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Posted: 11/13/2012 2:09 PM

2009 Prep team 


My son started for this team. Naturally I watched him play every game, 3 things... 1. I thought the team was very aggressive, athletic and balanced. 2. I thought the (prep school) coaching was horrific. 3. The conference they played in was the best jr college conference in the nation... the 2007 and 2008 national champs came from this conference. The 2009 team I believe went 7-3. Does anyone realize that 99% of that team is no longer here and most are playing for other teams. My point? We loved the academy, hated to leave but the coaching staff ran off these players. I witnessed a ton of Miss management, some in person. This would have been our year... this and next.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 3:45 PM

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This is one of the problems I see as a grad.

I want leaders to come to USAFA, and participate as football players and college athletes.

We don't need football players, with goals of playing in the NFL, nor becoming coaches.

IMO, we have gotten away from that premise.

My point is, the decision to stay or go rests solely with the individual. It seems you are more disappointed than your son. I also don't know the feeling of getting run off while attempting to accomplish my goals. Sounds very shortsighted.

I wish your son well in his career after football is over.

Stalagian, would you add some wisdom?

Posted: 11/13/2012 4:04 PM

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Practicing and playing football plus keeping up with hard academics, plus doing military training equals not enough time in the day to do all three well. Part of me thinks that during recruiting we should do a better job explaining what this life will be like and then the other part of me thinks that if we did that, we wouldn't get any recruits. Also explains why we aren't limited to 28 scholarships per year like all other D-1 schools. If accurate the 99% figure is unbelieveable.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 4:36 PM

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I can understand a majority of Preppies not making a big contribution at the Varsity Level.
Between  Increased Competition on the field, Academic and Military requirements, and Injuries a recruiting class can get whittled down pretty quick. 

But I don't believe the Coaches run off players.  The only way coaches run off players is by letting them languish on the bottom of the depth chart, or putting them in the wrong position.  But all coaches really really really want their players to succeed. They work very hard to spot potential and develop talent. They are passionate about it and their livelihoods depend on it.  

There might be 1 or 2 players per year that are discouraged and quit due to Coaching mis-management. Maybe even 4 or 5 will claim a coach ran them off.  But the vast majority of the players who leave the program due so for other reasons.

Posted: 11/13/2012 5:47 PM

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Substantiate this with something...  would love to hear your take.


zek81012 wrote: My son started for this team. Naturally I watched him play every game, 3 things... 1. I thought the team was very aggressive, athletic and balanced. 2. I thought the (prep school) coaching was horrific. 3. The conference they played in was the best jr college conference in the nation... the 2007 and 2008 national champs came from this conference. The 2009 team I believe went 7-3. Does anyone realize that 99% of that team is no longer here and most are playing for other teams. My point? We loved the academy, hated to leave but the coaching staff ran off these players. I witnessed a ton of Miss management, some in person. This would have been our year... this and next.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 6:01 PM

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Let me reply to all of the above at the same time. I don't want to get into saying neg things about the AFA or the football program. I have many more good things to say then bad. With that being said let me clarify something. Some prep team players are still at the AFA, 99% that played for the prep team don't play football for the AFA today... my point being that this was a great group that beat good teams in their first year with a poor at best group of coaches.

This team, would be there now, playing, but 99% are not playing for the AFA for what ever reason. There are a hundred ways for coaches to run off players with out knowing that they are running them off. Does that make sense?... M2 you are a little presumptuous in your writings, so let me say this and no more, the AFA came to my son and sat down in my living room and asked my son to play for them. We did not go to them. I won't get into the rest but please keep that in mind when you talk about shortsighted.

If we could get back to the point of my post... The coaches said over and over to the 09 group that they were very special and could not wait to get them up there. This is the group that would be starting now and maybe winning 8 or 9 games maybe more, they looked really good to me. What happened... that all but 1 or 2 left. Fact, someone failed badly then and the record shows it today, my point. I wish it would have worked out for my son but I know he is glad it didn't, so I'm happy for him. Take from it what you want.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 6:12 PM

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TBang I'll give you one of many. A player that I talked with that was really into lifting, getting stronger and gaining weight this kid was dead serious about it. After two years in the weight room and two years of football he was 12 pounds lighter then when he left HS. He told me, "The weight program is like my moms aerobic class, I can't even break a sweat."

Last edited 11/13/2012 6:15 PM by zek81012

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Posted: 11/13/2012 6:41 PM

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OK, let's step back, take a look at the roster, and see how many Firsties (they're not seniors, they're Firsties BTW) are on the team and went to the prep school.  My guess is that we have more than one, but I'll leave it to others to check.  Assuming only about 50 graduated from the P-school as recruited FB players (and probably less), I presume that more than 1/2 of a player is there (I'm a numbers guy and taking away 99% from 50 leaves you with 1/2 of a player).

Give us some names and tell us where they're playing now.  Just a few would do.  Any on the pre-season all-america lists?  Starting at BCS schools?

If what you claim is 50% true (meaning we have no more than one full 09 P-school graduate playing at USAFA), then the conclusion I would come to as a grad and close observer of Falcon Athletics is that the coaches need to FIRST look closer at whom they are recruiting.  They're targeting the wrong players for the wrong reasons.  As stated before, if the coach of ANY sport at USAFA doesn't state first and foremost that, upon graduation, you will be expected to serve in the military, and that while you're a cadet you'll have to adhere to certain standards and complete certain programs (academic and otherwise), then they're making a mistake.  On the recruit/parent side, given that there's this thing called the In-Ter-Net, a simple search and about 5 minutes of reading big words will tell you that there's a big difference between life at USAFA and life at Florida State.  Ignorance of this fact is no excuse.

We routinely beat up on people here who claim that 'The Second Coming' is on his way to USAFA--we ask what their SAT scores are because we give a damn.  It does matter here.  Heck, my bro lost 30 pounds during BCT and took his whole doolie year to recover before starting EVERY game for the next three years.  That happens at USAFA.  And, by the way, he excelled in a few other ways, too, and went on to serve 20 years flying lawn darts, earning an MS in Engr, teaching at USAFA, and lots of other cool stuff.

Look at one of our most successful programs at USAFA--ice hockey.  They're doing things right, retaining quality cadets, and convincing them that their service after hockey matters.  We give our "Jabara Award" every year to the grad who's most distinguished themselves in flight.  The winner the last two years?  Both are former HOCKEY PLAYERS who also happened to major in Astronautical Engineering as cadets and are now in Strike Eagles.  Bring us more of them--on skates, in pads, with spikes, gloves, bats, sticks, etc.  If that's not your goal by the time you've spent a year or two at USAFA, then I won't regret your departure.

Dismount.

Last edited 11/13/2012 6:44 PM by 81Stalagian

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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:22 PM

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There are a considerable amount of factors involved in "gaining weight" so without all the facts on the "kid" I'll take his input with a big grain of salt.  Knowing current and former players from the TC era, I can say that there are more than a few who benefited enormously from the program Strength/Conditioning Coach Matt McGettigan has established:

http://bleacherreport.com/arti...-to-stop/page/6

His credentials and the facilities are second to none:

http://www.goairforcefalcons.com/sports/m-footbl/m tt/mcgettigan_matt00.html

http://www.goairforcefalcons.c...eight-room.html

Not everything is perfect in the P-School program or the AF program for every "kid", but the results speak for themselves and you comment that the kids did it on their own to earn that outstanding record for the Huskies is amusing.  TC's record speaks for itself, his Strength/Conditioning coach has set up a system his HC wants in place and it works for the majority of players. Gaining and maintaining weight at the SA's has never been easy, but the players certainly greater access to assets that they can use to put on those good pounds now than they did before TC took over.

Mike





zek81012 wrote: TBang I'll give you one of many. A player that I talked with that was really into lifting, getting stronger and gaining weight this kid was dead serious about it. After two years in the weight room and two years of football he was 12 pounds lighter then when he left HS. He told me, "The weight program is like my moms aerobic class, I can't even break a sweat."

Last edited 11/13/2012 7:23 PM by thuddriverson

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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:31 PM

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As usual, you guys are getting WAY too sensitive. Rather than shoot the messenger may I suggest you simply look at your roster and see how many prep school Seniors are on it. If there are a bunch then the Dad is overstating his case. If there are are 3-4 then maybe he's right. He very clearly said he and his kid love the Academy, but that the Prep School coaches drove them away. Run the #'s.......the truth will become obvious.rolleyes
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