, really only one year. He was hired in October 2009 - which was way too late to recruit any quality seniors (H.S. Class of 2010). So he has had a legitimate chance to recruit the H.S. Classes of 2011 and 2012. Much of the latter class would likely have gone to MAPS however. The guys he recruited in his first true opportunity - the H.S. class of 2011 - include Toth, Cox, K.Wilson, Ferguson, and Toomey, plus Lenox.

armypicknroll wrote:
Too many substitutions! I really do not think it is about a lack of talent.
Herbeck on the court does make others open, as he is a pretty significant threat from the field.
PL is right around the corner. With the Navy coach in his second year, it may be a tougher game series for Army this year.

BulldogDad wrote:

wp1994 wrote: This was a really disappointing game to watch. I didn't keep count, but I'd be shocked if we didn't miss more than a dozen open shots, many of them relatively simple layups. The number of times we left them wide open for three pointers also left me very puzzled. Definitely not their best game of the year (on national TV).

Beat 'em!

C'mon '94, tell us how you really feel.  I just looked at the final box score: eau de repugnance.  2-20 from the arc, 31% shooting overall.  4 assists to 12 turnovers: how do you only get 4 team assists?  You should get 7 or 8 by accident.  Our leading rebounder was the point guard.  Only 2 team steals: matador defense obviously - ole!  To lose to a bad Navy team at home...



I've asked the Vice President to look into what's going on with Army basketball...

losttribe wrote: The Navy coach is a hack, in my opinion, but not sure of the rationale of the Army frenetic lineup changes.

armypicknroll wrote:

Bison...who was it who said the following about Spiker not having an opportunity to recruit and give him a chance?....

I guess the Navy Coach, who is in his second year, did not get the memo.  I saw a more controlled Navy team.  An equally, or even younger team, with very limited time to recruit.  Now that the drama of the Navy coach during his 1st year is over, there is likely to be a a steady improvement in the program.
 

Bison137 wrote: It's not quite as easy as you seem to think. Can you explain to me why Coach K had worse results than Spiker once he had his own recruits in place??

 

armypicknroll wrote:

How many years does it take to get Spiker's recruiting in place? Obviously you are counting USMAPS as a recruiting year...but still 4 years now..right?

Bison137 wrote:
No. At best, he has had two years. Considering MAPS, really only one year. He was hired in October 2009 - which was way too late to recruit any quality seniors (H.S. Class of 2010). So he has had a legitimate chance to recruit the H.S. Classes of 2011 and 2012. Much of the latter class would likely have gone to MAPS however. The guys he recruited in his first true opportunity - the H.S. class of 2011 - include Toth, Cox, K.Wilson, Ferguson, and Toomey, plus Lenox.

armypicknroll wrote:
Too many substitutions! I really do not think it is about a lack of talent.
Herbeck on the court does make others open, as he is a pretty significant threat from the field.
PL is right around the corner. With the Navy coach in his second year, it may be a tougher game series for Army this year.

mnagy wrote: The concept of being the better team but still losing is part of the politically correct mentality of today. I like the old way of determining who was better by looking at the final score.

RABBLE wrote: When was the last time we played well and convincingly won on national TV in BB or football?
We obviously can't beat Navy at all when the lights are turned on and people watch Army play in anything.

So, what the hell is new?