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CSU 79 - AF 40

Posted: 1/16/2013 7:34 PM

CSU 79 - AF 40 


We need to tighten up this first half against CSU....and take this game in the next half...Go Air Force

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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:12 PM

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Ugly loss up at CSU....more in the morning....ouch in CAPITAL LETTERS...OUCH

GO FALCONS

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Posted: 1/16/2013 11:13 PM

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What was that?
I know that T.B. has been battling the flu and hope he gets better... SOON.
I listened on the radio like I always do and was beside myself...

Sad, after the close UNLV OT game.

wow.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 1:20 AM

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There are plenty of guard heavy teams that make runs. If doubling the opponents bigs is not working, then DO SOMETHING ELSE. Okay, TB is not him self......but even when he is, he is not the type of player to back a defender down, dunk on them, and run back down the court looking ugly.....(dennis rodman referring to shaquille oneil).....we really need to have this guard heavy team find a way (unfortunately within the princeton), to make this work. THEY WILL HAVE TO SHOOT WITH CONFIDENCE. LITTLE GUYS CAN BOX OUT. We release a shot, and everyone is already running back before the ball rims off. I know our coach's scout. When what we timetried wasn't working, then time to run, run, run. Our "shooters" need to get some swagg, and while you are looking for your swagg, play some defense, box out, and go hard to the basket with confidence and control. All of this pass, pass, pass (passing up open shots) is not working. Not saying if you have california red oaks protecting the basket, to go right at them......how abou the mid
range?....with me following my shot, and my team boxing out, I see a more competitive air force basketball team. Being out sized is not an automatic Loss. I know some (not all) can get on the court and "improvise" without fear of losing their "precious few" minutes of tick. These players are: Mike L, Mike F, Todd F, and Yes, Taylor B......the rest coming off the bench, starting with KG, are under the gun to "make something happen", or back to the bench you go. My advice woul be "make something happen".....this is a what have you done lately bench. As for the 4 senior starters, 30 plus minutes, and the production of late (with the exception of Fitz) would get some of them benched on other teams. Just saying......if production is truly the measuring stick.......enough, glad I green slipped tonight, instead of making the trip to Fort Collins......not giving up on 'em....GET BETTER FALCONS!!!!!!!!WE WANT TO STORM THE COURT TOO!!!!!!>!! Xcuse typos please..late on the east coast
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Posted: 1/17/2013 7:27 AM

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I was there. It was big time UGLY! But at least I had a great pre-game meal before the slaughter. AAHEAVY your comments speaketh a multitude of many truths about last night's performance. "We didn't come to play tonight" a postgame quote from a Senior. Nuff said!
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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:29 AM

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I’ll bet LTC is working on his post, too. I guess we’ll see who finishes their highlights first.

OK, I’m done.

72 Eagle Driver

Not really, I will post something in the next “edit.”
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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:04 AM

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--- 72EagleDriver wrote:

I’ll bet LTC is working on his post, too. I guess we’ll see who finishes their highlights first.

OK, I’m done.

72 Eagle Driver

Not really, I will post something in the next “edit.”

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It was nice to see you and ltcpilot pre-game.

As for the game, noone saw that coming. Not even the CSU coaching staff. They have a lot of respect for Air Force and know they are a tough out. I was told by someone on the staff that after watching the AFA-UNLV tape they thought Air Force got hosed out of a win by the officials. Thats how good the Falcons are.

CSU played their best game of the year last night. And I'm not sure there is a D-1 team in the country that could have beaten them last night.

Air Force is way better than last year. Their offensive movement is so much quicker and sharper. I hope the team isnt discouraged after last night. They just ran into a buzz-saw.

Hope to see you again in February.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:18 AM

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Swoll,

Great to see you and meet your lovely bride. Fuzzy's is now on our list as the place to go when we come to Fort Fun for Falcon-Ram bssketball.

The Rams played a great game last night both on offense and defense. They cranked up the pressure on both ends of the floor and the Falcons wilted. Iverson could have scored 30+ if needed, becasue the Falcons had no answer on how to stop him. Eikmeier had a quite 17, but was solid all night. If the Rams can bring that kind of effort on Saturday, they'll get #24 against UNLV.

See you next month. We'll go to Colo Mtn Brewery pre-game, and we'll tee it up at Kings Deer when it gets a little warmer in the late Spring.

72 Eagle Driver
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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:41 AM

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Feels like 1 step forward and 2 back. 3 for 19 for 3pt seems pretty glaring but overall it seems we didn't have enough shots taken.

So much for the UNLV confidence boost. I hope they can get it together for BSU.

Gus
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Posted: 1/17/2013 10:35 AM

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Postgame: Air Force loses to Colorado State in a blowout

There are games you learn something from and then there are games that should be thrown into the garbage can....this is the second kind. Both of these two teams came into this game afte very tough on the road losses, both to nationally ranked teams. CSU rebounded at home while Air Force gave it their all but their all was not near enough: Final score CSU 79 - AF 40 (and the score did not even indicate how thoroughly the Rams dominated the Falcons.

First and foremost, kudos to CSU for playing a dominate game on both ends of the court. Their bigs, particularly Iverson, dominated the inside and the glass. The passing game of the CSU offense reminded me of other teams, the teams of the 2003-2004 NCAA Falcons and the 2006-2007 NIT-Semi Finals Falcons. CSU got it done on the offensive end with crisp passing, very little dribbling and then the superb low post play inside the lane. Exceptional also was the connection between Hornung and Iverson in playing off one another. On defense the Rams physically out played the Falcons. Air Force began the game with three backdoor cuts in our offense, two by Fitzgerald and one by Taylor Broekhuis. CSU's coach called a time out in which (my guess only) he told his guys to "get physical and stop the cutter". Never again did Air Force have success across the lane or finding the backdoor cut consistently. A very good game and plan by CSU.

I digress and talk about the MWC and the referees. The referees did not lose this game for Air Force, the Falcons did. But once again we see not just a home court advantage but obvious tilting of the scales for one team versus another. Just like UNLV playing at NM and the being a 20+ advantage in FT's for NM, we saw something similar last night with AF being called for 26 PF's and only going to the line for 3-4 FT's. Meanwhile CSU was called for only 14 PF's and was 17-23 on FT's. Yes, Air Force did foul in this game. But watching the game from the sidelines (and see my comment about CSU denying the cutter in the paragraph above) it was obvious that fouls were not called on the same on both ends of the court.

Back to Air Force and what did or did not happen last night. I could quote Coach Pilipovich or Coach Snell (game scout coach) from the post game and you would hear "We were not as physical as them". Coach P says the blame goes to him, I disagree. I could quote players in the post game or today's newspaper that said 'We were not as physical' and 'We did not get back up when they knocked us down'. My thoughts? Indeed we were beaten by a more hungry, more physical, more wanting team last night. Put it all on the coach if you want but the buck has to stop somewhere. In our two big losses (last night, after the Richmond game, after the loss in the second half of the Florida game) I have heard players and seniors say that they did not match the intensity or the physical play of the opponent. Enough of this, time for the players to say "we played our hardest and they played better and we lost" not make excuses of not matching the other team's intensity or physical play. Time to leave it on the floor not only physically but emotionally. Time for the team, the seniors, the leaders to show emotion on and off the floor and will their teammates to play better and give it their all. Body language says a lot and last night I did not see a lot of positive body language, especially in the second half.


Fast forward your DVR, hit delete on this game in your saved programs after learning what we can and get ready for Saturday's game. Air Force versus Boise State at 1400hrs MST at Clune Arena Saturday. BSU comes off a tough OT loos to NM last night at Boise. Note for Friends of Air Force Basketball members, there is a pregame social but it will not be in the Hall of Excellence, rather at the north end of the Falcon Ice Arena where they also have their half time gathering.

Results around the MWC:

Air Force 40 at CSU 79
#19 NM 79 at BSU 74
UNLV 82 at SDSU 75
Wyoming 36 at FSU 49



Air Force Falcons STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS

Mike Fitzgerald, F

24

2-3

0-0

0-0

0

1

1

0

0

2

1

4

DeLovell Earls, F

14

0-2

0-1

1-2

0

1

2

0

0

2

4

1

Taylor Broekhuis, C

13

1-3

0-2

0-0

0

1

1

0

0

0

1

2

Todd Fletcher, G

30

3-8

2-6

0-0

0

2

0

0

0

1

1

8

Michael Lyons, G

23

4-10

0-2

0-0

1

1

1

0

0

5

4

8

BENCH

MIN

FGM-A

3PM-A

FTM-A

OREB

REB

AST

STL

BLK

TO

PF

PTS

Kyle Green, G

13

1-3

1-2

0-0

0

1

1

0

0

1

2

3

Chase Kammerer, F

5

0-1

0-1

0-0

1

1

0

0

0

2

1

0

Marek Olesinski, F

16

3-5

0-2

0-0

0

2

1

0

0

2

5

6

Justin Hammonds, F

8

1-2

0-0

2-2

0

1

0

0

0

2

1

4

Kamryn Williams, F

17

1-3

0-0

0-0

1

2

2

1

0

2

4

2

Max Yon, G

16

0-3

0-1

0-0

0

1

1

1

1

0

0

0

Tre' Coggins, G

10

1-2

0-1

0-0

0

3

0

0

0

0

0

2

C Michael

9

0-1

0-1

0-0

0

2

0

0

0

0

2

0

Zach Moer, C

2

0-0

0-0

0-0

0

0

0

0

1

0

0

0

TOTALS

FGM-A

3PM-A

FTM-A

OREB

REB

AST

STL

BLK

TO

PF

PTS

17-46

3-19

3-4

3

19

10

2

2

19

26

40

37.0%

15.8%

75.0%

 

Colorado State Rams STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS

Pierce Hornung, F

27

6-8

0-0

0-0

4

9

3

0

0

2

0

12

Colton Iverson, F-C

25

6-8

0-0

3-4

2

7

1

0

0

2

2

15

Wes Eikmeier, G

24

5-9

3-6

4-4

0

1

4

2

0

2

3

17

Dorian Green, G

29

2-6

1-4

0-0

0

3

7

1

0

2

0

5

Greg Smith, F

28

3-7

0-1

2-7

4

8

3

0

1

3

2

8

BENCH

MIN

FGM-A

3PM-A

FTM-A

OREB

REB

AST

STL

BLK

TO

PF

PTS

Daniel Bejarano, G

13

3-5

2-4

0-0

0

2

1

1

0

1

2

8

Joe De Ciman, G

9

0-1

0-1

2-2

0

0

0

0

0

1

3

2

Jordan Mason, G

6

0-3

0-1

0-0

0

2

0

0

0

1

0

0

Josh Morgan, G

2

0-1

0-1

2-2

0

1

0

0

0

0

0

2

J Octeus

24

3-5

0-0

4-4

2

5

1

1

0

0

1

10

Gerson Santo, F

13

0-2

0-0

0-0

0

0

0

0

0

0

1

0

TOTALS

FGM-A

3PM-A

FTM-A

OREB

REB

AST

STL

BLK

TO

PF

PTS

28-55

6-18

17-23

12

38

20

5

1

14

14

79

50.9%

33.3%

73.9%







THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

GO FALCONS

Last edited 1/17/2013 10:42 AM by ltcpilot

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Posted: 1/17/2013 10:44 AM

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First, it was nice taking a road trip with LTC and AAF to Fort Fun. We met up at Fuzzy’s Taco Shop with Ram Nation poster Swoll Cracker and his lovely bride, and it was great talking basketball with LTC and AAF for 2.0 going up and 1.5 coming back.

As for the game . . . brutal. If it was a fight or a youth football game, they would have stopped it. To quote Cousin Eddie in the movie Vegas Vacation, “I haven't seen a beatin' like that since somebody stuck a banana in my pants and turned a monkey loose.”

The Falcons played a pretty solid 2 minutes 30 seconds to start the game, taking a 6-5 lead on three layups. Larry Eustachy called timeout at 17:36, got his team refocused on grabbing, blocking, pushing and generally making it hard for the Falcons to get through the lane while running their motion offense. The referee trio of Verne Harris, Rick Hartzell and Dan Chrisman let the Rams do it, swallowing their whistles when CSU was on defense, and the Falcons didn’t have an answer as they got pushed out of the paint.

The refs didn’t decide the game; CSU played great on both ends of the floor. They cranked up the pressure and the Falcons wilted. They had no answer for Iverson, who could have scored 30+ if it was needed.

But by the refs not calling anything in the paint against CSU, the Falcons chose to give up on their inside out attack for the next 10 minutes and went back to their old habit of settling for the three, taking 6 of their next 10 shots from the arc and making only one. In that stretch, CSU opened up a 26-13 lead, and that was the ball game.

So what do the Falcons need to do different Saturday? First, the Falcons have to get tougher, especially on offense. The referees’ calls last night were definitely skewed in favor to the 13-3 (now 14-3) Rams. In the first half, the Rams were in the bonus with 5:31 to go; AF at 1:43. Total fouls were 7 for the Rams, 10 for the Falcons. The Rams were 5 for 8 from the FT line, the Falcons 2 of 2. That slight first half advantage turned into a tidal wave in the second half. CSU was in the bonus at 14:43 and the double bonus at 12:14! The Falcons got the bonus at 5:07 to go when the score was a smooth 73-38 in favor of the Rams. Total fouls in the second period was 7 for CSU, 16 on the Falcons. The Rams were 12 of 15 from the line. The Falcons were 1 for 2, and those foul shots came at 16:46 remaining in the second half, when Iverson was whistled for a foul and a TV monitor review showed he had hit D. Earls I the face with an elbow.

Granted, the stats support that the Falcons got homered last night, but they weren’t tough enough to fight through it in the first half, they let it get to them, and it affected how they played the rest of the game. The way you get favorable calls is to take the ball to rim, and when you get there, you don’t get cute and alter your shot, but take it strong to the hole. If you get blocked, you get blocked, but you’ll probably get a call or two going your way if you keep banging it to the rim.

This sequence of road games with UNLV and CSU seems to be a repeat for the Florida-Richmond games. The Falcons play a great game against UNLV (a great half against Florida), and then they get boat raced at CSU and Richmond. Hopefully, the Falcons will come back with a solid effort against Boise State Saturday, like they did in against Nevada after the Richmond blowout.

72 Eagle Driver

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Posted: 1/17/2013 10:50 AM

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Good words 72Eagle........................

BEAT BOISE STATE

GO FALCONS

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Posted: 1/17/2013 11:07 AM

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One more thing . . .

Only 15 more games (guaranteed) for the Falcon seniors. It's a shame when they take the court and don't "bring it." The clock is running, and after last night, time is running out fast.

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Posted: 1/17/2013 12:23 PM

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And another thing, I was terribly disappointed with the play of our JUCOs and transfers. What gives?
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Posted: 1/17/2013 1:30 PM

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FF1,

Yup, the Falcons got exactly zero points from them!

72 Eagle Driver
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Posted: 1/17/2013 2:05 PM

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AAHEAVY wrote: There are plenty of guard heavy teams that make runs. If doubling the opponents bigs is not working, then DO SOMETHING ELSE. Okay, TB is not him self......but even when he is, he is not the type of player to back a defender down, dunk on them, and run back down the court looking ugly.....(dennis rodman referring to shaquille oneil).....we really need to have this guard heavy team find a way (unfortunately within the princeton), to make this work. THEY WILL HAVE TO SHOOT WITH CONFIDENCE. LITTLE GUYS CAN BOX OUT. We release a shot, and everyone is already running back before the ball rims off. I know our coach's scout. When what we timetried wasn't working, then time to run, run, run. Our "shooters" need to get some swagg, and while you are looking for your swagg, play some defense, box out, and go hard to the basket with confidence and control. All of this pass, pass, pass (passing up open shots) is not working. Not saying if you have california red oaks protecting the basket, to go right at them......how abou the mid
range?....with me following my shot, and my team boxing out, I see a more competitive air force basketball team. Being out sized is not an automatic Loss. I know some (not all) can get on the court and "improvise" without fear of losing their "precious few" minutes of tick. These players are: Mike L, Mike F, Todd F, and Yes, Taylor B......the rest coming off the bench, starting with KG, are under the gun to "make something happen", or back to the bench you go. My advice woul be "make something happen".....this is a what have you done lately bench. As for the 4 senior starters, 30 plus minutes, and the production of late (with the exception of Fitz) would get some of them benched on other teams. Just saying......if production is truly the measuring stick.......enough, glad I green slipped tonight, instead of making the trip to Fort Collins......not giving up on 'em....GET BETTER FALCONS!!!!!!!!WE WANT TO STORM THE COURT TOO!!!!!!>!! Xcuse typos please..late on the east coast

AAHeavy....not sure your connection with the AFBBall program but 'reading between the lines' I believe you have a good understanding of it.  I agree with a lot of what you are saying.  A point of note is that Coach P actually has given the players the go ahead to look for the shot (if it is a good shot) early in the clock.  A definate departure from the traditional Princeton.  And to be honest, unlike the previous administration (read coach), I don't see him pulling guys out just because they are missing shots...rather trying to get rest then experience back in unless someone is truely contributing time, defense and points.

Not sure if you comment on 'pass' was totally all about passing up shots or also the use of the pass.  My big concern is not how we are running the offense but how many times we are starting the offense.  Huh?  What do I mean?  Driving home last night 72Eagle, AAF and I discussed this.  I see time and time again that we begin to run the offensive set, maybe 10-15 seconds then it's not there so we stop, reset and then try to do it again.  The true value of a system such as the Princeton (or the motion offense we saw CSU work to perfection last night) is to let the motion do the work to get the defense switching until they are finally out of position and we can get a good look/shot either inside or outside.  We continually breakdown our offensive sets by either a) stopping and resetting versus just 'keep running the offense' (watch any video of the early teams running Princeton or our verstion of it to include anywhere between 2002-2007) and this allows the defense time to reposition and regroup or b) we breakdown and begin to dribble too much which again makes the defenders job easier. In either case, I think we often don't pass up a good shot as much as take a shot too early with a 'maybe ok shot' versus 'maybe one more pass and a good/excellent shot opportunity. 

Practices have emphasized and emphasized again the important of following shots and getting aggressive on the boards.  Coaches can coach but the players must play.  We all understand that.

Agree 100% on players, time and roles.   At some point, especially with the clock running out on the seniors, Coach P and Staff need to look at time and minutes for different players and I believe they are.  But even look at yesterday.  We ran into a buzzsaw but players other than the starters had their opportunity. What did we get from the bench?  Mereck (in a good game) 6pts, Justin 4pts, Kyle 3pts, Williams 2pts, Tre' 2pts in 96 minutes for players off the bench.  96 minutes of bench time, 5 players with double digit minutes off the bench (plus Justin's 4 pts in 8 min of playing time)....not the true points you need as a group and nothing that shows any consistentcy, but then the whole team was not consistent yesterday).  I have been saying this time and time again, we need not just minutes off the bench but consistent contribution in points from the bench. 

It's fun to discuss Falcons basketball, although after a loss it's a soul searching discussion for us 'Monday Morning Quarterbacks (or guards, or forwards, or centers)' looking at what went right/wrong after a loss like this. 

AAHeavy, glad to you have participating on the board and look forward to your point of view along with others who regularly particpate (all 3-4 of us) and hopefully those that are trying to follow the forum as their work and lives permit.  Several are posting more and that is great for the discussion on Falcon Basketball. 

So where to we go from here?  Big game Saturday vs BSU.  I expect a lot of Bronco fans will be at the game.  Unfortunately, I think it's a 3day weekend so what little cadet/Section 8 support we might get may be even less than normal.  Time will tell.

BEAT BOISE STATE

GO FALCONS

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Posted: 1/18/2013 1:11 PM

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I agree with the posts, except at 79-40 refs had nothing to do with the outcome - at all.  From my vantage point CSU earned their way to the foul line by driving to the basket.  A team that goes to the hoop will get to the line FAR more than a team that shot the 3. 

Lets face it - we laid an egg; we had a stinker;  we peaked at the 1st CSU timeout; CSU made an early adjustment and we didn't not respond.

LTC said it best, throw this tape in the trash and move on!
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