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Idiotic decision to keep Pimentel in Pittsburgh strikes again...

Posted: 08/13/2014 6:48 PM

Idiotic decision to keep Pimentel in Pittsburgh strikes again... 


.....turns a 5-4 game into a 804 game in less than an inning. He is not a major league pitcher, but since he's young, throws hard, and out of options we keep him up. Meanwhile, we have a guy - Mazzaro - in Indy who proved to be very competent last year.
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Posted: 08/14/2014 6:59 AM

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WWJDLion wrote: .....turns a 5-4 game into a 804 game in less than an inning. He is not a major league pitcher, but since he's young, throws hard, and out of options we keep him up. Meanwhile, we have a guy - Mazzaro - in Indy who proved to be very competent last year.
On the surface this seems to be true - but I think we all need to defer to Searage and Benedict.
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Posted: 08/14/2014 7:48 AM

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Yeah and has struggled in AAA for most of the year,sounds like a better choice....
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Posted: 08/14/2014 7:55 AM

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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/pit/bernie-pleskoff-pirates-pitcher-stolmy-pimentel-has-potential-if-he-can-harness-it?ymd=20140813&content_id=89441328&vkey=news_pit

He's on the ML roster for two reasons: no options left and a high upside as a future major league starter. You don't throw guys like that away so you can bring up a middle reliever who's had a grand total of one good season out of six in the majors. He's been used in short relief and long relief with inconsistent days off (2 days...12 days or somewhere in between). Keeping him on the roster for the duration of the season is simply the price we have to pay for the opportunity to have a good quality (and economical) starter in our future rotation. I like Mazzaro and I hope he gets called up in September, but he's a middle reliever and if you have a potential quality starter on one hand and a good middle reliever in the other, the choice should be obvious.
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Posted: 08/14/2014 8:56 AM

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bucco66 wrote: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/pit/bernie-pleskoff-pirates-pitcher-stolmy-pimentel-has-potential-if-he-can-harness-it?ymd=20140813&content_id=89441328&vkey=news_pit

He's on the ML roster for two reasons: no options left and a high upside as a future major league starter. You don't throw guys like that away so you can bring up a middle reliever who's had a grand total of one good season out of six in the majors. He's been used in short relief and long relief with inconsistent days off (2 days...12 days or somewhere in between). Keeping him on the roster for the duration of the season is simply the price we have to pay for the opportunity to have a good quality (and economical) starter in our future rotation. I like Mazzaro and I hope he gets called up in September, but he's a middle reliever and if you have a potential quality starter on one hand and a good middle reliever in the other, the choice should be obvious.
I think it is pretty hard to justify wasting a spot Pimentel.  If he was providing some value in his role as a reliever it would be different. If you are splitting hairs between two pitchers that have a similar role then you keep the one that has some future and upside so long as he can do the job. But he hasn't done the job. So now you've wasted a roster spot on a contending team for a guy that is still a long shot to ever help you. Stolmy may have some talent but he is still a long shot. He goes into next year and he still has to beat out several more accomplished pitchers to win a starting job. Even if he does win a job out of camp he will likely run into workload related issues that could limit him. And if by chance he does make the rotation and he does stick on the roster, he will have earned a year of service time for doing practically nothing. So the period of low pay but high productivity you get out of him is shortened by a whole season. I think the odds are way higher the Pirates never get any real value from Stolmy. I bet he eventually winds up a throwaway in a trade when the Pirates run into a roster crunch. Could be in the offseason or it could happen in spring training, but I just don't expect he will ever pan out for the Pirates.

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Posted: 08/14/2014 9:56 AM

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Good points, mj.

It looks like the Hanrahan trade ended up as a trade of Brock Holt for Mark Melancon.  Both teams got something out of it, just not as much as they were expecting.

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Posted: 08/14/2014 10:42 AM

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You can easily "waste" a spot with Pimentel, in about two weeks the rosters expand and the Pirates will have plenty of options out of the pen (and Pimentel hasn't been awful all season, he has had very good outings as well).  You don't get rid of a guy with his talent, especially when it is obvious the team plans to give him a shot to start next season.
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Posted: 08/14/2014 10:50 AM

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I'm not sure it's a Stomly Pimental problem as much as it's a problem of having 2 long men when only one is needed. As much as we heap praise on Huntington for his wizard like mastery of bullpen related issues this team doesn't need Jeanmar Gomez AND Stomly Pimental.
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Posted: 08/14/2014 10:53 AM

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fishmong wrote: I'm not sure it's a Stomly Pimental problem as much as it's a problem of having 2 long men when only one is needed. As much as we heap praise on Huntington for his wizard like mastery of bullpen related issues this team doesn't need Jeanmar Gomez AND Stomly Pimental.

I agree 100%.  I don't understand why they didn't use Pimentel as a one inning gas thrower from the get-go.  He throws up to 97/98 in short stints with a hard slider.  They could have always sent him to a Winter League for some innings and stretched him out next Spring.
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Posted: 08/14/2014 6:04 PM

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Getting Brock Holt makes it a huge win for the Sox.  Imagine if the Bucs had Holt right now and how much he would be helping out.
gr1111 wrote: Good points, mj.

It looks like the Hanrahan trade ended up as a trade of Brock Holt for Mark Melancon.  Both teams got something out of it, just not as much as they were expecting.
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Posted: 08/14/2014 6:47 PM

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Worley had a 4-1 lead and couldn't hold it, leaving the game trailing 5-4. The Bucs trailed 5-4 when Pimentel entered. They lost 8-4. 

Facts. They suck sometimes.

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Posted: 08/14/2014 7:36 PM

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Holt has had a very good year no question about it. The Sox won the throw in portion of the trade, but the Pirates won the main pieces. Where would the Pirates be the past 2 years without Melancon? I think every team should give us their best players and we should give scrubs.


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Getting Brock Holt makes it a huge win for the Sox.  Imagine if the Bucs had Holt right now and how much he would be helping out.
gr1111 wrote: Good points, mj.

It looks like the Hanrahan trade ended up as a trade of Brock Holt for Mark Melancon.  Both teams got something out of it, just not as much as they were expecting.


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Posted: 08/15/2014 5:21 AM

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abitoutside wrote: Holt has had a very good year no question about it. The Sox won the throw in portion of the trade, but the Pirates won the main pieces. Where would the Pirates be the past 2 years without Melancon? I think every team should give us their best players and we should give scrubs.


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--- pghkev wrote:

Getting Brock Holt makes it a huge win for the Sox.  Imagine if the Bucs had Holt right now and how much he would be helping out.
gr1111 wrote: Good points, mj.

It looks like the Hanrahan trade ended up as a trade of Brock Holt for Mark Melancon.  Both teams got something out of it, just not as much as they were expecting.


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IF you go back the trade centered around Sands and as some say Pimentel. Melancon and DeJesus were the throw in's. Melancon has been fantastic for the Pirates, but has been the only player that has worked out so far.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 6:57 AM

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vinnybravo wrote:
abitoutside wrote: Holt has had a very good year no question about it. The Sox won the throw in portion of the trade, but the Pirates won the main pieces. Where would the Pirates be the past 2 years without Melancon? I think every team should give us their best players and we should give scrubs.


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--- pghkev wrote:

Getting Brock Holt makes it a huge win for the Sox.  Imagine if the Bucs had Holt right now and how much he would be helping out.
gr1111 wrote: Good points, mj.

It looks like the Hanrahan trade ended up as a trade of Brock Holt for Mark Melancon.  Both teams got something out of it, just not as much as they were expecting.


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IF you go back the trade centered around Sands and as some say Pimentel. Melancon and DeJesus were the throw in's. Melancon has been fantastic for the Pirates, but has been the only player that has worked out so far.
Melancon was not the throw-in.  He was the main piece.  He had one bad year and the Pirates management felt they could return him to his former self based on his peripherals.  In fact, I think Pimentel was probably even more highly regarded in that trade than Sands.
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