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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:30 AM
Commit - DL Noah Allen
Expect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
It is going to be hard.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 3:18 PM
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Mr. Allen, if he decides on West Point will probably shrink to 5'10 and 210 pounds. Combine the inflated height and weight by some of these recruiting reports and the WP regimen, he will show up on the football practice field looking like he just stepped out of a revolving washing machine.  |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 5:21 PM
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RABBLE wrote: Mr. Allen, if he decides on West Point will probably shrink to 5'10 and 210 pounds.
Combine the inflated height and weight by some of these recruiting reports and the WP regimen, he will show up on the football practice field looking like he just stepped out of a revolving washing machine. He looks pretty good size standing next to Dawkins, who is not a little guy. Beast Barracks and plebe year do tend to take off any excess pounds, especially in the first few weeks, but most replace their baby fat with muscle at some point. I dropped to 165 during Beast and was invited to try out for 150 pound football, but never made weight and ended up boxing at 179. Didn't have a pound of extra weight when I was boxing and frequently ended up getting put in against heavyweights, who were easier to box than the light heavyweights because they were usually much slower. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:11 PM
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glarson65 wrote:
RABBLE wrote: Mr. Allen, if he decides on West Point will probably shrink to 5'10 and 210 pounds.
Combine the inflated height and weight by some of these recruiting reports and the WP regimen, he will show up on the football practice field looking like he just stepped out of a revolving washing machine. He looks pretty good size standing next to Dawkins, who is not a little guy. Beast Barracks and plebe year do tend to take off any excess pounds, especially in the first few weeks, but most replace their baby fat with muscle at some point. I dropped to 165 during Beast and was invited to try out for 150 pound football, but never made weight and ended up boxing at 179. Didn't have a pound of extra weight when I was boxing and frequently ended up getting put in against heavyweights, who were easier to box than the light heavyweights because they were usually much slower. Yes. Well I was recruited for football at WP in the late sixties when your average football fan could argue over whether army is a top ten football team (now they would argue over whether Army is a bottom ten football team). I was about 220-225 when I entered Beast. Could bench press 285 (free weights) and wore size 34 waist pants. After Beast, due to starvation and lack of exercise I was about 180 -185 and I could not do 200 lbs bench press on a universal machine. Bottom line: Army degrades athletes, but kids these days should know that, look at Army's record vs FBS teams!
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Posted: 12/26/2012 7:29 AM
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quark7 wrote:
glarson65 wrote:
RABBLE wrote: Mr. Allen, if he decides on West Point will probably shrink to 5'10 and 210 pounds.
Combine the inflated height and weight by some of these recruiting reports and the WP regimen, he will show up on the football practice field looking like he just stepped out of a revolving washing machine. He looks pretty good size standing next to Dawkins, who is not a little guy. Beast Barracks and plebe year do tend to take off any excess pounds, especially in the first few weeks, but most replace their baby fat with muscle at some point. I dropped to 165 during Beast and was invited to try out for 150 pound football, but never made weight and ended up boxing at 179. Didn't have a pound of extra weight when I was boxing and frequently ended up getting put in against heavyweights, who were easier to box than the light heavyweights because they were usually much slower. Yes. Well I was recruited for football at WP in the late sixties when your average football fan could argue over whether army is a top ten football team (now they would argue over whether Army is a bottom ten football team). I was about 220-225 when I entered Beast. Could bench press 285 (free weights) and wore size 34 waist pants. After Beast, due to starvation and lack of exercise I was about 180 -185 and I could not do 200 lbs bench press on a universal machine. Bottom line: Army degrades athletes, but kids these days should know that, look at Army's record vs FBS teams! And this is the 21st century. Unless someone is carrying about 40 pounds of fat on R-Day, they aren't losing 40 pounds during CBT. Expect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
It is going to be hard.
And expect to win. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 12:09 PM
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BeatNavy wrote:
quark7 wrote:
glarson65 wrote:
RABBLE wrote: Mr. Allen, if he decides on West Point will probably shrink to 5'10 and 210 pounds.
Combine the inflated height and weight by some of these recruiting reports and the WP regimen, he will show up on the football practice field looking like he just stepped out of a revolving washing machine. He looks pretty good size standing next to Dawkins, who is not a little guy. Beast Barracks and plebe year do tend to take off any excess pounds, especially in the first few weeks, but most replace their baby fat with muscle at some point. I dropped to 165 during Beast and was invited to try out for 150 pound football, but never made weight and ended up boxing at 179. Didn't have a pound of extra weight when I was boxing and frequently ended up getting put in against heavyweights, who were easier to box than the light heavyweights because they were usually much slower. Yes. Well I was recruited for football at WP in the late sixties when your average football fan could argue over whether army is a top ten football team (now they would argue over whether Army is a bottom ten football team). I was about 220-225 when I entered Beast. Could bench press 285 (free weights) and wore size 34 waist pants. After Beast, due to starvation and lack of exercise I was about 180 -185 and I could not do 200 lbs bench press on a universal machine. Bottom line: Army degrades athletes, but kids these days should know that, look at Army's record vs FBS teams! And this is the 21st century. Unless someone is carrying about 40 pounds of fat on R-Day, they aren't losing 40 pounds during CBT. BN makes good points.
Quark, did you experience food starvation or oxygen starvation of the brain? Keep The Faith and Keep On Swinging
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Posted: 12/26/2012 12:17 PM
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OlBarn wrote:
BeatNavy wrote:
quark7 wrote:
glarson65 wrote:
RABBLE wrote: Mr. Allen, if he decides on West Point will probably shrink to 5'10 and 210 pounds.
Combine the inflated height and weight by some of these recruiting reports and the WP regimen, he will show up on the football practice field looking like he just stepped out of a revolving washing machine. He looks pretty good size standing next to Dawkins, who is not a little guy. Beast Barracks and plebe year do tend to take off any excess pounds, especially in the first few weeks, but most replace their baby fat with muscle at some point. I dropped to 165 during Beast and was invited to try out for 150 pound football, but never made weight and ended up boxing at 179. Didn't have a pound of extra weight when I was boxing and frequently ended up getting put in against heavyweights, who were easier to box than the light heavyweights because they were usually much slower. Yes. Well I was recruited for football at WP in the late sixties when your average football fan could argue over whether army is a top ten football team (now they would argue over whether Army is a bottom ten football team). I was about 220-225 when I entered Beast. Could bench press 285 (free weights) and wore size 34 waist pants. After Beast, due to starvation and lack of exercise I was about 180 -185 and I could not do 200 lbs bench press on a universal machine. Bottom line: Army degrades athletes, but kids these days should know that, look at Army's record vs FBS teams! And this is the 21st century. Unless someone is carrying about 40 pounds of fat on R-Day, they aren't losing 40 pounds during CBT.
BN makes good points.
Quark, did you experience food starvation or oxygen starvation of the brain? Thank you, I stand corrected. Indeed, it took 21st century thinking at WP to arrive at the conclusion that starvation was bad for athletes. Really, someone at WP should publish a paper in a refereed journal on this discovery! Share it with the world.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 3:29 PM
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It is not uncommon that we arrive to examine things differently about almost everything 20 years after AF and Navy has accomplished the same thing. Bowl participation for one thing plus many other topics over the years. Why is the US Army always coming up last in thought and action? Is the Army section in the Pentagon getting proper ventilation? It appears that oxygen in the Department of the Army is in short supply and slowing us down.   |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 4:35 PM
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Huge weight loss during CBT stopped quite a long time before the 21st century.
Expect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
It is going to be hard.
And expect to win. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 5:00 PM
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BeatNavy wrote: Huge weight loss during CBT stopped quite a long time before the 21st century. Ok I'll bite. Maybe late 20th century? Maybe 1990s or later that they made this (large weight loss in Beast is bad for athletes) insightful discovery? Give it up BN, you're throwing them down the middle of the plate!
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:18 PM
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I'll say early '90s. We ate during Beast '90, but not "all you can eat." By Beast '93, TACs were actively monitoring New Cadet plates at the end of the meal to see how much they had eaten. Football players were on team tables all through Beast, so I'm not sure eating (or not eating) was the real problem for them. The bigger issue for weight loss was the all-day, 6.5 days per week of constant motion. Combined with no snack food, and voila, instant weight loss plan!
Beat 'em!
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Ok I'll bite. Maybe late 20th century? Maybe 1990s or later that they made this (large weight loss in Beast is bad for athletes) insightful discovery?
Give it up BN, you're throwing them down the middle of the plate!
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Posted: 12/27/2012 9:25 AM
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quark7 wrote:
BeatNavy wrote: Huge weight loss during CBT stopped quite a long time before the 21st century. Ok I'll bite. Maybe late 20th century? Maybe 1990s or later that they made this (large weight loss in Beast is bad for athletes) insightful discovery?
Give it up BN, you're throwing them down the middle of the plate! I'm throwing them down the middle? How about you comparing your late-1960s Beast experience with what happens now? As for it being insightful, it apparently was too obscure for those who trained you as well as for those who trained those who followed you over the next 20-ish years. Expect that this adventure is going to be difficult.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 11:33 AM
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BeatNavy wrote:
quark7 wrote:
BeatNavy wrote: Huge weight loss during CBT stopped quite a long time before the 21st century. Ok I'll bite. Maybe late 20th century? Maybe 1990s or later that they made this (large weight loss in Beast is bad for athletes) insightful discovery?
Give it up BN, you're throwing them down the middle of the plate! I'm throwing them down the middle? How about you comparing your late-1960s Beast experience with what happens now?
As for it being insightful, it apparently was too obscure for those who trained you as well as for those who trained those who followed you over the next 20-ish years. "Comparing our past experience with what happens now." Is just something old people do, in the hope that the present turns out better than the past. As for WP leadership being unable to grasp the obscure concept that starvation was bad for athletes for 20 or so years, I have no argument.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 1:29 PM
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Starvation is bad for anybody / everybody, not just athletes. Of course, perhaps you wrote that in the spirit of "every cadet an athlete."
Beat 'em!
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As for WP leadership being unable to grasp the obscure concept that starvation was bad for athletes for 20 or so years, I have no argument.
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Last edited 12/27/2012 1:29 PM by wp1994
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Posted: 12/27/2012 6:19 PM
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wp1994 wrote: Starvation is bad for anybody / everybody, not just athletes. Of course, perhaps you wrote that in the spirit of "every cadet an athlete."
Beat 'em!
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As for WP leadership being unable to grasp the obscure concept that starvation was bad for athletes for 20 or so years, I have no argument.
--------------------------------------------- You are correct sir. I admit to being focused on the effects it had on football players (mainly me). However, I did share a tube of toothpaste with my roomate (not a football player) during Beast. Bon Appetit!
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:29 AM
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quark7 wrote:
wp1994 wrote: Starvation is bad for anybody / everybody, not just athletes. Of course, perhaps you wrote that in the spirit of "every cadet an athlete."
Beat 'em!
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As for WP leadership being unable to grasp the obscure concept that starvation was bad for athletes for 20 or so years, I have no argument.
--------------------------------------------- You are correct sir. I admit to being focused on the effects it had on football players (mainly me). So you are using this forum to whine. You would of been a great football star if only the school you chose to go to would of treated you better. Sniff, sniff. 
Keep The Faith and Keep On Swinging
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:47 AM
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OlBarn wrote:
quark7 wrote:
wp1994 wrote: Starvation is bad for anybody / everybody, not just athletes. Of course, perhaps you wrote that in the spirit of "every cadet an athlete."
Beat 'em!
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--- quark7 wrote:
As for WP leadership being unable to grasp the obscure concept that starvation was bad for athletes for 20 or so years, I have no argument.
--------------------------------------------- You are correct sir. I admit to being focused on the effects it had on football players (mainly me).
So you are using this forum to whine. You would of been a great football star if only the school you chose to go to would of treated you better. Sniff, sniff.
"A great football star" LOL! hardly! Certainly my teamates and I would have been better football players with good diet and exercise. Better Army football players translates to more Army victories. If past WP administrations had only instituted what many high schools were doing in the seventies (weightlifting) along with access to food, Army football would not be enjoying its current reputation as a national joke. Lest one think that last remark too harsh, it was during BR's tenure as Army HC that Lou Holtz was asked on college football today who he though would win the A-N game. Lou said "I'm picking Navy because they're playing Army" and brought the house down. All football programs go through sub-par periods, but it takes decades of losing to be the butt of a joke on TV and past WP administrations greatly contributed to this sad state of affairs for Army football.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:01 PM
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Yeah. Typical Lou Holtz. Him making jokes about Army Football!
If that guy had the recruiting unlevel playing field at ND and elsewhere like we have at WP, nobody would have ever heard of him.
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