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The Bucs have a SS

  • mbark74
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Posted: 07/20/2014 11:44 AM

The Bucs have a SS 


I see people posting for a trade for a SS in different threads. They want Castro or anyone else who may be available. I can understand if you want the best in the game if they can be had at a reasonable price. But the Bucs have a SS now who has made the position his own. Yes the time spot is not very long but the others had to start somewhere. Mercer is a very good fielder and is hitting now. He is also driving in runs. what else does he need to do? At this moment lets give him the time and maybe the Bucs will end up having one of the best in the game without paying through the nose.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 12:41 PM

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I agree, ever since his brutal slump at the plate to start the season Mercer has been fantastic.  Shortstop is not a weakness with the Pirates, Mercer is one of the better ones in the league over the last two months.  And I think he has greatly surpassed many on here's (but not mine) expectations defensively.  He has been very good on defense.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 1:39 PM

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He's hit better recently, which is good. I think we need pitching far more than anything else, so I wouldn't use any resources to replace hit now. But long term, he has to hit a lot to make up for his mediocre defense. So I would say he's fine for now, but the jury is still out long term.


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I see people posting for a trade for a SS in different threads. They want Castro or anyone else who may be available. I can understand if you want the best in the game if they can be had at a reasonable price. But the Bucs have a SS now who has made the position his own. Yes the time spot is not very long but the others had to start somewhere. Mercer is a very good fielder and is hitting now. He is also driving in runs. what else does he need to do? At this moment lets give him the time and maybe the Bucs will end up having one of the best in the game without paying through the nose.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 1:42 PM

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I dont see him as a long term option. He has been pretty good right recently though. He kills lhp. I think he is a better sub bench guy



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Posted: 07/20/2014 2:14 PM

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I admit I have been and am a big Mercer fan. He did get off to a horrid start this season, but it was the first time he broke camp with the ML team. He may not have been ready mentally to be the everyday starter at SS. Again, this is his first full season. I think now that he has settled in and is getting more comfortable, I think you are seeing what he will be offensively.  He will never be one of the top SS in the league, but I do see him being one of the better ones.

I do not have an issue with Mercers defense. He has a strong arm and is pretty accurate. I think as he realizes his limitations and the speed of the game he will settle in and be good for a long time.

Unless the Pirates can get a Tulo type SS, then I would think that Mercer will be the SS for quite a few years. The only way I see him moved is to 3B. If Pedro is moved to 1B to be part of a platoon with Gaby or even traded, I could see Mercer moved to 3B if there is no other option.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:43 PM

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it looks like the pirates are going to get rid of hanson or do something with him,benched 3 nights in a row for not hustling
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Posted: 07/20/2014 5:25 PM

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I'd definitely move Hanson. It doesn't seem like he's a legit SS, and now he appears to have some serious maturity issues. He can hit a little and has good speed. He's likely to be an ML player, but I doubt he's an impact player. He's no Dilson Herrara that's for sure, (.900 OPS as a 20 year old in AA' that's Machadoish)...whoops
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Posted: 07/20/2014 6:26 PM

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some people were saying hanson is trying to force a trade from the pirates,if thats true then he's better being moved
BAMSTEELERFAN wrote: I'd definitely move Hanson. It doesn't seem like he's a legit SS, and now he appears to have some serious maturity issues. He can hit a little and has good speed. He's likely to be an ML player, but I doubt he's an impact player. He's no Dilson Herrara that's for sure, (.900 OPS as a 20 year old in AA' that's Machadoish)...whoops
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Posted: 07/20/2014 7:03 PM

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Word is he didn't run out an infield pop-up.

Good. Teach them to play the game the right way.


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it looks like the pirates are going to get rid of hanson or do something with him,benched 3 nights in a row for not hustling

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Posted: 07/20/2014 9:25 PM

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3 games in a row is no excuse,the kid has no discipline 
gr1111 wrote: Word is he didn't run out an infield pop-up.

Good. Teach them to play the game the right way.


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it looks like the pirates are going to get rid of hanson or do something with him,benched 3 nights in a row for not hustling

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Posted: 07/21/2014 10:03 AM

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I like the Pirates benching a guy to teach him a lesson.  We have to remember he is one of the youngest players in the entire Eastern League.  He has plenty of time to "figure it out".  I think this will only be good for his future, whether it is with the Pirates or not.  I still think he is going to be a very good middle infielder in the Majors.  I've said it before, middle infielders with his speed and pop combination don't grow on trees.  In hindsight, Herrera was obviously far too much to give up for Byrd.  And although I thought he was way to much to give up at the time, I understood the trade because after Marte's injury we absolutely had to acquire an outfielder.

With the emergence of Jacoby Jones, I think the Pirates should center a package around Hanson and go for Ian Kennedy.  I posted that in another thread.  I think a package of Hanson and Sampson, plus one more piece would be the best offer the Padres would get. 


Back on the Mercer topic.  I don't want to beat a dead horse.  So I'll just say one more time the Pirates absolutely have a starting shortstop locked up now.  He has not only been above average defensively this season, but since late May has been one of the better offensive shortstops in the Majors.  While I admitted I wasn't sold on him while he was slumping, I now think that slump was the outlier.  Last season and the last 2 months are what Jordy Mercer is (Bob Walk made this point yesterday), and that is an above average offensive shortstop.  The guy can hit a little, and field his position pretty well.
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Posted: 07/21/2014 10:31 AM

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It is really amazing that you could say that about almost every position. No one showed up in April this year. The Pirates are one of the top teams since May 1. Mercer started slow and is not hitting. This type of hitting wont continue, but he is easily a 260-290 guy with a little pop, and is an average to slightly above average in the field. I'll take that any day of the week from a number 7-8 hitter at SS.
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Posted: 07/21/2014 5:02 PM

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If Hanson really is "trying to force a trade" while he is still in Double-A, he is not just a jerk, he is delusional.  Let me be clear: I do not know that he is doing this for a fact.  I am merely responding to the possibility that he is, as mentioned upthread.  If so, however, then by all means, send him on his way.  Let him be somebody else's clubhouse cancer, though of course the Pirates would have to do it in a way that wouldn't openly send the message that this is how you get out of the organization any time things don't go your way.  In other words I'd look to package him over the offseason.  But oh yes, I'd definitely get rid of him if he was pulling something like that.  Hopefully this is just hearsay, but....
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Posted: 07/21/2014 5:17 PM

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Re: Mercer, I am still not sold on him as an everyday regular.  I still believe he would be better as a multiposition infield utilityguy, albeit one who could approach a regular's total of at-bats because he can play so many positions.  I could see him getting 300 to 350 AB's, easy.  But being The Man at shortstop for 140 or 150 games?  I don't think so, but if he can keep it up, we can at least put off the decision on whether to replace / upgrade until the offseason.
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