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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:04 AM
Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NT
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Last edited 1/15/2013 4:05 AM by plain
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Posted: 1/15/2013 6:49 AM
Re: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NTbb
http://army.scout.com/2/1257530.html
OLine coaching changes: Who cares. There was usually not an issue with the Oline. Just don't screw it up.
DLine coaching change: He committed career suicide at WP. If he came to recruit my kid, knowing his personal life, I would personally call WP and tell them to send someone else if they wanted a shot at my kid. If you want Jerry Springer to represent WP you have an opinion I don't share.
Waugh: Big mistake. He has done well under successive regimes at WP. There is a reason for that. He is a good coach and a good guy.
Notice in the article that when a bunch of DLine recruits were lost it was like-sometimes things happen. When PA only produced one impact player recently it was like-someone must of failed. Definite inconsistency!
The article then has to say that Red Blaik used to do well in PA so we should do well there today. Red Blaik? I am not a historian but you use Red Blaik's success in recruiting a state as the basis to demote a coach today?
The article says WP has recruited better since 2010, then endorses dumping the Recruiting Co-Ordinator. Huh?
Keep The Faith and Keep On Swinging
Last edited 1/15/2013 9:47 AM by OlBarn
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Posted: 1/15/2013 9:03 AM
Re: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NTbb
OlBarn wrote:
http://army.scout.com/2/1257530.html
DLine coaching change: He committed career suicide at WP. If he came to recruit my kid, knowing his personal life, I would personally call WP and tell them to send someone else if they wanted a shot at my kid. If you want Jerry Springer to represnet WP you have an opinion I don't share.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 9:42 AM
Re: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NTbb
OlBarn - I agree that Coach Holmes put himself in a bad situation. My question though, is why didn't they cut him loose a little earlier? That situation, to my understanding, has been out there for quite some time now, well over a year. The DL certainly had some issues this year, but so did pretty much every position that starts with a 'D.' Seems clear to me that RE will not force any change at the head of the defense: HIS coordinator.
On the recruiting situation, you are correct that there are too inconsistencies to stomach here. I think it just comes down to personalities at some point. If RE were really unhappy with Waugh, Tucker would have moved farther than just down the hall. The PA thing seems a little weak, but it's a great case of missing something right under your nose. We have overlooked much of the NE region in marketing, recruiting, etc. PA is just one smaller part of that story.
Bottom line, unless we see some significant changes, these we moves are just window dressing. Coordinator changes are what really matter in making things happen. Of course, even if you brought in a new coordinator in January, how much could he have ready for FEBRUARY spring practice?
Beat 'em!
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DLine coaching change: He committed career suicide at WP. If he came to recruit my kid, knowing his personal life, I would personally call WP and tell them to send someone else if they wanted a shot at my kid. If you want Jerry Springer to represnet WP you have an opinion I don't share.
Waugh: Big mistake. He has done well under successive regimes at WP. There is a reason for that. He is a good coach and a good guy.
Notice in the article that when a bunch of DLine recruits were lost it was like-sometimes things happen. When PA only produced one impact player recently it was like-someone must of failed. Definite inconsistency!
The article then has to say that Red Blaik used to do well in PA so we should do well there today. Red Blaik? I am not a historian but you use Red Blaik's success in recruiting a state as the basis to demote a coach today?
The article says WP has recruited better since 2010, then endorses dumping the Recruiting Co-Ordinator. Huh?
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Posted: 1/15/2013 9:47 AM
Re: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NTbb
keco616 wrote:
OlBarn wrote:
http://army.scout.com/2/1257530.html
DLine coaching change: He committed career suicide at WP. If he came to recruit my kid, knowing his personal life, I would personally call WP and tell them to send someone else if they wanted a shot at my kid. If you want Jerry Springer to represnet WP you have an opinion I don't share.
I trust you feel the same way about Payam Sadaat then? Since you posted what you did I googled PS. I wish that I had not, I assumed he had a birth defect or whatever. I wish that someone had not posted the choices that our former DLine Coach made as well. I am glad that no one knows about, cares about or posts my failures.
I don't get why moderators don't like someone being called b**-b**, yet allow people's personal failures to be posted. I still recall in particular when someone posted that the wife of a BR Assistant had left him.
I am not going to be goaded into looking up any more personal failings and then commenting on them.
Our former DLine Coach's choices were already out there, and if he came to recruit my son, representing WP, I would sadly ask him to leave.
Out on this subject. Keep The Faith and Keep On Swinging
Last edited 1/15/2013 11:37 AM by OlBarn
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Posted: 1/15/2013 9:50 AM
RE: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NT
I was wondering exactly what a recruiting coordinator did, so I went a-googling... here's an espn article from 2008: sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recrui...tory?id=3223751Obviously some of the stuff in the article doesn't directly apply to us. Expect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
It is going to be hard.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 10:00 AM
RE: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NT
BeatNavy wrote: I was wondering exactly what a recruiting coordinator did, so I went a-googling...
here's an espn article from 2008: sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recrui...tory?id=3223751
Obviously some of the stuff in the article doesn't directly apply to us. Great point on what is a recruiting co.
WP1994 had it right: Coordinator changes are what really matter in making things happen.
If RE thinks that moving a very solid, faithful guy out (Waugh), and replacing him with a nomad (Moses) is a good move, he has moved closer to going over the cliff. Keep The Faith and Keep On Swinging
Last edited 1/15/2013 10:29 AM by OlBarn
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Posted: 1/15/2013 10:38 AM
More defensive coaching changes need to be made. NT
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Posted: 1/15/2013 10:49 AM
I wish Saadat gone and Smeland sole DC on merit. I believe..
the D would be more aggressive which has been Smeland's calling card.
I wonder if Saadat's history was disclosed and/or vetted before his hiring.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 11:05 AM
RE: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NT
OlBarn wrote:
BeatNavy wrote: I was wondering exactly what a recruiting coordinator did, so I went a-googling...
here's an espn article from 2008: sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recrui...tory?id=3223751
Obviously some of the stuff in the article doesn't directly apply to us.
Great point on what is a recruiting co.
WP1994 had it right: Coordinator changes are what really matter in making things happen.
If RE thinks that moving a very solid, faithful guy out (Waugh), and replacing him with a nomad (Moses) is a good move, he has moved closer to going over the cliff. Moses isn't going to be the recruiting coordinator, Guyader is. Guyader has experience in the role from his time under RE at Cal Poly. Expect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
It is going to be hard.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 11:45 AM
RE: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NT
BeatNavy wrote:
OlBarn wrote:
BeatNavy wrote: I was wondering exactly what a recruiting coordinator did, so I went a-googling...
here's an espn article from 2008: sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recrui...tory?id=3223751
Obviously some of the stuff in the article doesn't directly apply to us.
Great point on what is a recruiting co.
WP1994 had it right: Coordinator changes are what really matter in making things happen.
If RE thinks that moving a very solid, faithful guy out (Waugh), and replacing him with a nomad (Moses) is a good move, he has moved closer to going over the cliff. Moses isn't going to be the recruiting coordinator, Guyader is. Guyader has experience in the role from his time under RE at Cal Poly. But Moses is replacing Waugh as Running Back Coach, which is what I was referring to.
A lot of good posts on the topic.
In my lowly opinion there is a big problem with Army Football. All we got was window dressing. RE even managed to screw up some of that (moving Waugh). Keep The Faith and Keep On Swinging
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Posted: 1/15/2013 11:57 AM
Re: I wish Saadat gone and Smeland sole DC on merit. I believe..
plain wrote:
I wonder if Saadat's history was disclosed and/or vetted before his hiring. I'm sure that an incident that happened in the first half of the 1990s and was then the subject of a year-long investigation and resulted in no charges being filed was indeed vetted. http://articles.latimes.com/19...600_1_left-handExpect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
It is going to be hard.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 12:21 PM
Common in politics to ask potential candidates if they have...
any skeletons in the closet. I'd say for a possible coach at WP, that was a really big skeleton.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 3:11 PM
Waugh Moved. Payback?
http://www.galesburg.com/newsn...getting-noticed
Waugh has been recruiting, but he also...
http://www.thedepauw.com/sport...-more-1.2969103
...interviewed for the head coach position at DePauw.
Less then positive remarks were made about Tucker Waugh in the referenced article. Would RE rate an interview at DePauw?
Keep The Faith and Keep On Swinging
Last edited 1/15/2013 3:37 PM by OlBarn
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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:04 PM
Payam Saadat was guilty of being a dumb college kid. Period.
Payam Saadat was guilty of being a dumb college kid. Period. Tell me there aren't guys on the Army football team who, in similar circumstances, wouldn't also have loved to make a bomb and see it explode.
And we're talking Washington, my home for the last 35+ years. Eastern Washington, the rural part of the state. Get far enough away from Seattle and in many respects it's still the Wild West. Explosives are not hard to come by. M-80's, illegal everywhere of course, are nonetheless more common than sparklers during our "Fourth of July", which lasts for the better part of a week.
Judge Payam Saadat by his work at West Point, if you will, but not by a youthful prank 20 years in the past. I would imagine he still lives with it every day of his life.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:38 PM
thats appalling
coachwyatt wrote: Payam Saadat was guilty of being a dumb college kid. Period. Tell me there aren't guys on the Army football team who, in similar circumstances, wouldn't also have loved to make a bomb and see it explode.
And we're talking Washington, my home for the last 35+ years. Eastern Washington, the rural part of the state. Get far enough away from Seattle and in many respects it's still the Wild West. Explosives are not hard to come by. M-80's, illegal everywhere of course, are nonetheless more common than sparklers during our "Fourth of July", which lasts for the better part of a week.
Judge Payam Saadat by his work at West Point, if you will, but not by a youthful prank 20 years in the past. I would imagine he still lives with it every day of his life. Dumb college kid? His actions killed his best friend. Dumb college kid is getting a ticket for public intoxication, not creating devastating explosive devices which in the worst case scenario take a person's life. Judge Clarence Holmes for his work in the program. It's appalling to compare who has done worse in their lives, both of which have NOTHING to do with the program. But to say Clarence Holmes belongs nowhere near our football players because of alimony is absurd. I imagine Holmes lives with guilt as well, who knows, but defending PS actions as 'dumb college kid' is just poor. And if Holmes was let go purely based on performance, Smeland and Saadat should've left first. RE won't let go of his boys, he just wants a scapegoat - typical weak leadership on his part, weaker than this post on youthful pranks.
Last edited 1/15/2013 8:07 PM by keco616
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Posted: 1/15/2013 4:41 PM
RE: Coaching changes. army.scout.com/2/1257530.html NT
National media coverage, state and federal investigations = skeleton *in the closet*?
Expect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
It is going to be hard.
And expect to win. |
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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:06 PM
Re: Waugh Moved. Payback?
Seriously doubt that an assistant's interest in a *head coaching position* would result in a change of his coaching responsibilities. Maybe his extensive experience as a WR coach had something to do with it.
Expect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
It is going to be hard.
And expect to win. |
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Posted: 1/15/2013 5:26 PM
Re: Waugh Moved. Payback?
BeatNavy wrote:
Seriously doubt that an assistant's interest in a *head coaching position* would result in a change of his coaching responsibilities. Maybe his extensive experience as a WR coach had something to do with it. What do wide receivers at WP do under RE? They block. Oh yeah, they also are humiliated by their head coach on national television who tells a reporter they can't catch. Keep The Faith and Keep On Swinging
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Posted: 1/15/2013 6:33 PM
Only Laird blocks. Effectively, that is. NT
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