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Trading Deadline

Posted: 07/24/2014 7:59 AM

Trading Deadline 


One week til the deadline and the pirates are 2.5 games out of first.  Their offense is much improved from last year while their pitching has struggled.  What do you think they should do before next week?  Who should they target? 

I'm thinking they definitely need a reliever.  This time of year, truly good teams always build up their bullpen for the playoffs and that's what the Bucs need to do IMO.  I don't trust Frieri and want them to get another power arm, someone who can close if Melancon falters (like he did last year).

Best case scenario, I'd go for Papelbon, with the only big drawback being a big contract for 2015 (15 mil I think).  I'd also consider LaTroy Hawkins who's with Colorado and Joaquin Benoit from San Diego. 

Who would you go after if you were Neil?
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Posted: 07/24/2014 8:24 AM

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No to Hawkins.

Benoit is a possibility.

I would say no to Papelbon, as I think we need a good starter far more than we need another closer.  I wouldn't want to sink all our available resources on a closer.

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Posted: 07/24/2014 8:53 AM

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Why no Hawkins?
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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:09 AM

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I would try to nab Cliff Lee for peanuts with Philly footing most of his bill and pray he's just a little rusty and not still injured. Huge, stupid longshot, but no harm in asking.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:10 AM

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The Bucs already have Melancon and Watson for the back half of the bullpen. What they need is another set-up pitcher. No need to overpay for another RP. Bring up Mazzaro or get one for cheap. I understand our old friend Oliver Perez can be had and he's a good set-up pitcher. As for what is needed I would go with getting A.J. Burnett back or picking up Kennedy from the Padres. Those are the ones that may cost the most, they're NOT getting Price because they won't pay for him. That's a ruse they use every year to make it look like they will spend. What I really think will happen is a pickup of some average pitcher and they'll say we tried for the better ones but couldn't make a deal.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:18 AM

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gr1111 wrote: No to Hawkins.

Benoit is a possibility.

I would say no to Papelbon, as I think we need a good starter far more than we need another closer.  I wouldn't want to sink all our available resources on a closer.
I think you are right. Melancon may not be the best closer in the game, but he is doing good enough for now. I think you will see the Pirates target a LH reliever and a back end pitcher that has an expiring contact.

I also think they may trade for a IF bench bat, but that would be all I can see them doing. I still think they have to address the 1B position with a player that can hit 4th. The Pirates are getting the least production out of the 4 hole of any team in the NL outside of SD. You are also talking about a 1B position that is 23 or worse in just about every offensive category in baseball and based on the Pirates lineup that position is hitting 4th or 5th just about every night.

In the 5 game series vs St Louis the Pirates scored 1 run in 3 of the 5 games. The Pirates HAVE to find a 1B that can drive in runs if they want to win in the playoffs. I do agree they need to get one more good starter, but they need to address the 1B position or find a 3B that can hit with runners on base if they want to be a serious player come October.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:28 AM

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Lucci33 wrote: Why no Hawkins?


Just my personal lack of preference.  He's 41 and subject to blow-ups where he has a terrible inning.  Maybe I've just seen too many of them.

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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:29 AM

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mbark74 wrote: The Bucs already have Melancon and Watson for the back half of the bullpen. What they need is another set-up pitcher. No need to overpay for another RP. Bring up Mazzaro or get one for cheap. I understand our old friend Oliver Perez can be had and he's a good set-up pitcher. As for what is needed I would go with getting A.J. Burnett back or picking up Kennedy from the Padres. Those are the ones that may cost the most, they're NOT getting Price because they won't pay for him. That's a ruse they use every year to make it look like they will spend. What I really think will happen is a pickup of some average pitcher and they'll say we tried for the better ones but couldn't make a deal.

You can never have enough good relievers.

Unfortunately, the price right now is absurd. The Tigers paid a ton for Soria.

The notion that they won't get Price because they won't pay the money is unfounded. I think they won't get Price because the prospect cost will be way too high (especially considering the Samardzjia/Hammel trade).

Sounds like the Padres don't want to move Kennedy, so that one's out. I wouldn't touch Burnett. I think he's a marginal (at best) upgrade this year and probably not worth much next year.

My prediction: no trades before the deadline unless they can get a lefty reliever cheap (Ollie Perez or Bastardo). Maybe something in August (but nothing major).

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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:43 AM

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I doubt we see the Pirates make any trades until the end of August.  That way they pay less money and lesser prospects for a guy they can use in the playoffs and the last 30 games or so.  Just like Morneau, Bird, and Buck last year.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:48 AM

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Whether we make any trades or not may depend on the internal assessments of Cole.

In saying that, I don't even know how it would go.  If they think Cole will soon be back at full strength and effectiveness, do they do nothing because they think they already have everything they need, or do they add on to strength it (i.e., go for it)?

Likewise, if they doubt that Cole will be back strong, do they throw in the towel (or at least do nothing else to strengthen the team), or do they make a move for a starter to replace him?

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Posted: 07/24/2014 12:57 PM

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gr1111 wrote: Whether we make any trades or not may depend on the internal assessments of Cole.

In saying that, I don't even know how it would go.  If they think Cole will soon be back at full strength and effectiveness, do they do nothing because they think they already have everything they need, or do they add on to strength it (i.e., go for it)?

Likewise, if they doubt that Cole will be back strong, do they throw in the towel (or at least do nothing else to strengthen the team), or do they make a move for a starter to replace him?

I'm beginning to wonder how seriously Cole is hurt, and whether he is going to be viable over the long term.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 1:09 PM

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Cole is close to returning, threw a simulated game yesterday I believe and threw 70 pitches. It went better than the Pirates expected. He's close.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 1:11 PM

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cferrel3 wrote: Cole is close to returning, threw a simulated game yesterday I believe and threw 70 pitches. It went better than the Pirates expected. He's close.

Let's hope so.  I wonder why they seem unwilling to send him to the minors for any rehab starts?
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Posted: 07/24/2014 1:21 PM

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Acquire a quality reliever, preferably some one capable of eating up multiple innings and even spot-starting if needed.  Who?  I have no idea.

Acquire a quality 1B, but I don't know if any are out there or, any worth trading for, meaning some one who is realistically attainable that won't cost a ton.  I'd ask about...
  • Mike Napoli - Napoli would be awesome but has a big salary and would require parting with some talent.  I'd inquire about him but wouldn't trade too much for him.
  • Anthony Rizzo - I can't see the Cubs parting with him (especially in the NL Central) but it doesn't hurt to ask.  He's young, under control for a long time, and is a beast. I'd trade a lot for him.  
  • Chris Davis - A reclamation project like Ike except he has WAY more upside, hitting 53 HRs last year.  Batting a whopping .202 this year.
  • Paul Goldschmidt - Like Rizzo, I can't imagine him being traded but he's a young star.  
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Posted: 07/24/2014 1:49 PM

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No one. I can't see anyone that we would be willing to pay be anything better than what is on the roster or in AAA.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 6:04 PM

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Cole refused to go on a rehab assignment the last time.

It is his right to refuse under the CBA, and remember who his agent is.

And simulated games mean nothing.

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Let's hope so.  I wonder why they seem unwilling to send him to the minors for any rehab starts?

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Posted: 07/24/2014 7:45 PM

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How about that Bryan Morris of the Marlins? He's pitching very well...maybe we can offer them Connor Joe for him??
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Posted: 07/24/2014 9:49 PM

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He stated that he is going to take a rehab start or starts this time around. The kid is a hard ass, but I think he realized that coming back before he was completely right was a mistake.

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Cole refused to go on a rehab assignment the last time.

It is his right to refuse under the CBA, and remember who his agent is.

And simulated games mean nothing.

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Let's hope so.  I wonder why they seem unwilling to send him to the minors for any rehab starts?

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Posted: 07/25/2014 6:12 AM

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williamjpellas wrote:
cferrel3 wrote: Cole is close to returning, threw a simulated game yesterday I believe and threw 70 pitches. It went better than the Pirates expected. He's close.

Let's hope so.  I wonder why they seem unwilling to send him to the minors for any rehab starts?
I said before the break that Cole was going to be out longer then they said. I was told he would not be back until August and maybe longer. I am starting to think that the rumor I heard was not a rumor. If Cole is out for any length of time or is not 100%, the Pirates not only need to get a starter, they need to get a very good starter if they want to play in October.
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Posted: 07/25/2014 6:20 AM

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abitoutside wrote: He stated that he is going to take a rehab start or starts this time around. The kid is a hard ass, but I think he realized that coming back before he was completely right was a mistake.

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Cole refused to go on a rehab assignment the last time.

It is his right to refuse under the CBA, and remember who his agent is.

And simulated games mean nothing.

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Let's hope so.  I wonder why they seem unwilling to send him to the minors for any rehab starts?

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That is good news.

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