championship game, Tulsa vs Central Florida from 12-3PM. Now there's a huge ratings draw. I'm not surprised that Army AD agreed to push back the game, but am disappointed that Navy's Gladchuck didn't fight it. 
      It's annoying to hear one announcer after another on ESPN, FoxSports and other outlets say that the regular season ends Saturday. A-N is thus, being shoved into irrelevancy even in the early stages of our program's decline and demise. Maybe Navy doesn't care because once they join the BigEast or another conference after next year, A-N will have to move to earlier in the schedule so as not to conflict with their conference's championship game.

How much media attention do you think A/N would get on the same day as the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, and ACC championship games? We would be the 5th biggest story of the day.

On December 8 we're the ONLY game of the day, and we got a 3pm time slot which is preferable to the 12pm slot. There's a reason the SEC always gets a 330pm/4pm slot for its big games.

dont forget about the FCS games that day

plain wrote:  A-N will have to move to earlier in the schedule so as not to conflict with their conference's championship game.

So you've been told the date of the 2015 BE Championship Game?  And it falls on the same day as the 2015 Army-Navy Game/

BeatNavy wrote:

plain wrote:  A-N will have to move to earlier in the schedule so as not to conflict with their conference's championship game.

So you've been told the date of the 2015 BE Championship Game?  And it falls on the same day as the 2015 Army-Navy Game/

With Rutgers leaving the conference and UConn or Louisville likely to follow suit, the Big East may not have enough teams to meet the 12 team minimum required to have a conference championship.  If Boise State and San Diego State reconsider their options and return to the MWC, it will be tough for the Big East to meet the minimums without further diluting the level of competition and marginalizing the conference even more than it already has.

If Army changed its mind and opted to join the Big East, and they somehow managed to scrape together enough teams to qualify for a championship game, we'd have to schedule the Army Navy game before the BE championship, and the game would be in danger of being marginalized as just another conference game in a conference that's becoming less significant every year.  

The MAC now has 2 teams in the Top 25 compared to the Big East's zero.

glarson65 wrote:

  If Boise State and San Diego State reconsider their options and return to the MWC

That's highly unlikely, seeing how the MWC doesn't have a TV deal at all.

04USNA0302 wrote:

glarson65 wrote:

  If Boise State and San Diego State reconsider their options and return to the MWC

That's highly unlikely, seeing how the MWC doesn't have a TV deal at all.

Not true, according to this and other articles I've seen:

http://blogs.rgj.com/packblog/...o-tv-contracts/

It's true that one of the big reasons that Boise State and SDSU left the MWC to join the Big East was that they were anticipating an increase in TV revenue from the $1 million per team that they were getting in the MWC, but they may have acted prematurely.  At this point it's the Big East that doesn't have any contract, and with Rutgers gone, they may get a lot less than they anticipated, especially if UConn departs as well, putting a huge dent in their New York market, which is bound to effect how much ESPN will be offering for the TV rights.   

Another factor that comes into play is that the MWC and Big East teams will now have an equal share in the BCS revenue when the new format comes into effect in 2014.  Up until now, the BE has had a bigger share due to their BCS AQ status.  When SDSU and Boise State made their initial decision, they were probably counting on the Big East getting a larger share of that pot. Under the new deal, the five "Group of Five" conferences will split approximately 20% of the BCS TV revenue.  

The amount of money any school gets in a given year will also depend on which conference wins the birth in a BCS game reserved for one of the Group of Five.  If Boise State were to decide that they have a better chance of earning the BCS bid playing in the MWC rather than the Big East, that will have an influence.  If the 2014 rules were in effect this year, it would be one of the MAC teams that gets the bid and the MAC would get the bigger share of the BCS TV revenue.

SEC game is at 4PM on CBS, which would have followed our game had it been scheduled for Saturday.
       BigTen game is at 8PM on Fox
       ACC game is on ABC at 8PM.
      
       Only game opposite the Noon slot is C-USA's Tulsa-Central Florida game which may draw some attention in South Florida and Oklahoma, but that's it. No matter how bad we are, I guarantee Army-Navy wuld swamp that one throughout the country.
       I don't know what you mean by media attention, but playing on the 8th won't materially increase newspaper coverage over that on afforded on the 1st. In fact,the BigTen and ACC games will end too late to be included in next Sunday's early editions. ESPN won't give us much attention whenever the game is played.
      To anyone who doubts that Army football is headed for the crapper, just consider the attitudes of many posters here. They are grateful for any crumbs TV provides, and think we should jump and play on whatever day of the week and at any time ESPN or CBS wants.
      The YES network carried the full Yale schedule this fall with the games starting at 1PM. The Steinbrenner family has always had a relationship with WP and often has the USMA Band, Cadet Glee Club or Color Guard participate in their ceremonies. I'm sure they would rather carry our schedule, including Army-Navy. Their payout would be less than that of CBS, but I've always believed that figure is much smaller than some posters believe anyway.

Didn't Fox just complete a deal to get some 80% of Yes ? Don't think the Steinbrenner family will have much say

Some financial questions:

1) I have to believe that Navy has an OUT of the BE deal if the league loses too many other teams. With Rutgers  gone and UCONN on its way, I would beleive that the Middies can get out of the deal with no or little penalty if they want. The question is whether Navy wants out at this point. 

2) I posted that it appears that Army is not getting any BCS money under the new deal since we are not in a league and not ND.....Can anyone prove or disprove this? If this is true---and WP does nothing to fix it--Army is really in big trouble financially.

3) I believe that A/N agreed to move the game because of money. I think the deal would not have worked if they insisted on keeping the game a week earlier. And, yes, as someone else posted, even this game has become irrelevant in a sea of irrelevancy for our program. 

4) One of the biggest losers in the realignment craze is WP, but who would expect otherwise....

plain, how many west coast eyeballs do you think we'd get for a noon (i.e. 9am west coast) kickoff as opposed to a 3pm (noon west coast) kickoff? Like I said, there's a reason the 330pm time slot is the coveted one on normal Saturdays on CBS, and that's even with most SEC teams being located in the eastern time zone.

And yes, playing on a day in which there are no other games will significantly increase the coverage we get on SportsCenter and other highlight shows. Like I said, on December 1 we'd be at best the 5th biggest game in their eyes.

And if you want to talk eyeballs, what kind of national reach does YES have? I don't even get it in Boston.

palidog wrote: Some financial questions:

1) I have to believe that Navy has an OUT of the BE deal if the league loses too many other teams. With Rutgers  gone and UCONN on its way, I would beleive that the Middies can get out of the deal with no or little penalty if they want. The question is whether Navy wants out at this point. 

2) I posted that it appears that Army is not getting any BCS money under the new deal since we are not in a league and not ND.....Can anyone prove or disprove this? If this is true---and WP does nothing to fix it--Army is really in big trouble financially.

3) I believe that A/N agreed to move the game because of money. I think the deal would not have worked if they insisted on keeping the game a week earlier. And, yes, as someone else posted, even this game has become irrelevant in a sea of irrelevancy for our program. 

4) One of the biggest losers in the realignment craze is WP, but who would expect otherwise....

1.  I'm fairly certain that Navy had some contingencies in their agreement that would allow them to withdraw from the BE without penalty.  I believe that the AD referred to them in a recent press release. 

2. The independents (other than ND) currently receive $100k in BCS television revenue.  I read an article recently which said that amount would be increased to $200K with the new format.  Can't find the source, but I believe that it was a BYU site. 

3. I believe you're correct in saying that the A/N game has been scheduled later to boost television ratings and thus revenue.  I believe that CBS and the SAs arrived at that decision several seasons ago. 

4. With Rutgers departure from the BE and the probable departure of Louisville or UConn, the Big East needs another team to qualify for a conference championship game even if Navy joins the conference.  Army has not lost any bargaining power, and may have even more than before.  No harm in waiting to see what shakes out before jumping on that bandwagon.  The dust has not settled yet.  The rumor mill has Boise State and SDSU in discussions with the MWC about rejoining the conference in light of Rutgers departure from the Big East.

http://www.sbnation.com/colleg...nce-realignment

complaints from the west coast. Remember there hasn't even been an NFL L.A: franchise for years, and I'mm not sure many west coasters have even noticed. 
       We'd have had a virtual football monopoly next Saturday at Noon and received sufficient media attention. As I wrote, the next earliest game will be at 4PM, and the two prime time games won''t end to make it into early Sunday editions.
        If Navy joins the BE as expected A-N will have to be moved earlier in the schedule not later, so chances are it will be played in the Noon slot. No biggie.
        The only problem with a Noon start is the march-ons will be sparsely attended, but if meant much to attendees they'd make it their business to get there in time. It sure seems WP grads on this forum mare paraded-out and don't care much.

Ok, so if the noon time slot is so great why didn't we request it for December 8?

The lack of an NFL team in LA is irrelevant. Both Army and Navy have grads scattered all over the country and plenty who are still on active duty on west coast and Hawaii bases, so a later kickoff makes things better for them without doing anything to hurt east coasters who want to watch.

Again, there's a reason SEC teams prefer the 330pm kickoffs on CBS.

As far as YES network it is only seen national IF you have Direct and have the sports package. That is how I can view YES programming (other then Yankee games) here in Texas. I have the MLB package so I see the Yankee games here anyway if I wish.

Also the YES deal with the parent company that owns FOX (media Corp.) is for 49% ownership. So the Yanks with 51% ownership still have control.

The CBS deal we have is better as far as games being seen Nationally then anything YES could offer.

giant110 wrote:
Also the YES deal with the parent company that owns FOX (media Corp.) is for 49% ownership. So the Yanks with 51% ownership still have control.

The CBS deal we have is better as far as games being seen Nationally then anything YES could offer.

But News Corp (Fox) has an option to increase ownership to 80% after 3 years.

I say we move A-N back to the Thanksgiving Weekend...more chance to get eyes on the game then, and the 'tradition' can pull many folks along.  Hell, IIRC, the whole 'Black Friday' term originated in Philly, due to the big influx of fans coming in for the A-N game after Turkey Day....

Other than those who have strong ties to the other rivalry schools, I see no difference in putting Army-Navy back on a weekend that matters.  People WILL watch, and the stands will still be full.  Even better, the game will 'count'.

Plain, you're dating yourself with your reference to the early Sunday editions. In this online world, which you're clearly familiar with, nobody cares about early print versions of newspapers. Who really reads a printed paper to get scores anyway?

Bottom line in my mind is that no matter what they do with the DTG for the game, some grop/constituency will gripe about it. Sme of them the academies care about more (media) than others (cadets). Nothing new about that.

Beat 'em!

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--- plain wrote:

       We'd have had a virtual football monopoly next Saturday at Noon and received sufficient media attention. As I wrote, the next earliest game will be at 4PM, and the two prime time games won''t end to make it into early Sunday editions.

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fans from watching. LOL.