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Say what you will about Coach E
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Posted: 11/10/2012 1:27 PM
Say what you will about Coach E
But again it is the lack of execution on the field.
Yet another fumble by Steelman inside the opponents 20.
A dropped touchdown pass.
Missed/blocked field goal.
Defense is playing very well.
This team was in position to be leading the 23rd ranked team 24-7 at half.
So %}#%^!? frustrating. This program just can't completely turn the corner.
I hope I'm wrong. Really wrong. But damn it's frustrating.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 1:31 PM
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Agree but plain nailed it. RE is soooo passive. To not use your last timeout to allow replay booth to take an extra look is mind boggling. This is after JJ was hit late out of bounds in same quarter. --------------------------------------------- --- RedPassFLot wrote:
But again it is the lack of execution on the field.
Yet another fumble by Steelman inside the opponents 20.
A dropped touchdown pass.
Missed/blocked field goal.
Defense is playing very well.
This team was in position to be leading the 23rd ranked team 24-7 at half.
So %}#%^!? frustrating. This program just can't completely turn the corner.
I hope I'm wrong. Really wrong. But damn it's frustrating.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 1:33 PM
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Have to agree. Good game plan. Defense has been improving tremendously (not saying they're good)
Only mistake was not challenging. Any other setbacks were execution errors on the field.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 1:36 PM
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The guy is coaching a great game. Rutgers has a couple guys who are some of the top recruits in the nation. Army has guys that couldn't start for Rutgers and yet, we're outplaying them. What more do you want? I get it, we didn't play a perfect first half. But let's be realistic, Rutgers was a huge favorite for a reason and we should be winning right now if not for a dropped ball and a single bad decision not to challenge.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 1:40 PM
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The guy is coaching a great game. Rutgers has a couple guys who are some of the top recruits in the nation. Army has guys that couldn't start for Rutgers and yet, we're outplaying them. What more do you want? I get it, we didn't play a perfect first half. But let's be realistic, Rutgers was a huge favorite for a reason and we should be winning right now if not for a dropped ball and a single bad decision not to challenge.
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Don't forget a fumble when we were well on our way to a TD!
Beat 'em!
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Posted: 11/10/2012 1:41 PM
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There should not have been a reason to challenge. That was an easy catch and secure. Ughhhhhhhhh
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Posted: 11/10/2012 4:10 PM
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I guess he should have coached them not to fumble in the Red Zone. I bet he forgot to do that this week. Maybe even ran out of time in practice & decided not to worry about it.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 4:35 PM
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The Coaches didn't lose this game. Two fumbles in Red Zone......and a TD that should have been.
We Beat Temple and Navy.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:34 PM
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until the last two drives in the fourth quarter, my 15 year old son was calling just about every Army play successfully, including which way the play was going....he did the same thing, while at the the Northern Illinois game.....RE has no vision....we are 2-7....do something different....geez...
also go for it on fourth instead of kicking....we all know that our kicker is inconsistent....geez
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Posted: 11/10/2012 7:46 PM
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Actually, I think Army is improving, and we/Navy will have our hands full. Army was in the game until the last quarter or so. And, let's face it Rutgers is a better team. All athletes will tell you that you need to learn how to win. I think Army is on the right track. Is RE the right coach? Probably not. But maybe the kids are figuring out how to win in spite of him.
What I do know is that the players gave it their all today.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 8:01 PM
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mnagy wrote: Actually, I think Army is improving, and we/Navy will have our hands full. Army was in the game until the last quarter or so. And, let's face it Rutgers is a better team. All athletes will tell you that you need to learn how to win. I think Army is on the right track. Is RE the right coach? Probably not. But maybe the kids are figuring out how to win in spite of him.
What I do know is that the players gave it their all today. Actually, we were tied 7-7 with 8 minutes left to go in the game despite our turnovers. While we shot ourselves in the foot a few times on special teams, overall I was impressed with the team performance against a very good FBS team. We played far better than I expected, especially on defense. This defense has come a long way in a very short time, and if you're going to blame coaches for all the failures, you also have to give them credit for the turnaround in that department. The defense in the last two games doesn't look anything like the one that gave up 40 points each of the first three.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 10:17 PM
palidog, actually 2-8, soon to be 2-10. NT
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Posted: 11/10/2012 10:25 PM
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At the end of the day you can't fire the players, but you can fire the coach and he needs to be fired. No more excuses for him, he is in year four and the program is not getting better. Last week proved how good this team could be, but somehow today we out played Rutgers for the majority of the game and still found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 10:42 PM
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No way you can pin this one on the coaching staff. No way. Our offense looked like a machine for most of the game. Palidog - unimaginative? Who cares? We were running through them. Obviously, mistakes cost us a game we could have won. But coaching? C'mon. Maybe RE should have pulled our long snapper aside and said... "Hey, by the way, don't snap the ball over the punter's head. If you do, I'm going to throw a tantrum." Or... he should have reminded our QB, who was an absolute stud for most of the day, "Hey - we're in the red zone. Don't fumble." Geez that's brilliant. If only RE had thought of those things, that game was ours. Or maybe if RE just showed more emotion on the sidelines (as some of you insist he should), then our receiver doesn't drop a TD pass. I am not an RE apologist - but give it a rest. I'm as frustrated as anybody about the way the season has gone. But to blame this one on the coaches is just lunacy. In the last 15 years, has anybody seen an Army offense as effective as it has been lately? I haven't. When TB and SB were coaching, the majority of us were screaming for an option offense - one that could control the clock, and roll down the field with precision. We wanted a mobile, smart QB. We wanted some outside running threats. We wanted some 'no quit' offensive linemen who could get people on the ground. And we wanted a powerful fullback who could move the pile. Guess what? We have all of that. And we beat the hell out of one of our main rivals last week.
We made some mistakes today. And yes, it happens way too often. But it wasn't the coach today.
Boys - you have a good shot to win these last two games. Forget about this one, forget about the 'know-it-alls' on this board. Some of us have faith that you will get it done, and bring the CIC home. Beat Navy!
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Posted: 11/10/2012 11:01 PM
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The O-line was not the problem with the previous staffs. Check the numbers brother. Again, you can't fire the players and the coach IS responsible for what this team does and does not accomplish. I have said it before, I bet that RE didn't send Bobby Ross or Stan Brock a thank you note when he won a bowl game with his players. This program has gotten worse since the bowl game. The only wins I would say were upsets were Northwestern and AF. gomoose90 wrote: We wanted some 'no quit' offensive linemen who could get people on the ground.
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Posted: 11/10/2012 11:05 PM
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Sorry - that bowl season offense was not even close to the one we have this year. Didn't mean to imply that the O-Line has been the big problem. Just trying to give kudos to the guys this year.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:40 AM
Re: Say what you will about Coach E
armytackle7808 wrote:The O-line was not the problem with the previous staffs. Check the numbers brother. ...gomoose90 wrote: We wanted some 'no quit' offensive linemen who could get people on the ground. LOL! Sounds like a comment struck a little close to home - eh? Certainly the "big uglies" were never the problem for Army in the previous decade - just couldn't find anyone who could run or pass behind those behemouths. Yeah, OK.
"a nation allowing a chasm between its educated and warriors becomes a nation whose thinking is done by cowards and fighting done by fools"
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Posted: 11/11/2012 12:55 PM
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The first three games of the season, the big complaint was that we were scoring 40 points a game but had the worst defense in the country, and I agreed with the argument that the coaches were to blame for that. The last two games, the defense has performed exceptionally well against two good opponents. The coaches were blamed for the poor performance of the defense at the beginning of the season, but aren't being given credit for the turnaround. Some claimed that our guys are just too small to compete effectively against the big guys, arguing that the only reason we did well against AF was that we were playing guys our size. The detractors argued that the big guys from Rutgers and Temple would run all over us. Didn't happen! Our defense held Rutgers to 130 yards rushing. Only Syracuse and Kent State held RU to less. Our defense held RU to 252 yards total offense, and only Syracuse has done better against Rutgers this year, holding them to 237.
If you blame the coaching staff for the poor showing of the defense at the start of the season, you have to give them credit for the turnaround as well. Ellerson has shown that he can produce a good defense without the 300 pounders that so many people thought we needed.
For three quarters we held RU to a standstill on the scoreboard and outplayed the bigger team in most other respects (we were clearly outplayed in special teams). Many on this forum predicted that it would be a Rutgers blowout no matter how well we played, because Rutgers was just bigger and better than we are. There was no blowout by a superior team. Rutgers came into the game with a rush defense that was holding opponents to a measly 88 yards per game. Our offense performed below its average, which was to be expected, but still gained three times the average of Rutgers other opponents on the ground, and did as well or better on total offense as all but Syracuse of RUs Big East opponents.
I am frustrated by our inability to turn superior performance into Ws just as others are on this site, but our offense has proven itself quite capable of running effectively against some top FBS teams, and our defense has improved enough to be competitive with a lot of better teams now as well. We're getting better on keeping the penalties down, which is one of the best indicators of disciplined football. When we manage to keep the ball off the ground, we can win against some of the better teams in the country. I'm with those who don't put the blame on the coaching staff for this loss. In fact, I would congratulate them for turning this into a more interesting game than I expected it would be.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:17 PM
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I don't get some of these post. The game plan was solid and the team was in the game 7-7 in the fourth quarter. It's not on the coaching that guys fumble, drop a TD pass (although it probably was a TD)and the short snapper who has to replace the injuried loing snapper makes a poor snap or that the kicker hit two kicks low against a team known for blocking FGA. Guys have to be responsible and do their jobs. It's one of the problems fielding such a young team playing so many plebes or first year starters.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 4:10 PM
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