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mostly non-football schools reportedly will leave the Big East by this weekend. They are: St.John's, Villanova, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul and Georgetown (DivII football). They've been angry since the BE began expanding for football without much attention to their needs.
      It's possible the football-playing schools will try to keep the conference going, but they will lose the TV revenue the bball schools would have earned, so the conference may just dissolve. 
      The schools leaving would like to keep the Big East designation so litigation is possible.

I suggested that possibility earlier this year.  The basketball only schools represent the original Big East, and they generate a lot of revenue just from basketball; so I've been wondering whether they were enamored with all the jockeying by the football side of the house.  Seems that they weren't all that happy.

The Big East name is considerably more appropriate for the basketball side than it is for the football side of the conference, and I'd be willing to bet they get the rights to the name.   

Georgetown and Villanova are FCS level in football, not Div II.  I don't think you can be Div 1 in one sport and Div II in another, but I could be wrong about that.  I think the Div 1 and 2 rankings apply to the school program as a whole.

I heard some announcer the other nite (it could have been when watching St. Joe vs Villanova), that the BE basketball schools might join the A-10 expanding that conference.   One mentioned ,however, that a couple of the schools to include LaSalle have small gyms.  I'm thinking LaSalle could work out something with Penn and use the Palestra.   It would be one hell of a BB conference.

Well, if that happens goodbye Big East. No loss for us. No action is good action.

I thought that GTown was part of the patriot league in football

Yes finished 4-5 overall and 2-something in the patriot league.. glad i checked my facts before i posted the original thought. um that gives me something to complain about. Glad I didn't post that they were Div II

This move will definitely have an impact on Army....

Here's how

The seven Catholics want the Big East name and will get it. They will take similar type schools out of the Atlantic 10, my guess is Dayton, St. Joseph's, Xavier, St. Louis and, perhaps, Fordham, though Fordham sucks and St. John's probably does not want competition in NYC so the Rams and Manhattan could be out...They want a 12 team basketball conference...another to be looked at has to be St. Bonaventure. Whatever, this is going to be a very good basketball conference. 

Now, the rest of the teams are gonzo....SMU, Boise St., San Diego St., Houston, Memphis, Tulane and East Carolina have no where to go but back to their old conferences. UCONN, Cincy, Temple and the two florida schools will be looking for a place to go....my guess is that they beg Navy and Army to join with them.....BTW, I am now certain that Navy will back out of the BE very soon....

Bottom line: This a one big mess for these football teams

Let's hope they all go independent. Enough with these silly conferences. (I know, it's all about money)

NT

Or, do we have a new conference band wagon to hop on???  SEC?  Big 12?  Pac 12?  MWC?  Sun Belt?

Given the current state of our program, IMHO Army is foolish to join any conference.  Remain independent.  With proper leadership, Army can compete.  Focus needs to be on post-RE years, not a conference.  Of course, post-RE years likely later than sooner.

SMU, Boise St., San Diego St., Houston, Memphis, Tulane and East Carolina have no where to go but back to their old conferences. UCONN, Cincy, Temple and the two florida schools will be looking for a place to go....my guess is that they beg Navy and Army to join with them...


I wouldn't have any problem with Army joining such a conference. We'd rarely if ever have a shot at winning it, but we could definitely stay competitive against most of those teams. As bad as we were this season we would have likely beaten Memphis, Tulane, and the FAU/FIU duo. Instead of trolling the MAC for easy wins (which is a strategy that has utterly exploded in our face recently), why not schedule these better-known schools? Even if we keep losing, I'd much rather take road trips to New Orleans, San Diego, or Boca Raton than Muncie, Kent, or Ypsilanti.

How does it shake out for Navy in this mess?

If the football part of the Big East falls apart and Navy is free it would not shock me to see another conference trying to grab them and maybe also Army. I think IF the ACC offered Navy a spot in football only they may jump at the chance. I still doubt even if for football only and if they could keep all the A/N game $ that Army would make the move.

I agree with others here that Army needs to fix in house problems ( getting rid of RE) before the program can take a step in the right direction. Sadly I doubt even a 0-12 season in 2013 will see RE lose his job. Right now to me the Army program seems hopeless for 2013 and past with the same people in charge. I do not know how anyone here would think the team will finish with the same ( 2 wins) or better in 2013 after the bad play and coaching and mistakes we have seen for 2 years.

If we won 2 games without playing in a conference, how can anyone say we would do better in a conference?

We have quite a few issues to contend with next season. One of course is not thinking about joining anything until we at least look like we can beat some of these teams we play.

an able AD and I trust his judgment far more than ours.

i agree....we need to go with Navy

Perhaps Navy's AD is very capable----I won't argue that either way.

But a strong case could be made that he leaned his school in the direction of a sinking ship.  Many predicted the demise of the Big East long before it happened and yet he was headed in that direction.

Not much to commend there.

Following Navy annoys me. Why should we follow Navy in what they do?
Its about time Army follows what Army thinks and not what our top rival thinks.
Let Navy go their way. No action in this ridiculous situation of conference realignment is the way to go.
KEEP YOUR OPTIONS OPEN in this situation. I don't think the dust will ever settle with everybody chasing the money and going nowhere. I believe by staying put, assessing the changes as they occur and stop worring we will be left out.
We won't be left out. Army is still and always will be a brand name and would be welcomed anywhere at any time either because of a big city market team that we are or if we don't improve, the patsey to beat up upon almost any game.
Right now we improve the program so we won't be that patsey and still when all is said and done we will still have a brand name because whether we think it or not, we are still a big city team and would be if the administration taked enough time to bring the brand around.
The problem for me is if the brass WANTS to improve the product.
Right now, I don't think they care much at all one way or the other and are obviously satisfied with the present status quo.

I may be wrong ,but if you asked BC and Houston, I believe, I don't think you'd find many admirers of Navy's AD.