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Posted: 07/22/2014 7:03 AM

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Posted: 07/22/2014 7:09 AM

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Posted: 07/22/2014 7:14 AM

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Although I would prefer to keep Marte, Chris Taylor is intriguing.  He can definitely hit and last season he scored over 100 runs and drew almost 90 walks.  He's not quite into Robbie Grossman territory (biggrin)but he could definitely be a nice middle infield bat.  That would allow either Walker or Harrison to move to 3rd full time and you could possibly flip Pedro for a corner outfielder or move him to 1st to platoon with Gaby.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 7:29 AM

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GhostOfPBG wrote: Although I would prefer to keep Marte, Chris Taylor is intriguing.  He can definitely hit and last season he scored over 100 runs and drew almost 90 walks.  He's not quite into Robbie Grossman territory (biggrin)but he could definitely be a nice middle infield bat.  That would allow either Walker or Harrison to move to 3rd full time and you could possibly flip Pedro for a corner outfielder or move him to 1st to platoon with Gaby.

This is definitely a workable scenario.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 7:37 AM

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If Marte is traded does Tabata come back until Bell is ready?  I'd like to think the Pirates might reacquire Byrd but there is no way they pick up that contract.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 7:38 AM

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I would be absolutely shocked if the Pirates traded Marte. Absolutely stunned.

I don't know how I would feel about that to be honest.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 7:41 AM

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Marte for Tijuan Walker would seem to make sense for both clubs.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 7:44 AM

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panthers2533 wrote: I would be absolutely shocked if the Pirates traded Marte. Absolutely stunned.

I don't know how I would feel about that to be honest.


I would not be.  While Marte is unquestionably one of the more physically gifted players in the game, he is a strikeout machine who doesn't appear to be getting much more disciplined at the plate.  You can live with a guy like that---particularly when he brings the kind of speed and defense to the game that Marte does---but some guys are ballplayers and others are "athletes playing baseball" if you get my distinction.  In other words, I don't think Marte is ever going to be the kind of ballplayer who really masters the more advanced and/or subtle aspects of the game that can help a player take his production to the next level. 

 

 

The other issue, to me, is how the team is constructed at the moment.  There is a huge hole at first base and there are too many high strikeout hitters in the lineup.  It could be that getting a middle infielder who is a more disciplined hitter might be a precursor to moving Neil Walker back to third (his best position IMO) and trading Alvarez.  That would be an interesting team, though making significant moves like that does carry some risk.  Personally I would be more inclined to trade Alvarez and hold onto Marte, but trading both of them does make for an intriguing scenario.  Just thinking out loud here, that's all. 

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Posted: 07/22/2014 2:44 PM

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The Mariners were interested in him this offseason, but they were offering up Nick Franklin from what I remember.  That ain't gonna do it.  If it's Walker and Taylor or Franklin I would have to listen if I were the Bucs.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 4:39 PM

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If Marte were available EVERY team would be interested. It would take a huge haul to pry him away from the Pirates.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 5:35 PM

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If the Pirates are big enough believers in Josh Harrison, it kinda makes sense to trade Marte. With Lambo and Mel Rojas at AAA, Josh Bell in AA, and Austin Meadows behind him the Pirates are very deep in OF prospects. If the Pirates can get a prospect like Nick Franklin and another piece you have to listen and seriously consider it at the very least.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 8:35 PM

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Even with Harrison having what looks like could be a career year, Marte has been just as valuable.  Even with Marte underperforming at the plate, he is elite defensively.  If I'm not getting Walker, Franklin, plus some I'm not even considering it, especially with the contract Marte signed in the offseason.

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Posted: 07/23/2014 10:32 AM

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fishmong wrote: If the Pirates are big enough believers in Josh Harrison, it kinda makes sense to trade Marte. With Lambo and Mel Rojas at AAA, Josh Bell in AA, and Austin Meadows behind him the Pirates are very deep in OF prospects. If the Pirates can get a prospect like Nick Franklin and another piece you have to listen and seriously consider it at the very least.
I think there is a decent chance Marte gets traded.  Apparently the Red Sox are interested as well.  My guess is that Marte may be kicking back Tabata style after signing his long term deal.  I think they were hoping for a McCutchen like effort at getting better at his craft.  Polanco seems like he may be more like Cutch than Tabata in this area - but I guess its too soon to call.
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Posted: 07/23/2014 10:43 AM

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Sangue wrote:
fishmong wrote: If the Pirates are big enough believers in Josh Harrison, it kinda makes sense to trade Marte. With Lambo and Mel Rojas at AAA, Josh Bell in AA, and Austin Meadows behind him the Pirates are very deep in OF prospects. If the Pirates can get a prospect like Nick Franklin and another piece you have to listen and seriously consider it at the very least.
I think there is a decent chance Marte gets traded.  Apparently the Red Sox are interested as well.  My guess is that Marte may be kicking back Tabata style after signing his long term deal.  I think they were hoping for a McCutchen like effort at getting better at his craft.  Polanco seems like he may be more like Cutch than Tabata in this area - but I guess its too soon to call.


It may be too soon, and in any event it is difficult from our perspective, as we can't really know how hard he works, what's in his heart, etc.  Those on the team (including the coaches and manager) would be better able to make those types of judgments.

But you have to listen to any offers.  He's not irreplaceable, and if someone offers something else we need, consider it.

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Posted: 07/23/2014 11:01 AM

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The reason other teams are interested in Marte is because he's a really good player.  Even in a year where he took a step back this season he's probably going to end up being a 4.0 WAR player.

If I'm the Pirates I would entertain the idea of trading him because as good as he is, he's more valuable to other teams than he is to the Pirates because McCutchen already plays CF.

Boston has been in desperate need for a CF'er and I'm sure that's why they have targeted Marte.  I don't see a deal like this happening until the offseason.  I could see a mega trade happening between these two teams where not only Marte goes to Boston but also Pedro Avlarez.  The return for that kind of deal would be absolutely massive.  Boston would need to be willing to part with Bogaerts, Swihart, Cecchini and Betts in my mind to make that type of deal.

A deal like that would allow Walker to move to third base.  Pushing Betts to his best position of second base.  Something that can never happen for him in Boston while Pedroia is there.  Bogaerts becomes the full time shortstop for the Pirates and Swihart has the potential to be an impact catcher that can play next year.  I think he would be expendable because I think Boston ends up signing Russell Martin this offseason to a 4 year, 50 million dollar deal and I don't think the Pirates would approach that term.

With the new approach Alvarez has developed at the plate I think he would be an MVP candidate playing in Boston with the green monster.  Just the sheer number of long outs he's made this season going opposite field would probably be bounced off the monster.  Just doing some quick looks at spray charts it's not hard to imagine Alvarez with 20 extra hits of either the single or double variety off the monster.  If you factor that into his stats he's suddenly a .300 hitter.  Plus Napoli and Ortiz are getting up there in age so there will certainly be an opening at the DH or 1B positions in the relatively near future.
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Posted: 07/23/2014 11:01 AM

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If the Red Sox are interested in Marte, I'd try to work a Napoli trade.  He'd be a legitimate cleanup hitter to put behind Cutch and he'd solve our problem at 1B.  Throw Lambo in RF and slide Polanco over to LF.
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Posted: 07/23/2014 6:33 PM

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GhostOfPBG wrote: If the Red Sox are interested in Marte, I'd try to work a Napoli trade.  He'd be a legitimate cleanup hitter to put behind Cutch and he'd solve our problem at 1B.  Throw Lambo in RF and slide Polanco over to LF.
ok so u solve ur problem for 1.5 years then what,that would be a bad trade because boston would only trade him for salary dump otherwise i think they would keep napoli
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Posted: 07/23/2014 7:10 PM

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gr1111 wrote:
Sangue wrote:
fishmong wrote: If the Pirates are big enough believers in Josh Harrison, it kinda makes sense to trade Marte. With Lambo and Mel Rojas at AAA, Josh Bell in AA, and Austin Meadows behind him the Pirates are very deep in OF prospects. If the Pirates can get a prospect like Nick Franklin and another piece you have to listen and seriously consider it at the very least.
I think there is a decent chance Marte gets traded.  Apparently the Red Sox are interested as well.  My guess is that Marte may be kicking back Tabata style after signing his long term deal.  I think they were hoping for a McCutchen like effort at getting better at his craft.  Polanco seems like he may be more like Cutch than Tabata in this area - but I guess its too soon to call.


It may be too soon, and in any event it is difficult from our perspective, as we can't really know how hard he works, what's in his heart, etc.  Those on the team (including the coaches and manager) would be better able to make those types of judgments.

But you have to listen to any offers.  He's not irreplaceable, and if someone offers something else we need, consider it.
No, I'm pretty sure he's kicking back Tabata style...

Apparently "Tabata style" is a kick boxing style, so you can take that comment as positive or negative.

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Posted: 07/24/2014 5:32 AM

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chu8870 wrote:
GhostOfPBG wrote: If the Red Sox are interested in Marte, I'd try to work a Napoli trade.  He'd be a legitimate cleanup hitter to put behind Cutch and he'd solve our problem at 1B.  Throw Lambo in RF and slide Polanco over to LF.
ok so u solve ur problem for 1.5 years then what,that would be a bad trade because boston would only trade him for salary dump otherwise i think they would keep napoli
Hopefully by then Josh Bell is ready and can be moved to 1B.  I'm not worried about 1.5 years down the road though.  I'm worried about right now.  Marte has been bad this year and Napoli is a stud.  Our team instantly gets much better in my opinion and is in the thick of the playoff hunt. 

And I don't necessarily mean a straight 1 for 1 swap.  Those would just be the two centerpieces.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 6:26 AM

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I disagree that Marte has been bad. He's been disappointing, and can't stay on the field for various issues. Those issues and the time missed are surely contributing to his season. I also disagree that Napoli is a stud. He's a good player. I agree that this season Napoli would upgrade the team...slightly. Moving forward I would take Marte all day, everyday, twice on Sunday and I'd bet a years salary that he provides way more overall value to a ball club than Napoli.
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